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Salient Archer wrote...

ME handguns that look like the Carnifex are:
Ariake Raikou
Haliat Stiletto
HMWP Master Pistol [which is probably the one in the cinematic as HMWP was by Spectre Gear]

Edit: There's several more that have the same look but they come in alternative colors like all-red, etc]


As well as the Devlon Industries Stinger

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

ME handguns that look like the Carnifex are:
Ariake Raikou
Haliat Stiletto
HMWP Master Pistol [which is probably the one in the cinematic as HMWP was by Spectre Gear]

Edit: There's several more that have the same look but they come in alternative colors like all-red, etc]


As well as the Devlon Industries Stinger


Also I think it's safe to say the 'Predator' he uses at the end is the HMWP Advanced Pistol.

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Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

ME handguns that look like the Carnifex are:
Ariake Raikou
Haliat Stiletto
HMWP Master Pistol [which is probably the one in the cinematic as HMWP was by Spectre Gear]

Edit: There's several more that have the same look but they come in alternative colors like all-red, etc]


As well as the Devlon Industries Stinger


Also I think it's safe to say the 'Predator' he uses at the end is the HMWP Advanced Pistol.


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Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

ME handguns that look like the Carnifex are:
Ariake Raikou
Haliat Stiletto
HMWP Master Pistol [which is probably the one in the cinematic as HMWP was by Spectre Gear]

Edit: There's several more that have the same look but they come in alternative colors like all-red, etc]


As well as the Devlon Industries Stinger


Also I think it's safe to say the 'Predator' he uses at the end is the HMWP Advanced Pistol.


Although if it is the 'Predator' so to speak it's predecesor would be the Striker as they're both made by Elanus.

Oddly enough the maker of the Carnifex is unkown.

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double post

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Salient Archer wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

ME handguns that look like the Carnifex are:
Ariake Raikou
Haliat Stiletto
HMWP Master Pistol [which is probably the one in the cinematic as HMWP was by Spectre Gear]

Edit: There's several more that have the same look but they come in alternative colors like all-red, etc]


As well as the Devlon Industries Stinger


Also I think it's safe to say the 'Predator' he uses at the end is the HMWP Advanced Pistol.


Although if it is the 'Predator' so to speak it's predecesor would be the Striker as they're both made by Elanus.

Oddly enough the maker of the Carnifex is unkown.


Spectre advanced gear is only accessable via console. Only Spectre Master Gear can be found normally.

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paxxton wrote...

I understand that it might be difficult to overcome hatred towards such an enemy as the Reapers even once they become harmless.

Still if you encounter such technology it is part of your reality and studying it like you study for example animal behavior can be considered "learning and earning that technology".

Btw, you can't win a war with machines without being at least as analytical as they are.


1. Did you just say "Reapers" and "harmless" in the same sentence? Because NO.
2. Just which war with machines are you basing this on?

paxxton wrote...

I thought it would be cool if the whole game wasn't real and ME4 was the real game but honestly I doubt that. It would be like LOST which Casey Hudson already stated is not the case with ME3. Besides, it wouldn't be serious in the context of the Mass Effect franchise.


While it's technically possible, it would magnificently retarded. It would mean the entire game as we know it was pointless. All the emotion evoked by the wonderfully done stories of the genophage and the geth/quarian war would be utterly meaningless. No point feeling anything for Mordin, Thane, or Legion's deaths in future playthroughs because even in the game universe it never ****ing happens. And hope fans of new characters like Javik, Traynor, or Cortez because they never even existed to begin with! Only Vega does, and all we really know of him is what he says in the first 2 minutes.

Having the entire game be a hallucination might actually be worse than the pile of crap the literalists see as the ending. And that's not easy.

Arian Dynas wrote...

Know what I find ironic? Tali (and to an extent, Liara), and Ashley map pretty well to Aeire and Jaheria from Baldur's Gate 2, I chose Aeire in BG2, and apparently that's the "wrong" choice according to popular opinion, and yet when I choose Ash in Mass Effect, apparently I'm "wrong" again.


Jaheria. Wow. I haven't heard that name in forever. Man was she the naggiest, preachiest hemmoroid... every decision ever, she supports taking the good path. Then when you have high reputation from doing EXACTLY what she pesters you to do, she (female mabari)s about how you're not "seeking balance". People complained about Aerie's whining, but she didn't hold a candle to Jaheria's nagging. I haven't played that game in years and I still want to smack every druid I see.

