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[Salient Archer]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Hmm, I just hope for an explanation on how Shepard survived in the destroy ending cinematic, Considering it defies both everyday science and logic I'd like an explanation that doesn't need me to rewrite the rules of physics and thermal dynamics to have it make sense.

Our explanation: It never happened.

Anti-IT and Literalists:


I prefer the logical conclusion thankyouveramuch.

Exactly, a lot of literalists that have tried to challenge the post I made about how it's physically impossible to survive the citadel explosion only ever answer with:

"BioWare got lazy" - Possible, but doubtful (They did just make a 2GB ending for free)
"A wizard did it" - Do I even need to go there?
"He found a bunker with a kinetic barrier" - When, how and barriers don't work like that.
"He ran to one of the wards" - So Shepard could access the speed force this whole time?

As only one of them is a logical answer and a doubtful one at that, I'll take science as proof of things not seeming what they really are.

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Ohai

Hai

[BatmanTurian]

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Shepard for Space-Hitler. Heil, Synthesis.

This I get not at all.  I am hoping it means you think synthesis is bad for some reason?

For some reason? You mean there is actually a reason Synthesis isn't bad? do tell...

[BatmanTurian]

Salient Archer wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Hmm, I just hope for an explanation on how Shepard survived in the destroy ending cinematic, Considering it defies both everyday science and logic I'd like an explanation that doesn't need me to rewrite the rules of physics and thermal dynamics to have it make sense.

Our explanation: It never happened.

Anti-IT and Literalists:


I prefer the logical conclusion thankyouveramuch.

Exactly, a lot of literalists that have tried to challenge the post I made about how it's physically impossible to survive the citadel explosion only ever answer with:

"BioWare got lazy" - Possible, but doubtful (They did just make a 2GB ending for free)
"A wizard did it" - Do I even need to go there?
"He found a bunker with a kinetic barrier" - When, how and barriers don't work like that.
"He ran to one of the wards" - So Shepard could access the speed force this whole time?

As only one of them is a logical answer and a doubtful one at that, I'll take science as proof of things not seeming what they really are.

Yes, the logical conclusion is that the Catalyst made Shepard into Superman. Totally makes sense. It's all so clear now.

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Shepard for Space-Hitler. Heil, Synthesis.

This I get not at all.  I am hoping it means you think synthesis is bad for some reason?

For some reason? You mean there is actually a reason Synthesis isn't bad? do tell...

It deeply depresses me that some people agree with synthesis.

[BleedingUranium]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

That's what I meant, a forced and heavy handed symbolism.  Shep wants to save everyone but right at the start here's a kid he tries to help, the same kid he watched play while he sits in "confinement" and fails.  It plagues him throughout the game.

And that's what I mean: the heavy-handed symbolism could have been done much simpler.  This feels premeditated, and ethereal.  At least to me. Not to mention the fact that the kid disappears without making a peep in the echoing vent, and nobody actually sees the kid other than Shepard.

And the Reaper growl, and the dreams, and the Catalyst. On one hand IT seems 200% true, but based on what BW is giving us it sounds like delusion. I feel like I'm in two worlds.

But what is the point of making a giant switcheroo and then telling no one?  Movies with huge twists actually reveal them.  If they had tried a reveal that ME3 was all a dream, I actually would have asked for my money back.  Nothing is lamer than trying to walk back your artistic choices by disavowing the reality of your made up world.  Boxing Helena for instance made me want to puke.

I get what you're saying, and I would like IT confirmed (or deconfirmed), but I think with so many clues, hints, and similar, they might not ever say for sure, you'd just be expected to understand it.

Well they already tried that. This thread is a product of that vision.

Yeah, I know, but I think it's equally likely that they'll either confirm IT in EC, or just add super hints. The weirdest thing is there's going to be added stuff before the beam, which could work for IT, but I can't possibly see what point there would be in doing that for the literal ending, because there's nothing that needs explaining before the beam

[Baa Baa]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Shepard for Space-Hitler. Heil, Synthesis.

This I get not at all.  I am hoping it means you think synthesis is bad for some reason?

For some reason? You mean there is actually a reason Synthesis isn't bad? do tell...

It deeply depresses me that some people agree with synthesis.

Agreed

[Rifneno]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

He might have just ment they'll add more IT hints but not make it vague.

Still not good enough. We want an ending. Leaving it up in the air is not acceptable. We were told this is the end of Shepard's story and that's what we want. We were told Shepard is the (wo)man responsible for ending the Reaper threat. That's what we want. And if they expect many of us to still be consumers when their next game comes out, that's what we demand.

