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#25176
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munnellyladt wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

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liggy002 wrote...

10 minutes for the Extended Cut guys.... I hate to say but it seems that the IT is wrong. You can't have gameplay and scenes in that time span. I swear I am never going to buy another thing from this company ever again.



maybe if IT is right the result will be in future content?  you know, the stuff they were working on BEFORE the fan rage?

some ppl break far too easily...


They said no post game DLC.  It doesn't seem likely.  Excuse me for being upset.  They pretty much ignored just about every request I've made.  They can go to hell.



You know 1.9 GB is more then 10 mins of cutscenes.
Also they never denied that there was no playable content.


Well jessica just posted there will be no new combat so either she is lying or she really doesn't want us to be excited for EC... <_< ... Come on it's a game!!! If I have to wait for an hour for the EC to download and have no new combat at all, well....I'll be disappointed.

Here: http://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan

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#25177
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D.Sharrah wrote...

Has Merizan been wrong before? Yes.

Would anyone at Bioware let slip what the ending of EC is supposed to be at this point? No.

Would they answer questions in a way to try an engage as many fans interest as poosible? Yes.

I do not know if I can be any clearer...at this point, we know nothing. We know that the producer of the content has released information meant to tease the fan base...that's it. Everything else is pure speculation.


Just look at this thread alone...30 some pages since this morning...If they wanted to get people talking again, they sure did it.

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ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

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FellishBeast wrote...

Guys, I'm really scared about this EC. I'm sure it will "improve" the current endings, but I don't see any reason to believe IT is going to be proven correct. If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please share.

I mean...they showed a picture of the scene explaining why Joker is leaving...which means it's real :(

Maybe he is telling the normandy to engage in a search and rescue for shepard?


C'mon!
What about the teleporting thing?
There is no possible way that he could have picked your squadmates up.
KEEP THAT IN MIND!

im saying maybe the whole thing is over, the teleport didnt actually happen, and now he wants them to conduct search and rescue. but i dont know and i wont know until EC comes out Posted Image


But are you forgetting about harbinger.
He would have made sure the place was clear.
and your squadmates looked fine when they were getting out of the ship.
And do you think they would think"Shepard didn't make it to the beam,so we wont even try"

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Trying to keep my hopes up, but failing miserably. Then again, maybe that’s the way to go into this, expecting the worst and then getting pleasantly surprised by what we get.

Also looks like there’s going to be no new combat, https://twitter.com/...310208266387456 Though that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

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ChuckieJ wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

http://masseffect.bi...t/extended_cut/

This is from the official website...there are five pictures in the middle of the page, which are casuing a lot of speculation.  I personally don't think that there is enough there to make any inferences about what they are depicting (except maybe the one with Joker - the caption does appear to show Hackett giving him an order).


Besides...I can't imagine them posting anything that would "spoil" the EC so close to the release date.  Including telling (whatever the source - twitter, facebook, interview - whatever the source) if one of the possible outcomes is IT or not.


The caption is "Mac Walters reviews the scene where Joker disengages the fight on Earth." This almost completely kills my IT hopes. :crying:


What if this was the plan from the start? Fleets attacks reapers, decoy to deploy crucible, the cricible is so powerful that it's KNOWN that it will damage the fleets, when the crucible is armed fleets leave, hoping that the crucible will do what is buld for, destroy reapers. Shepard does know maybe, so he immagines the crash landing... yeah, I know, straws, a lot of them...

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So, either Merizan is lying or the EC wont provide a definitive answer on the IT. If the latter, I just got screwed by Bioware. If the former, thank God for that.

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Oh and for those you haven't noticed, Merizan tweeted there will be no additional combat in EC. So.... just think that should be known.

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munnellyladt wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Guys, I'm really scared about this EC. I'm sure it will "improve" the current endings, but I don't see any reason to believe IT is going to be proven correct. If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please share.

I mean...they showed a picture of the scene explaining why Joker is leaving...which means it's real :(

Maybe he is telling the normandy to engage in a search and rescue for shepard?


C'mon!
What about the teleporting thing?
There is no possible way that he could have picked your squadmates up.
KEEP THAT IN MIND!

im saying maybe the whole thing is over, the teleport didnt actually happen, and now he wants them to conduct search and rescue. but i dont know and i wont know until EC comes out Posted Image


But are you forgetting about harbinger.
He would have made sure the place was clear.
and your squadmates looked fine when they were getting out of the ship.
And do you think they would think"Shepard didn't make it to the beam,so we wont even try"

but hackett saw the crucible open up. he had to have assumed it was Shep cuz, i mean, who else would it be?

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I think if there is no combat, and then if IT is true it could possibly make me feel better. If both are false, then they are gonna have to have something mind blowing to get me excited again for Mass Effect.

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DrTsoni wrote...

This will probably get lost in all the EC news/speculation, but has anybody seen this?



