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[Johnsen1972]

You surely never played with a Javelin or Widow X on Gold. Did you even play on gold?

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 21 mai 2012 - 06:36 .

[Fujiky]

Javelin at level 1 does about 35 less damage than a widow x. So don't let people tell you it sucks. Shield gate can pose a problem, but the classes that make the best use out of snipers either have Energy Drain or Overload.

[Cornughon]

Javelin is great with certain classes/characters. I prefer my Javelin VI over my Black Widow II. And for those complaining about ammo capacity, use the ammo mod, it already has 1 meter piercing at 100%, and the accuracy mod is useless on the Javelin since it will remove the unique 'sniper vision'.

[Siliboy]

A GI specc'd for damage, HM and Networked AI adds 57.5% damage, can do up to 1.6k+ damage with a Javelin I (a base damage of 1030.5), no cloak, mod, ammo equips. That is more or less (a rough idea) a cloaked shot from a BW. Enemy stat on gold.

So when using mods and equips, you're adding (from base damage of Jav) around 250 damage with a Barrel mod V, 300 damage from Sniper Rifle amp III, 300/350 with a AP/Warp ammo III. Do the math, or maybe I will, around 2.4k+ damage for the GI (at least 800+ added). Now you can strip shields or kill most targets, with an uncloaked body shot.

A cloaked shot (90% damage, and 40% sniper rifle damage) will roughly do 3.8k damage. Single or lined up targets. Non-Geth Infi's has roughly 400 less damage, it isn't that much. I don't know headshot modifier works, but I'm thinking that you multiply the actual damage, with all the other modifiers.Of course there are wasted damage.

This is all good, if you can hit the target. For Infi's, weight doesn't matter, as cloak has a minimum CD of around 3 secs. Also, it staggers Banshees, don't know the exact conditions as to how though. I know, cause I was doing some gold solo runs before, and it staggered her quite a number of times.

Outside of Infi's, well I don't think this is a first choice gun for them, there are other reasonable options. Although it can still do around 2k damage, with passive weapon buff, mod, ammos, and SR amps.

It is a Sniper Rifle, which is meant for medium to long range distance shooting.

Those who don't like Jav, either have bad aim because of the 0.25 sec delay, or hate the scope, or just love Valiant/BW/Claymore/GPS/Grall/Paladin/Carnifex.

All math done are with a Javelin I

tl;dr - if you didn't read and still think Jav is useless, learn2read

Now, I'm not saying Jav is better than Valiant/BW/Claymore or any other weapon you might want/love, but it is certainly not useless. Although it shines more on the hands of Infi's. Valiant/BW/Claymore/GPS/Grall/Paladin/Carnifex are more of an all-purpose gun, any class can effectively use it.

[TheKillerAngel]

If you have a Geth infiltrator you should try the Wallhacker build with this weapon. You can basically stand and shoot through any walls or floors with TC and still kill stuff.

[Johnsen1972]

Air Quotes wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

You surely never played with a Javelin or Widow X on Gold. Did you even play on gold?

I play only Gold. And Silver for warm-up. And I will outscore Widow-Javelin users on Gold with BW or Valiant. And with a Salarian Infiltrator I will outscore them 2x. 

One shot rifles <<<<<<<<<<<<< multishot rifles

Nobody told you about reload canceling yet? 
Twice as much, lol yeah sure.... cool story bro. 

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 21 mai 2012 - 07:35 .

[Zorinho20_CRO]

I have Javelin IV,BW VI and Valiant II and must say a was a lousy sniper with Javelin,something better with BW  and with Valiant I´m force on the battlefield.In fact until I got Valiant,I avoided to play w SR,only with shotguns(as Infiltrator).
Javelin is very powerfull,can shot through walls,but is heavy as hell and slow to shoot (probably just me,but ).
Valiant's quick reload is so good and I adore that gun.

[Johnsen1972]

 

Air Quotes wrote...

