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Hello 100?
YES!!!!

Funny! When I reached page 100 my mouse suddenly died.

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RavenEyry

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Are we making pointless posts in hopes of reaching 100 now?

And here I thought romance talk was spamming.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Are we making pointless posts in hopes of reaching 100 now?

And here I thought romance talk was spamming.


Apparently we are, and romance talk insn't spamming as it's game related discussion, and you never know what ideas that could lead too. Otherwise instead of being an IDT community, we just become the IDT committee and a committee is just a cul de sac to which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled to death.

Also, Can I just say that due to your avatar I read all your posts in Lance Henriksen's voice.

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I wasn't complaining, I joined the romance discussion. I generally equate everyone with their avatars mentally.

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My friend, the original thread was 20% speculation, 30% re-explaining ideas and buried evidence for newbies, 20% arguments with trolls, 1% actual discussions with people whom had reasonable arguments, and 29% bull****ting waiting for something new to come up. Speak not of spamming to us.

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Pretty much everything has been discussed left, right, and center. Lot of the recent posts have been pretty OT because of it.

On-topic/conspiracy theory as to why previous thread got shut down.

It got shut down not because of off-topicness, but rather so many glaring errors have been shown about the endings that Bioware couldn't stand being reminded of how bad the endings are if they remain literal.

Modifié par Golferguy758, 18 mai 2012 - 11:06 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

I wasn't complaining, I joined the romance discussion. I generally equate everyone with their avatars mentally.


Glad I'm not the only one. But anyway, now that we've reached 100 If you don't mind, I really need to get back to these calibrations.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 18 mai 2012 - 11:14 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, the original thread was 20% speculation, 30% re-explaining ideas and buried evidence for newbies, 20% arguments with trolls, 1% actual discussions with people whom had reasonable arguments, and 29% bull****ting waiting for something new to come up. Speak not of spamming to us.

LOL. Where did you come up with that numbers?

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Salient Archer wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I wasn't complaining, I joined the romance discussion. I generally equate everyone with their avatars mentally.


Glad I'm not the only one. But anyway, now that we've reached 100 I need to be off, I really need to get back to these calibrations.


:blink: If that's the case, what am I?

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paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, the original thread was 20% speculation, 30% re-explaining ideas and buried evidence for newbies, 20% arguments with trolls, 1% actual discussions with people whom had reasonable arguments, and 29% bull****ting waiting for something new to come up. Speak not of spamming to us.

LOL. Where did you come up with that numbers?


I tried this thing the literalists keep doing, I pulled it out of my ass.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

:blink: If that's the case, what am I?


A slightly friendlier Loghain.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, the original thread was 20% speculation, 30% re-explaining ideas and buried evidence for newbies, 20% arguments with trolls, 1% actual discussions with people whom had reasonable arguments, and 29% bull****ting waiting for something new to come up. Speak not of spamming to us.

LOL. Where did you come up with that numbers?


I tried this thing the literalists keep doing, I pulled it out of my ass.

That explains it.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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I don't think this can be considered a clue -let alone proof- for the IT, but i stumbled upon a peculiar reuse of assets by the devs.

In my first playthrough i chose synthesis, before the IT theory was formulated. I don't know why, but at that moment i didn't feel very confortable with the looks of the "synthesised" characters. I wondered where in the game did i already see the glowing circuitry like specular on the leaves and the characters, but i couldn't figure out where.

Wasn't until my second playthrough, on the cerberus Headquarters level in the room with the Human-Reaper Larvae, that i gave a closer look to the destroyed reaper pieces. The big red beam weapon-eye thing is sorrounded by broken panels or plates. Those have specular similar (if not identical) to the aforementioned speculars on the synthesis ending.

Sorry for the horrible photo, but i bought the xbox version of the game, so i couldn't take any decent screen:
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So, to put it as simple as possible, everybody in the galaxy got mixed with the inner workings of the reaper... not good.
As i said, this is no proof of IT, but it shines a creepy light on Synthesis ending IMHO.

It's the same texture used for TIM's implants.


True :). Makes me feel even worse against the Synthesis ending.
No matter the differences in method between the two: the result is the same: things aren't that good  (Shep ends up indoctrinated).