Personally I preferred.. uhh, hell, I forgot her name. Blonde sorceress that was from a player mod.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
I choose Aeire as well in BG2.

In general across the Bioware games I have come to realize I like my women exotic with a dash of innocent/naivity

So... Morrigan, Merrill, Liara, Tali, Liara?


... Morrigan. Innocent and naive.

What is this I don't even

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

ME handguns that look like the Carnifex are:
Ariake Raikou
Haliat Stiletto
HMWP Master Pistol [which is probably the one in the cinematic as HMWP was by Spectre Gear]

Edit: There's several more that have the same look but they come in alternative colors like all-red, etc]


As well as the Devlon Industries Stinger


Also I think it's safe to say the 'Predator' he uses at the end is the HMWP Advanced Pistol.


Although if it is the 'Predator' so to speak it's predecesor would be the Striker as they're both made by Elanus.

Oddly enough the maker of the Carnifex is unkown.


Spectre advanced gear is only accessable via console. Only Spectre Master Gear can be found normally.


Oh right, it's been a while so I've lost track of how I got which guns {and what tampering I may have done to get them}

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Anyway I'm off, this gun isn't going to calibrate itself. Try not to discover anything too interesting, but if you do I won't hold it against you.

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paxxton wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

My friend, the original thread was 20% speculation, 30% re-explaining ideas and buried evidence for newbies, 20% arguments with trolls, 1% actual discussions with people whom had reasonable arguments, and 29% bull****ting waiting for something new to come up. Speak not of spamming to us.

LOL. Where did you come up with that numbers?


I tried this thing the literalists keep doing, I pulled it out of my ass.

That explains it.


Hmm, the literalists do seem to be very flexible with the ideals of reality. The old saying: "When a mans reach is greater than his grasp..." tends to come to mind.

Well, some people have a hard time thinking abstractly and instead decide to take everything at face value. I don't blame them unless they wage flame wars.


I don't think lacking the ability to think abstractly is what causes -- or caused, originally -- some to doubt IT. In my case it was the fact that this was a video game and I did not have any experience in expecting a video game to have an interpretative value. I certainly know it from books, movies, tv series...well established media.

I know that when I watch Mulholland Drive that I can't call the ending bad, disconnected writing, I know, when I watch Pulp Fiction that the director and all actors didn't mix up the scriptpages. That's because there's the experience, the co-basis of knowledge, that the story in movies can be more then meets the eye. I think it's because they are a derivative of theatre, which existed even back in ancient greece. Over the time a lot of authors came up with all sorts of crazy mindf*ucks.

That's not true for video games, especially for those with interactive stories. As Casey said in an interview, interactive story telling is very new. So people don't know yet what to expect from it -- not their fault with over-recycled, generic fps shooters.

That's just how people work to get through the day, we have to adjust to our surrounding by holding on to what's familiar. But from time to time, some individuals come along and try to walk outside of the common path and eventually they find something wonderfully new.; ideally others will follow...

TL;DR?
The IT situation is a direct application of Plato's Allegory of the cave.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 18 mai 2012 - 12:15 .


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But if gaming wants to be considered an art form, it needs to do more than crank out copies of 'generic modern fps'. If this ending fiasco does turn out to be a ridiculous convoluted viral marketing scheme, some people might have more respect for gaming.

...I live in hope.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 18 mai 2012 - 12:20 .


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Rifneno wrote...
*snip*

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
I choose Aeire as well in BG2.

In general across the Bioware games I have come to realize I like my women exotic with a dash of innocent/naivity

So... Morrigan, Merrill, Liara, Tali, Liara?


... Morrigan. Innocent and naive.

What is this I don't even


Innocent? Not really. Naive? Sure. Cynicism is a form of naivte, especially when backed up with a lack of experience, she had no idea what "the big city" was like until you took her, just some country girl from the marsh, faking a jaded attiude so as not to appear unitelligent or weak.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

 @ #3 Casey Hudson is on record as having stated that he wants the player to feel what Shepard feels, in all suitations, he also has a degree in Psychology, so he has the know-how, and he was involved with KoTOR, so he's not new to twist endings either.


You've said this before but I'm not sure he does, the final hours app mentions his engineering qualifications but not Psychology. Do you have a link or something to confirm this? I've tried a quick(and I mean a quick) google search but it doesn't come up with anything nor does Wikipedia(but this doesn't mean anything)

FWIW the only links I did find came back to this(or the previous threads, or another thread stating that Mac Walters also has a degree in Pschology(which he may do I don't know)

Modifié par bigstig, 18 mai 2012 - 12:48 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
*snip*

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
I choose Aeire as well in BG2.