It's not a cool story. It's just a fact. With Widow and Javelin you are REQUIRED to use powers before a shot on Gold for them to be effective. Without powers you will need 2 shots to take out that Centurion, so shot, reload cancel, aquire target, shot - 3 seconds. With BW - shot, shot - dead. 1.5 seconds or faster. 

 

Rofl, you have REALLY NO CLUE. I use BW on my Other Infiltrator but Im not bragging with invented stories because you havent tried out the Javelin yet.

Maybe Im a bit better with BW on Cerberus then a Javelin User, but on Geth and Reapers, with all the amored dudes, I get beaten by Infiltrators with Javelin regularly.

Please stop telling invented stories if you havent tried it out yet. If you dont have a clue about reload canceling just do a search in this forum.

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 21 mai 2012 - 07:46 .

[Immortal Strife]

I believe sniper superiority is in the mind of the user and cannot be determined by score or damage output. It comes down to preference in the end, and any rhetoric about having a skill based competition to determine the best sniper makes little sense. Just because I crush everyone scores with a Javelin does not mean the Black Widow or Valiant are not great too. Some players will gravitate towards multishot snipers over singles shot snipers-it's just preference.

Please don't bring up shield gate as the determining factor is sniper dominance, Bioware has balanced the two fairly well; multi shot snipers can drop shielded mooks faster and single shot can drop bosses faster the difference evens out in the end-sheer speed vs brute strength, different but equal.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 21 mai 2012 - 08:07 .

[Luke Pearce]

Pretty sure I can body-shot a rocket trooper on Silver with my Javelin IV (on a Geth Infiltrator spec'd for maximum damage bonus per shot)

Hopefully I'll also be able to one-shot a Ravager on Silver (if shot through the eye or wherever the weak-spot is for them)

- I haven't tested yet though (I took down a rocket trooper from full shields+health to one bar of health but that was before I got the 10% damage boost from Hunter mode...so hopefully a cloaked body-shot with a Javelin IV with Hunter mode on will kill a Geth rocket trooper)

-I could take down all but 2 bars on a Ravager with my Javelin III so the Javelin IV should either kill it or take it down to one-bar of armour. Again I need to test it...

I have a Javelin IV and I am happy! It still needs to ignore some % of shield-gating on Gold though! I think the Black Widow is over-rated (I have it at rank III)...I much prefer my Valiant I to it.

Give the Javelin a go with a Geth Infiltrator. Ignore Proxy Mines and go full on with damage upgrades. Make sure you put the SR piercing mod and extended barrel mod on it. I have so much fun killing enemies through METRES of cover!

[Johnsen1972]

Air Quotes wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

 

Air Quotes wrote...

It's not a cool story. It's just a fact. With Widow and Javelin you are REQUIRED to use powers before a shot on Gold for them to be effective. Without powers you will need 2 shots to take out that Centurion, so shot, reload cancel, aquire target, shot - 3 seconds. With BW - shot, shot - dead. 1.5 seconds or faster. 

 

Rofl, you have REALLY NO CLUE. I use BW on my Other Infiltrator but Im not bragging with invented stories because I havent tried out the Javelin yet.

Maybe Im a bit better with BW on Cerberus then a Javelin User, but on Geth and Reapers, with all the amored dudes, I get beaten by Infiltrators with Javelin regularly.

Please stop telling invented stories if you havent tried it out yet. If you dont have a clue about reload canceling just do a search in this forum.

Compared 1 on 1 without power usage - BW destroys the Javelin. In practice you're not only shooting bo$$ mobs. You have to take out A LOT of trash too. And with BW or Valiant I can take both bosses and scrubs equally well and fast. 

It doesn't matter if you can 1 shot a brute if that marauder puts you down, because you can't kill him fast enough. 

And I have tried the Javelin and Widow and BW and Valiant on Gold. The scores and usefulness for the team speak in BW and Valiant favor. 

I will use both guns, stay with your BW / Valiant and keep telling amazing stories about twice as much points and just keep ignoring reload canceling. It might a bit embarassing but, Im not here to convince people to try out something different.

The Javelin is a really good sniper rifle and that is not just my opinion.

