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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Guys, I'm really scared about this EC. I'm sure it will "improve" the current endings, but I don't see any reason to believe IT is going to be proven correct. If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please share.

I mean...they showed a picture of the scene explaining why Joker is leaving...which means it's real :(

Maybe he is telling the normandy to engage in a search and rescue for shepard?

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Silent Rogue wrote...

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So who are all these people? To me they look like the following:

From left to right: Liara, Ashley, Samara???(I don't know, the face looks femine), Bailey(???), Garrus, Joker (posssibly Anderson, but it seems too slim to be him), Tali and EDI.


Scratch that, it's probably Hackett. It looks more like his hair in that pic.

He's wearing the default casual outfit. Can't be. I would say its Cortez but the hair doesn't make sense. He's obviously someone important since he's holding the plaque and is front and center. The fact that he is shaded a different color then the others seems to indicate that it's probably Shepard honoring Anderson. 

Vega is in between the mysterious purple man and Ashley. Javik is next to Tali (you can see his leg between her and Joker). It's definitely Joker since you can tell by the baseball cap. 

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Silent Rogue wrote...

Silent Rogue wrote...

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So who are all these people? To me they look like the following:

From left to right: Liara, Ashley, Samara???(I don't know, the face looks femine), Bailey(???), Garrus, Joker (posssibly Anderson, but it seems too slim to be him), Tali and EDI.


Scratch that, it's probably Hackett. It looks more like his hair in that pic.


What about the person that is behind Tali...you can see the leg (with the shin pad that extends above the knee) and an arm (looks like hand on hip pose)...could that be Mordin?

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Fireblader70 wrote...

You know, indoctrination theory was never implied or hinted at by Bioware - it was all just a concotion of the fans. The disappointment is not the fault of Bioware.


I'm not a IT supporter myself, but the implication with the recent Jmerinzan tweat that the EC is not going to provide a definitive answer to IT (IMO) implies that the EC is not actually going to clarify/fix the ending.

The EC should/supposed to resolve the "speculation" plot holes that spawned IT in the first place, or it was going to be a dramatic reveal that IT was right all along. One way or another, it was supposed to lay the beast to rest.

If it's not going to provide enough of an answer to resolve the "this is so insane, it has to be mind control" fans, I don't know what to think.

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liggy002 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

10 minutes for the Extended Cut guys.... I hate to say but it seems that the IT is wrong. You can't have gameplay and scenes in that time span. I swear I am never going to buy another thing from this company ever again.



maybe if IT is right the result will be in future content?  you know, the stuff they were working on BEFORE the fan rage?

some ppl break far too easily...


They said no post game DLC.  It doesn't seem likely.  Excuse me for being upset.  They pretty much ignored just about every request I've made.  They can go to hell.

Chill. It's not even out yet ;)

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D.Sharrah wrote...

Silent Rogue wrote...

Silent Rogue wrote...

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So who are all these people? To me they look like the following:

From left to right: Liara, Ashley, Samara???(I don't know, the face looks femine), Bailey(???), Garrus, Joker (posssibly Anderson, but it seems too slim to be him), Tali and EDI.


Scratch that, it's probably Hackett. It looks more like his hair in that pic.


What about the person that is behind Tali...you can see the leg (with the shin pad that extends above the knee) and an arm (looks like hand on hip pose)...could that be Mordin?

It's Javik (see post above yours). =]

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liggy002 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

10 minutes for the Extended Cut guys.... I hate to say but it seems that the IT is wrong. You can't have gameplay and scenes in that time span. I swear I am never going to buy another thing from this company ever again.



maybe if IT is right the result will be in future content?  you know, the stuff they were working on BEFORE the fan rage?

some ppl break far too easily...


They said no post game DLC.  It doesn't seem likely.  Excuse me for being upset.  They pretty much ignored just about every request I've made.  They can go to hell.



You know 1.9 GB is more then 10 mins of cutscenes.
Also they never denied that there was no playable content.

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liggy002 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

10 minutes for the Extended Cut guys.... I hate to say but it seems that the IT is wrong. You can't have gameplay and scenes in that time span. I swear I am never going to buy another thing from this company ever again.



maybe if IT is right the result will be in future content?  you know, the stuff they were working on BEFORE the fan rage?

some ppl break far too easily...