In general across the Bioware games I have come to realize I like my women exotic with a dash of innocent/naivity

So... Morrigan, Merrill, Liara, Tali, Liara?


... Morrigan. Innocent and naive.

What is this I don't even


Innocent? Not really. Naive? Sure. Cynicism is a form of naivte, especially when backed up with a lack of experience, she had no idea what "the big city" was like until you took her, just some country girl from the marsh, faking a jaded attiude so as not to appear unitelligent or weak.


Yep. Especially the last part. Morrigan pissed me off a huge amount. I wanted to like her, because she's... y'know... really hot and stuff. But she was just an almighty pain in the arse. I'd try to be nice to make her like me... Morrigan disapproves -15. I'd try to say what I thought she wanted to hear to make her like me... Morrigan disapproves -15. I gave up pretty swiftly and went for Leilana. Who was also hot. And French.

She's just a contrary idiot.

Modifié par Sammuthegreat, 18 mai 2012 - 12:46 .


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bigstig wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

 @ #3 Casey Hudson is on record as having stated that he wants the player to feel what Shepard feels, in all suitations, he also has a degree in Psychology, so he has the know-how, and he was involved with KoTOR, so he's not new to twist endings either.


You've said this before but I'm not sure he does, the final hours app mentions his engineering qualifications but not Psychology. Do you have a link or something to confirm this? I've tried a quick(and I mean a quick) google search but it doesn't come up with anything nor does Wikipedia(but this doesn't mean anything)


I thought Mac had the pysche degree?

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bigstig wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

 @ #3 Casey Hudson is on record as having stated that he wants the player to feel what Shepard feels, in all suitations, he also has a degree in Psychology, so he has the know-how, and he was involved with KoTOR, so he's not new to twist endings either.


You've said this before but I'm not sure he does, the final hours app mentions his engineering qualifications but not Psychology. Do you have a link or something to confirm this? I've tried a quick(and I mean a quick) google search but it doesn't come up with anything nor does Wikipedia(but this doesn't mean anything)


Yeah, I remember Mac Walters being mentioned to have a degree in psychology. Come to think of it, it might just be a rumor.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Innocent? Not really. Naive? Sure. Cynicism is a form of naivte, especially when backed up with a lack of experience, she had no idea what "the big city" was like until you took her, just some country girl from the marsh, faking a jaded attiude so as not to appear unitelligent or weak.


Cynicism is not a form of naivety and I have no idea where you got the idea she was faking her attitude.  Not having spent significant time in a large metropolis doesn't make one naive either.

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

Yep. Especially the last part. Morrigan pissed me off a huge amount. I wanted to like her, because she's... y'know... really hot and stuff. But she was just an almighty pain in the arse. I'd try to be nice to make her like me... Morrigan disapproves -15. I'd try to say what I thought she wanted to hear to make her like me... Morrigan disapproves -15. I gave up pretty swiftly and went for Leilana. Who was also hot. And French.

She's just a contrary idiot.


My favorite part is how she says how stupid it is to make deals with demons (and it is), then gives disapproval if you don't let "Kitty" steal some little girl's soul in exchange for... I forget whatever stupid thing it was offering, doesn't matter.  Point is, Morrigan's a hypocritical ****.
Not sure why French is a plus for hotness.  Never found pit hair that attractive personally.

Edit: LOL at that word getting censored.  I've heard 2nd graders say that in front of their parents.

Modifié par Rifneno, 18 mai 2012 - 12:54 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Sammuthegreat wrote...

Yep. Especially the last part. Morrigan pissed me off a huge amount. I wanted to like her, because she's... y'know... really hot and stuff. But she was just an almighty pain in the arse. I'd try to be nice to make her like me... Morrigan disapproves -15. I'd try to say what I thought she wanted to hear to make her like me... Morrigan disapproves -15. I gave up pretty swiftly and went for Leilana. Who was also hot. And French.

She's just a contrary idiot.


My favorite part is how she says how stupid it is to make deals with demons (and it is), then gives disapproval if you don't let "Kitty" steal some little girl's soul in exchange for... I forget whatever stupid thing it was offering, doesn't matter.  Point is, Morrigan's a hypocritical ****.
Not sure why French is a plus for hotness.  Never found pit hair that attractive personally.