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paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, the original thread was 20% speculation, 30% re-explaining ideas and buried evidence for newbies, 20% arguments with trolls, 1% actual discussions with people whom had reasonable arguments, and 29% bull****ting waiting for something new to come up. Speak not of spamming to us.

LOL. Where did you come up with that numbers?


I tried this thing the literalists keep doing, I pulled it out of my ass.

That explains it.


Hmm, the literalists do seem to be very flexible with the ideals of reality. The old saying: "When a mans reach is greater than his grasp..." tends to come to mind.

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ArmeniusLOD wrote...

Just wanted to add something to the pistol evidence.  I decided to play through the first game again to start the saga with a new Shepard.  We've all seen that Saren uses what would become the Predator in later games to commit suicide at the end of the game if you can convince him that he's indoctrinated.  Well I noticed this at the beginning on Eden Prime when we see Saren for the first time:

After seeing Nihlus checking out the scene at the dock from behind cover with Saren pacing in the background, this is the first shot we see focused on Saren:  a close-up of the gun he's wearing on his hip.
http://cloud.steampo...47E517B9B32637/

With Nihlus' back turned we see Saren prepare to shoot him in the back of the head.
http://cloud.steampo...FDB9E4ACA7C685/

Look familiar?

I took these screenshots on the PC version after I noticed it on the Xbox 360 version.  I have yet to get the DLC for the PC versions of the series and I only have ME3 on Xbox right now anyway.

Again, I apologize if this has been shown before as I'm late to the discussion.  2300 pages is a lot to go through.


Surprised nobody ran with this, definitely looks like Saren is using a Carnifex

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RavenEyry wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

:blink: If that's the case, what am I?


A slightly friendlier Loghain.


Huh... I suppose I DO sound kinda like Simon Templeman, maybe that's why people have a hard time trusting me.

Though really I sound more like this guy; www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 18 mai 2012 - 11:26 .


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Salient Archer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, the original thread was 20% speculation, 30% re-explaining ideas and buried evidence for newbies, 20% arguments with trolls, 1% actual discussions with people whom had reasonable arguments, and 29% bull****ting waiting for something new to come up. Speak not of spamming to us.

LOL. Where did you come up with that numbers?


I tried this thing the literalists keep doing, I pulled it out of my ass.

That explains it.


Hmm, the literalists do seem to be very flexible with the ideals of reality. The old saying: "When a mans reach is greater than his grasp..." tends to come to mind.

Well, some people have a hard time thinking abstractly and instead decide to take everything at face value. I don't blame them unless they wage flame wars.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 mai 2012 - 11:32 .


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Lord Luc1fer wrote...

ArmeniusLOD wrote...

Just wanted to add something to the pistol evidence.  I decided to play through the first game again to start the saga with a new Shepard.  We've all seen that Saren uses what would become the Predator in later games to commit suicide at the end of the game if you can convince him that he's indoctrinated.  Well I noticed this at the beginning on Eden Prime when we see Saren for the first time:

After seeing Nihlus checking out the scene at the dock from behind cover with Saren pacing in the background, this is the first shot we see focused on Saren:  a close-up of the gun he's wearing on his hip.
http://cloud.steampo...47E517B9B32637/

With Nihlus' back turned we see Saren prepare to shoot him in the back of the head.
http://cloud.steampo...FDB9E4ACA7C685/

Look familiar?

I took these screenshots on the PC version after I noticed it on the Xbox 360 version.  I have yet to get the DLC for the PC versions of the series and I only have ME3 on Xbox right now anyway.

Again, I apologize if this has been shown before as I'm late to the discussion.  2300 pages is a lot to go through.


Surprised nobody ran with this, definitely looks like Saren is using a Carnifex


I just always considered the cut to Saren's sidearm was just a tell to us (the audience) that he was up to no good.

Interesting that the only two handgun designs from ME are the only ones 'forced' during cinematic's in ME3.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

:blink: If that's the case, what am I?


A slightly friendlier Loghain.


Huh... I suppose I DO sound kinda like Simon Templeman, maybe that's why people have a hard time trusting me.

Though really I sound more like this guy; www.youtube.com/watch


Oddly, I already assumed your voice sounded like this ... the fact I did is really creepy now that I think of it.