It's not related to EC and I'm sure we've talked about it already, but what was the consensus on it?

Interesting. From a scripting perspective, it wouldn't make any sense to have the gun switch models. The gun should have stayed the same. Why would a coder put that in there. :blink:

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TJBartlemus wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

10 minutes for the Extended Cut guys.... I hate to say but it seems that the IT is wrong. You can't have gameplay and scenes in that time span. I swear I am never going to buy another thing from this company ever again.



maybe if IT is right the result will be in future content?  you know, the stuff they were working on BEFORE the fan rage?

some ppl break far too easily...


They said no post game DLC.  It doesn't seem likely.  Excuse me for being upset.  They pretty much ignored just about every request I've made.  They can go to hell.



You know 1.9 GB is more then 10 mins of cutscenes.
Also they never denied that there was no playable content.


Well jessica just posted there will be no new combat so either she is lying or she really doesn't want us to be excited for EC... <_< ... Come on it's a game!!! If I have to wait for an hour for the EC to download and have no new combat at all, well....I'll be disappointed.

Here: http://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan


But she also said before that their might be.so she lie's from time to time.
i dont have a link but here is the gist of what was said:

to bad there's no new gameplay.

@JesicaMarizan said:I dont know where you got that from...

#25187
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liggy002 wrote...

So, either Merizan is lying or the EC wont provide a definitive answer on the IT. If the latter, I just got screwed by Bioware. If the former, thank God for that.


I think what Merizan is saying is that EC might be a little vague about IT, but you're supposed to infer that it's true.

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ThaneKriosIsBoss wrote...

Oh and for those you haven't noticed, Merizan tweeted there will be no additional combat in EC. So.... just think that should be known.

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRkQD8X1bkMr3N7oZB_7AOeWC_ukmqNUURWDCFAzGZ-8k37jxWQ

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TJBartlemus wrote...

I think if there is no combat, and then if IT is true it could possibly make me feel better. If both are false, then they are gonna have to have something mind blowing to get me excited again for Mass Effect.

This.

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ThaneKriosIsBoss wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...

This will probably get lost in all the EC news/speculation, but has anybody seen this?



It's not related to EC and I'm sure we've talked about it already, but what was the consensus on it?


Huh. I haven't seen that before. I too would like to know about this.

Well I mean, in cutscenes sometimes they show Shepard with a weapon that he didn't use. For example my Shepard only used an assault rifle, but on Thessia he used a pistol.

I don't know, but this doesn't really seem significant enough to be a legitimate topic backing IT.

Yeah, I find my Shepard constantly using the Avenger in cutscene (in all 3 games, despite not even being able to use one until 3...then never actually using it) and taking a pistol off her back where an assault rifle would be, but this seems different enough to question. The others are just how the cutscenes work but...they force you into using the Carnifex, so why switch it right at the last second to a Predator? Unless it's in Shepard's head and s/he's confused, it makes no sense that they would make an effort to do this.

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TSA_383 wrote...

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Well i'll be honest, some people say that if IT is not true they still be happy.

I'll be dissappointed when the EC is nothing more than a 'this is what happens to your squad, bye bye'

A "bye bye" that happens to need more space than LOTSB?

I've been saying it for months. There will be more to it.


Sorry if this has been answered already, but does anyone know how big the download is? Also, I KNEW it would be the 26th since announcement. First tuesday after summer started.

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So I'm guessing EC will be like the end of inception... was he dreaming/having a mental battle?

#25193
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ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Guys, I'm really scared about this EC. I'm sure it will "improve" the current endings, but I don't see any reason to believe IT is going to be proven correct. If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please share.

I mean...they showed a picture of the scene explaining why Joker is leaving...which means it's real :(

Maybe he is telling the normandy to engage in a search and rescue for shepard?


C'mon!
What about the teleporting thing?
There is no possible way that he could have picked your squadmates up.
KEEP THAT IN MIND!

im saying maybe the whole thing is over, the teleport didnt actually happen, and now he wants them to conduct search and rescue. but i dont know and i wont know until EC comes out Posted Image


But are you forgetting about harbinger.
He would have made sure the place was clear.
and your squadmates looked fine when they were getting out of the ship.
And do you think they would think"Shepard didn't make it to the beam,so we wont even try"

but hackett saw the crucible open up. he had to have assumed it was Shep cuz, i mean, who else would it be?



No,i'm talking about the squadmates.think about it.
if they were alive they still would have ran to the beam since they were with you at that point.
And if there was search and rescue your squadmates would be badly injured and yet they get out of the normandy without even a scratch.

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Well, I've been pretty upset after listening to that podcast and seeing the images of Hackett ordering joker away. It's a knife in the side of the IT. However, I was a little quick to jump the gun and maybe we will still get the IT but just in post game DLC. I just feel very sad right now... words can't describe how f**** s****** I feel right now.