They said no post game DLC.  It doesn't seem likely.  Excuse me for being upset.  They pretty much ignored just about every request I've made.  They can go to hell.



Then leave them. Abandon Bioware. I was planning on moving away from Bioware about 7 days ago.

I'm not gonna make the same mistake again to become this emotionally invested in a videogaming series.

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EC will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you believe it has merit or not.

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216298342752329729

Modifié par Thor187, 22 juin 2012 - 11:34 .


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munnellyladt wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

10 minutes for the Extended Cut guys.... I hate to say but it seems that the IT is wrong. You can't have gameplay and scenes in that time span. I swear I am never going to buy another thing from this company ever again.



maybe if IT is right the result will be in future content?  you know, the stuff they were working on BEFORE the fan rage?

some ppl break far too easily...


They said no post game DLC.  It doesn't seem likely.  Excuse me for being upset.  They pretty much ignored just about every request I've made.  They can go to hell.



You know 1.9 GB is more then 10 mins of cutscenes.
Also they never denied that there was no playable content.


Why did Merizan say 10 minutes?

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mrs.N7 wrote...

Yes, that! But does disengage mean duck out of the sistem? I don't think so. Reapers are in Earth orbit, there is a whole sistem to rendezvous, right?


I think the meaning's pretty clear, "all ships, stop engaging the enemy and put some distance between you and the Crucible because it's about to do stuff." It's possible the rendezvous point is somewhere within the solar system.

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liggy002 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

10 minutes for the Extended Cut guys.... I hate to say but it seems that the IT is wrong. You can't have gameplay and scenes in that time span. I swear I am never going to buy another thing from this company ever again.



maybe if IT is right the result will be in future content?  you know, the stuff they were working on BEFORE the fan rage?

some ppl break far too easily...


They said no post game DLC.  It doesn't seem likely.  Excuse me for being upset.  They pretty much ignored just about every request I've made.  They can go to hell.



You know 1.9 GB is more then 10 mins of cutscenes.
Also they never denied that there was no playable content.


Why did Merizan say 10 minutes?


Because she probably doesn't know anything about it.

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liggy002 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

10 minutes for the Extended Cut guys.... I hate to say but it seems that the IT is wrong. You can't have gameplay and scenes in that time span. I swear I am never going to buy another thing from this company ever again.



maybe if IT is right the result will be in future content?  you know, the stuff they were working on BEFORE the fan rage?

some ppl break far too easily...


They said no post game DLC.  It doesn't seem likely.  Excuse me for being upset.  They pretty much ignored just about every request I've made.  They can go to hell.



You know 1.9 GB is more then 10 mins of cutscenes.
Also they never denied that there was no playable content.


Why did Merizan say 10 minutes?

It's 10 minutes...but it's also has 10 minutes for every other possible combination. No VS. No Tali. Tali but no VS. Javik not recruited. Garrus dead. Wrex dead. List goes on. 

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

S***. Geth with a green eye. Could it be synthesis? Looks like this could go either way.


I'm a little worried as well. There better not be the A,B,C options when EC comes out.

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OdanUrr wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

Yes, that! But does disengage mean duck out of the sistem? I don't think so. Reapers are in Earth orbit, there is a whole sistem to rendezvous, right?


I think the meaning's pretty clear, "all ships, stop engaging the enemy and put some distance between you and the Crucible because it's about to do stuff." It's possible the rendezvous point is somewhere within the solar system.


Not to mention, like I said earlier, it explains why the Crucible doesn't have an escort as its docking with the Citadel.

Unless you know the context of that sentence, and when its said, you can't draw any conclusions.

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FellishBeast wrote...

Guys, I'm really scared about this EC. I'm sure it will "improve" the current endings, but I don't see any reason to believe IT is going to be proven correct. If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please share.

I mean...they showed a picture of the scene explaining why Joker is leaving...which means it's real :(

Maybe he is telling the normandy to engage in a search and rescue for shepard?