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I find it strange that some anti-IT people insist every piece of evidence can be debunked, yet most of that 'debunking' is just 'it's bad writing'. Maybe next time someone brings up a potentially valid argument against us we should just shout 'bad writing' at them since it's apparently undebateable.

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Salient Archer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

ArmeniusLOD wrote...

Just wanted to add something to the pistol evidence.  I decided to play through the first game again to start the saga with a new Shepard.  We've all seen that Saren uses what would become the Predator in later games to commit suicide at the end of the game if you can convince him that he's indoctrinated.  Well I noticed this at the beginning on Eden Prime when we see Saren for the first time:

After seeing Nihlus checking out the scene at the dock from behind cover with Saren pacing in the background, this is the first shot we see focused on Saren:  a close-up of the gun he's wearing on his hip.
http://cloud.steampo...47E517B9B32637/

With Nihlus' back turned we see Saren prepare to shoot him in the back of the head.
http://cloud.steampo...FDB9E4ACA7C685/

Look familiar?

I took these screenshots on the PC version after I noticed it on the Xbox 360 version.  I have yet to get the DLC for the PC versions of the series and I only have ME3 on Xbox right now anyway.

Again, I apologize if this has been shown before as I'm late to the discussion.  2300 pages is a lot to go through.


Surprised nobody ran with this, definitely looks like Saren is using a Carnifex


I just always considered the cut to Saren's sidearm was just a tell to us (the audience) that he was up to no good.

Interesting that the only two handgun designs from ME are the only ones 'forced' during cinematic's in ME3.


THe carnifex wasn't even a useable wepon in ME1 though was it? there must be some significance in him using the carnifex in this scene, when, I believe somebody confirmed he shot himself with a predator? (like TIM)

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Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

:blink: If that's the case, what am I?


A slightly friendlier Loghain.


Huh... I suppose I DO sound kinda like Simon Templeman, maybe that's why people have a hard time trusting me.

Though really I sound more like this guy; www.youtube.com/watch


Oddly, I already assumed your voice sounded like this ... the fact I did is really creepy now that I think of it.


There are worse people to sound like I suppose.

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Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

ArmeniusLOD wrote...

Just wanted to add something to the pistol evidence.  I decided to play through the first game again to start the saga with a new Shepard.  We've all seen that Saren uses what would become the Predator in later games to commit suicide at the end of the game if you can convince him that he's indoctrinated.  Well I noticed this at the beginning on Eden Prime when we see Saren for the first time:

After seeing Nihlus checking out the scene at the dock from behind cover with Saren pacing in the background, this is the first shot we see focused on Saren:  a close-up of the gun he's wearing on his hip.
http://cloud.steampo...47E517B9B32637/

With Nihlus' back turned we see Saren prepare to shoot him in the back of the head.
http://cloud.steampo...FDB9E4ACA7C685/

Look familiar?

I took these screenshots on the PC version after I noticed it on the Xbox 360 version.  I have yet to get the DLC for the PC versions of the series and I only have ME3 on Xbox right now anyway.

Again, I apologize if this has been shown before as I'm late to the discussion.  2300 pages is a lot to go through.


Surprised nobody ran with this, definitely looks like Saren is using a Carnifex


I just always considered the cut to Saren's sidearm was just a tell to us (the audience) that he was up to no good.

Interesting that the only two handgun designs from ME are the only ones 'forced' during cinematic's in ME3.


THe carnifex wasn't even a useable wepon in ME1 though was it? there must be some significance in him using the carnifex in this scene, when, I believe somebody confirmed he shot himself with a predator? (like TIM)


Well, that design is what we now call the Carnifex, but it was essentialy the alternative handgun design in ME [the other being the predator design] 

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Just looked through the pistol list on the wiki and it seems they were all reskinned predators or carnifexes. Still seems strange that they swapped out Saren's weapon though.

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ME handguns that look like the Carnifex are:
Ariake Raikou
Haliat Stiletto
HMWP Master Pistol [which is probably the one in the cinematic as HMWP was by Spectre Gear]

Edit: There's several more that have the same look but they come in alternative colors like all-red, etc]

Modifié par Salient Archer, 18 mai 2012 - 11:42 .