Can't say I ever noticed any pit hair on Leilana though :D she had a lovely accent though. You know, in the "actual French lady with pretty voice speeking-zee-Eeenglish" kind of way. Not in the "John Malkovich in Johnny English" way.

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anything interesting happen in the past 10 hours

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Sammuthegreat wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
*snip*

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
I choose Aeire as well in BG2.

In general across the Bioware games I have come to realize I like my women exotic with a dash of innocent/naivity

So... Morrigan, Merrill, Liara, Tali, Liara?


... Morrigan. Innocent and naive.

What is this I don't even


Innocent? Not really. Naive? Sure. Cynicism is a form of naivte, especially when backed up with a lack of experience, she had no idea what "the big city" was like until you took her, just some country girl from the marsh, faking a jaded attiude so as not to appear unitelligent or weak.


Yep. Especially the last part. Morrigan pissed me off a huge amount. I wanted to like her, because she's... y'know... really hot and stuff. But she was just an almighty pain in the arse. I'd try to be nice to make her like me... Morrigan disapproves -15. I'd try to say what I thought she wanted to hear to make her like me... Morrigan disapproves -15. I gave up pretty swiftly and went for Leilana. Who was also hot. And French.

She's just a contrary idiot.


She's like me, to be honest, or at least how I was for most of high school, and still am to some extent, afraid to open up to people, for fear they might manipulate or hurt her, so she fends of freinds and foes alike with her tongue.

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bigstig wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

 @ #3 Casey Hudson is on record as having stated that he wants the player to feel what Shepard feels, in all suitations, he also has a degree in Psychology, so he has the know-how, and he was involved with KoTOR, so he's not new to twist endings either.


You've said this before but I'm not sure he does, the final hours app mentions his engineering qualifications but not Psychology. Do you have a link or something to confirm this? I've tried a quick(and I mean a quick) google search but it doesn't come up with anything nor does Wikipedia(but this doesn't mean anything)

FWIW the only links I did find came back to this(or the previous threads, or another thread stating that Mac Walters also has a degree in Pschology(which he may do I don't know)


Simplest way, let's have someone go on twitter and ask "Hey! Casey! Do you have a psychology degree?"

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Arian Dynas wrote...

She's like me, to be honest, or at least how I was for most of high school, and still am to some extent, afraid to open up to people, for fear they might manipulate or hurt her, so she fends of freinds and foes alike with her tongue.


Sorry, not trying to accuse you of beign anything here but, Morrigan is a terribly, annoying emo character.. if you knew her IRL you'd tell her to go F**K herself after 5 minutes..

Also I have a good gothic friend who introduced me to her circle of goths and emos.... and even they are not as half irritating as Morrigan is... she pretty much ruined my interest in Dragon Age.

You know a very well written, bad ass character, that does not need to be an emo and a douchebag to be cool? Zaeed.

Anyhow back on IT guys or the mods will be on your case :)

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 18 mai 2012 - 01:11 .


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Arian Dynas wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

 @ #3 Casey Hudson is on record as having stated that he wants the player to feel what Shepard feels, in all suitations, he also has a degree in Psychology, so he has the know-how, and he was involved with KoTOR, so he's not new to twist endings either.


You've said this before but I'm not sure he does, the final hours app mentions his engineering qualifications but not Psychology. Do you have a link or something to confirm this? I've tried a quick(and I mean a quick) google search but it doesn't come up with anything nor does Wikipedia(but this doesn't mean anything)

FWIW the only links I did find came back to this(or the previous threads, or another thread stating that Mac Walters also has a degree in Pschology(which he may do I don't know)


Simplest way, let's have someone go on twitter and ask "Hey! Casey! Do you have a psychology degree?"


I thought it was one the writers who has the degree?

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MadRabbit999 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

She's like me, to be honest, or at least how I was for most of high school, and still am to some extent, afraid to open up to people, for fear they might manipulate or hurt her, so she fends of freinds and foes alike with her tongue.


Sorry, not trying to accuse you of beign anything here but, Morrigan is a terribly, annoying emo character.. if you knew her IRL you'd tell her to go F**K herself after 5 minutes..

Also I have a good gothic friend who introduced me to her circle of goths and emos.... and even they are not as half irritating as Morrigan is... she pretty much ruined my interest in Dragon Age.

You know a very well written, bad ass character, that does not need to be an emo and a douchebag to be cool? Zaeed.

Anyhow back on IT guys or the mods will be on your case :)


Zaeed is a douchebag though.... but a loveable one!!!!!