[Luke Pearce]

Air Quotes wrote...

You NEED Proxy Mines! Best thing ever. 20% debuff for 8 seconds? Yes please! 

The Javelin is so damned heavy that the cooldown for the proxy mines would probably be too long for me to cloak and shoot.

I just spam cloak and shoot so the cooldown is like 3 seconds...about the same time as a reload (a tad bit longer actually which is annoying) so adding another power for me is pointless.

Plus I play that class for some fun on Silver. If I want to play Gold I usually rock Salarian Infiltrator w/ Valiant I or Drell Adept w/ Talon II (don't knock it til you try it!)

[Zorinho20_CRO]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Johnsen1972 wrote...

 

Air Quotes wrote...

It's not a cool story. It's just a fact. With Widow and Javelin you are REQUIRED to use powers before a shot on Gold for them to be effective. Without powers you will need 2 shots to take out that Centurion, so shot, reload cancel, aquire target, shot - 3 seconds. With BW - shot, shot - dead. 1.5 seconds or faster. 

 

Rofl, you have REALLY NO CLUE. I use BW on my Other Infiltrator but Im not bragging with invented stories because I havent tried out the Javelin yet.

Maybe Im a bit better with BW on Cerberus then a Javelin User, but on Geth and Reapers, with all the amored dudes, I get beaten by Infiltrators with Javelin regularly.

Please stop telling invented stories if you havent tried it out yet. If you dont have a clue about reload canceling just do a search in this forum.

Compared 1 on 1 without power usage - BW destroys the Javelin. In practice you're not only shooting bo$$ mobs. You have to take out A LOT of trash too. And with BW or Valiant I can take both bosses and scrubs equally well and fast. 

It doesn't matter if you can 1 shot a brute if that marauder puts you down, because you can't kill him fast enough. 

And I have tried the Javelin and Widow and BW and Valiant on Gold. The scores and usefulness for the team speak in BW and Valiant favor. 

I will use both guns, stay with your BW / Valiant and keep telling amazing stories about twice as much points and just keep ignoring reload canceling. It might a bit embarassing but, Im not here to convince people to try out something different.

The Javelin is a really good sniper rifle and that is not just my opinion.

Javelin IS good weapon (like any other weapon in the right hands),but I think when you get your mitts on Valiant(I hope you will),you will carry him in the bed.

[Immortal Strife]

Best snipe aside I say this, when I play for fun and a little more challenge I use my black Widow VI on the human infiltrator. When I want to play to just destroy everything and speed run, I use the Javelin X on the Geth Infiltrator.

I've also noticed that the multi shot snipers work best against the Geth faction, they have the most shield protected enemies. While the single shot sniper-especially the Javelin, because it can one shot Phatoms after a mine-work best against the Reapers and Cerberus due to heavy bosses.

I think Air Quotes may be using results from FBWGG to show his multi shot sniper dominance.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 21 mai 2012 - 02:43 .

[cronshaw]

I have it at level one and I don't like it. I'd say to really get all you can from it you'd have to be a great shot. With the charge up, low ammo, and long reload it is way too inefficient if you miss even 20% of the time. So it is not the gun for me, but I'm sure there are players who are really good shots that do great with it.

[SimulatedSnowman]

I like using the Javelin against Reapers. All of em move pretty slow, and very few of them are shielded/have barriers. Extended barrel + Ammo keeps you killing stuff without having to go get ammo too much, which besides shield gate, is really the only downside to the Javelin IMO besides the weight, which is ridiculous.

I think as far as utility is concerned, the Black Widow is generally better because of the ability to rapidly follow up. Plus, it's a bit lighter so there's that.

[Immortal Strife]

After seeing so many threads about the Javelin sucking it's safe to assume that people struggle with it. I'm lucky enough to have a high version and that is maybe why I don't struggle with it. I'll concede that the Black Widow and Valiant are better based on public opinion.

Ps. I don't think I can be out scored with my Javelin X GI build. Air Quotes I wish you played on the Xbox, it would be fun to go at it and it would be nice to have a good teammate for once.