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munnellyladt wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Guys, I'm really scared about this EC. I'm sure it will "improve" the current endings, but I don't see any reason to believe IT is going to be proven correct. If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please share.

I mean...they showed a picture of the scene explaining why Joker is leaving...which means it's real :(

Maybe he is telling the normandy to engage in a search and rescue for shepard?


C'mon!
What about the teleporting thing?
There is no possible way that he could have picked your squadmates up.
KEEP THAT IN MIND!

im saying maybe the whole thing is over, the teleport didnt actually happen, and now he wants them to conduct search and rescue. but i dont know and i wont know until EC comes out Posted Image


But are you forgetting about harbinger.
He would have made sure the place was clear.
and your squadmates looked fine when they were getting out of the ship.
And do you think they would think"Shepard didn't make it to the beam,so we wont even try"

but hackett saw the crucible open up. he had to have assumed it was Shep cuz, i mean, who else would it be?



No,i'm talking about the squadmates.think about it.
if they were alive they still would have ran to the beam since they were with you at that point.
And if there was search and rescue your squadmates would be badly injured and yet they get out of the normandy without even a scratch.

oh so are you talking about it from an IT point of view?

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DrTsoni wrote...


Yeah, I find my Shepard constantly using the Avenger in cutscene (in all 3 games, despite not even being able to use one until 3...then never actually using it) and taking a pistol off her back where an assault rifle would be, but this seems different enough to question. The others are just how the cutscenes work but...they force you into using the Carnifex, so why switch it right at the last second to a Predator? Unless it's in Shepard's head and s/he's confused, it makes no sense that they would make an effort to do this.


True, but I mean that video was made by freezing the game and moving around the camera. Nobody would really notice the difference unless they did that, and it could just be an easter egg or something.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

So I'm guessing EC will be like the end of inception... was he dreaming/having a mental battle?


I had that exact same connection. 

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ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Guys, I'm really scared about this EC. I'm sure it will "improve" the current endings, but I don't see any reason to believe IT is going to be proven correct. If anyone has any evidence to the contrary, please share.

I mean...they showed a picture of the scene explaining why Joker is leaving...which means it's real :(

Maybe he is telling the normandy to engage in a search and rescue for shepard?


C'mon!
What about the teleporting thing?
There is no possible way that he could have picked your squadmates up.
KEEP THAT IN MIND!

im saying maybe the whole thing is over, the teleport didnt actually happen, and now he wants them to conduct search and rescue. but i dont know and i wont know until EC comes out Posted Image


But are you forgetting about harbinger.
He would have made sure the place was clear.
and your squadmates looked fine when they were getting out of the ship.
And do you think they would think"Shepard didn't make it to the beam,so we wont even try"

but hackett saw the crucible open up. he had to have assumed it was Shep cuz, i mean, who else would it be?



No,i'm talking about the squadmates.think about it.
if they were alive they still would have ran to the beam since they were with you at that point.
And if there was search and rescue your squadmates would be badly injured and yet they get out of the normandy without even a scratch.

oh so are you talking about it from an IT point of view?


YES!!!

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RussianZombeh wrote...

Before the 8th of March 2012, the Bioware Social Network was a happy place. A place where the community of Mass Effect (and Dragon Age ;) ) could gather and talk about what they loved.

On the 8th of March 2012, 2 days after the release of Mass Effect 3; people began to finish the game. The ending became a hot topic of debate. It was like marmite, some hated and some loved it. Friction and tension started to rise in the Mass Effect community. Less than 1 day later, theories of Commander Shepard's indoctrination arose. The Indoctrination Theory was born, and so was the BSN Civil War.

The war tore the community into 3 parts. Those who believed the Theory, those who didn't and those who were neutral. What was once a peaceful place where people conversed and had fun had quickly become a warzone. People arguing everywhere, insults being thrown around. Countless hours spent studying the game for clues to support the Theory. Documentaries made, newspaper articles written. The ending and the Indoctrination Theory had all but disintegrated the Mass Effect community.

3 months later, the war still wages. But in 4 days, it will all end.
In 4 days, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut is released.
In 4 days, the truth will out.
In 4 days, this endless and bitter war will hopefully come to an end.



This war may end, but it will only usher in a new war where literalists will be battling indoctrinationists.

However, it still remains to be seen who will be on the losing side.


It will go one until THE DARK KNIGHT RiSES COMES OUT, plus ME4 if the start making it.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Well i'll be honest, some people say that if IT is not true they still be happy.

I'll be dissappointed when the EC is nothing more than a 'this is what happens to your squad, bye bye'

A "bye bye" that happens to need more space than LOTSB?

I've been saying it for months. There will be more to it.


Sorry if this has been answered already, but does anyone know how big the download is? Also, I KNEW it would be the 26th since announcement. First tuesday after summer started.


1.9GB. It says so there on the site.