C'mon!
What about the teleporting thing?
There is no possible way that he could have picked your squadmates up.
KEEP THAT IN MIND!

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june 26th!

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D.Sharrah wrote...

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http://masseffect.bi...t/extended_cut/

This is from the official website...there are five pictures in the middle of the page, which are casuing a lot of speculation.  I personally don't think that there is enough there to make any inferences about what they are depicting (except maybe the one with Joker - the caption does appear to show Hackett giving him an order).


Besides...I can't imagine them posting anything that would "spoil" the EC so close to the release date.  Including telling (whatever the source - twitter, facebook, interview - whatever the source) if one of the possible outcomes is IT or not.


The caption is "Mac Walters reviews the scene where Joker disengages the fight on Earth." This almost completely kills my IT hopes. :crying:

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liggy002 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

10 minutes for the Extended Cut guys.... I hate to say but it seems that the IT is wrong. You can't have gameplay and scenes in that time span. I swear I am never going to buy another thing from this company ever again.



maybe if IT is right the result will be in future content?  you know, the stuff they were working on BEFORE the fan rage?

some ppl break far too easily...


They said no post game DLC.  It doesn't seem likely.  Excuse me for being upset.  They pretty much ignored just about every request I've made.  They can go to hell.

when exactly did they say that?  I've only heard heresay on that subject.  it isn't over yet, the EC hasn't come out, and of course, it is a video game.

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liggy002 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

10 minutes for the Extended Cut guys.... I hate to say but it seems that the IT is wrong. You can't have gameplay and scenes in that time span. I swear I am never going to buy another thing from this company ever again.



maybe if IT is right the result will be in future content?  you know, the stuff they were working on BEFORE the fan rage?

some ppl break far too easily...


They said no post game DLC.  It doesn't seem likely.  Excuse me for being upset.  They pretty much ignored just about every request I've made.  They can go to hell.



You know 1.9 GB is more then 10 mins of cutscenes.
Also they never denied that there was no playable content.


Why did Merizan say 10 minutes?


Well the shadow broaker dlc was 1.5(give or take)GB.
i think that toke more than 10 mins

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This will probably get lost in all the EC news/speculation, but has anybody seen this?



It's not related to EC and I'm sure we've talked about it already, but what was the consensus on it?

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FellishBeast wrote...

Guys, I'm really scared about this EC. I'm sure it will "improve" the current endings, but I don't see any reason to believe IT is going to be proven correct. If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please share.

I mean...they showed a picture of the scene explaining why Joker is leaving...which means it's real :(

Maybe he is telling the normandy to engage in a search and rescue for shepard?


C'mon!
What about the teleporting thing?
There is no possible way that he could have picked your squadmates up.
KEEP THAT IN MIND!

im saying maybe the whole thing is over, the teleport didnt actually happen, and now he wants them to conduct search and rescue. but i dont know and i wont know until EC comes out Posted Image

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Has Merizan been wrong before? Yes.

Would anyone at Bioware let slip what the ending of EC is supposed to be at this point? No.

Would they answer questions in a way to try an engage as many fans interest as poosible? Yes.

I do not know if I can be any clearer...at this point, we know nothing. We know that the producer of the content has released information meant to tease the fan base...that's it. Everything else is pure speculation.

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Thor187 wrote...

EC will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you believe it has merit or not.

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216298342752329729


To speculate... It's up to you if you believe it has merit or not. 
Well, people used this sort of argument agains it : "they took it from fanfiction!!!"
If they used Indocrtination, people could say that they took the idea from IT. 
Sooo, maybe... 1+1=IT.  /really tired

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DrTsoni wrote...

This will probably get lost in all the EC news/speculation, but has anybody seen this?



It's not related to EC and I'm sure we've talked about it already, but what was the consensus on it?


Huh. I haven't seen that before. I too would like to know about this.

Well I mean, in cutscenes sometimes they show Shepard with a weapon that he didn't use. For example my Shepard only used an assault rifle, but on Thessia he used a pistol.

I don't know, but this doesn't really seem significant enough to be a legitimate topic backing IT.

Modifié par ThaneKriosIsBoss, 22 juin 2012 - 11:43 .