It's real simple. We were told this is a trilogy and the Reaper threat would be over afterwards. You know what it would be for them to try (unsuccessfully) to milk this cashcow by dragging it out further with a cliffhanger on the third? ... Ironically as hell, it would be called "betraying their artistic integrity."

FellishBeast wrote...

I wish they'd give us a "Reapers win" ending. I'd just go with that and forget about the space magic.

They told us that there would in fact be a "Reapers win" ending. No uncertain terms. Of course, it'd be like the "Lavos wins" ending of Chrono Trigger but there nonetheless.

Dwailing wrote...

I'll admit, even I'm having doubts at this point. However, I still think that IT is going to be what they do. It just seems too obvious once you know what you need to look for.

I have no doubts in IT. My only doubts are in whether they did the stupidest thing they could do and have EC accomplish nothing at all and leave it still ambiguous.

BleedingUranium wrote...

I get what you're saying, and I would like IT confirmed (or deconfirmed), but I think with so many clues, hints, and similar, they might not ever say for sure, you'd just be expected to understand it.

They don't confirm or deny it without question then the bridgeburners will be more than a Malazan reference they slapped into a war asset. It'll be the designers of this series when they release Mass Effect 4 to sales that make Daikatana look like a success because they burned every bridge with every hardcore fan they have.

[liggy002]

I hold out some small hope for the IT for some reason but it really doesn't look good. And so, I will not be holding out my wallet anymore. I refuse to support this catastrophe.

[cavs25]

They are going to do what I feared.
No one is wrong, it is what you think is it.
I hate this type of ambigous story telling

[dreamgazer]

memorysquid wrote...

Like I said, there's a difference between poor writing and IT being correct.  Why for instance would a Reaper blast two defenseless shuttles rather than targeting the Normandy just hovering there a couple hundred yards out with its pant down after having just blasted a bunch of Cannibals?  You know why?  Because then the game would have lasted only 10 minutes.  Carping about some lacuna in the writers' reasoning is fine, if ultimately pointless.  Demanding that what you think makes sense should be substituted is not fine.

Think it could have something to do with the fact that Shepard's on-board the Normandy, and that the Reapers have vested interest and don't want him/her dead?

[Abreu Road]

 Guys, sorry to ask this (probably again)

but they said something about gameplay changes? Like on Priority Earth? Additional content or something like that?

thx

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

That's what I meant, a forced and heavy handed symbolism.  Shep wants to save everyone but right at the start here's a kid he tries to help, the same kid he watched play while he sits in "confinement" and fails.  It plagues him throughout the game.

And that's what I mean: the heavy-handed symbolism could have been done much simpler.  This feels premeditated, and ethereal.  At least to me. Not to mention the fact that the kid disappears without making a peep in the echoing vent, and nobody actually sees the kid other than Shepard.

And the Reaper growl, and the dreams, and the Catalyst. On one hand IT seems 200% true, but based on what BW is giving us it sounds like delusion. I feel like I'm in two worlds.

But what is the point of making a giant switcheroo and then telling no one?  Movies with huge twists actually reveal them.  If they had tried a reveal that ME3 was all a dream, I actually would have asked for my money back.  Nothing is lamer than trying to walk back your artistic choices by disavowing the reality of your made up world.  Boxing Helena for instance made me want to puke.

I get what you're saying, and I would like IT confirmed (or deconfirmed), but I think with so many clues, hints, and similar, they might not ever say for sure, you'd just be expected to understand it.

Well they already tried that. This thread is a product of that vision.

Yeah, I know, but I think it's equally likely that they'll either confirm IT in EC, or just add super hints. The weirdest thing is there's going to be added stuff before the beam, which could work for IT, but I can't possibly see what point there would be in doing that for the literal ending, because there's nothing that needs explaining before the beam

Yeah that it certainly weird. I'm going to finish my playthrough tonight or tomorrow so I can clearly remember the original end sequence incase the added parts are not too obvious.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 23 juin 2012 - 03:11 .

[BatmanTurian]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Shepard for Space-Hitler. Heil, Synthesis.

This I get not at all.  I am hoping it means you think synthesis is bad for some reason?

For some reason? You mean there is actually a reason Synthesis isn't bad? do tell...

It deeply depresses me that some people agree with synthesis.

You'd think a world war, a Haulocaust, the physics impossibility of it (laws of thermodynamics) and other things would make anyone cringe. But no, apparently space magic eugenics is just dandy.

[memorysquid]

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

But what is the point of making a giant switcheroo and then telling no one?  Movies with huge twists actually reveal them.  If they had tried a reveal that ME3 was all a dream, I actually would have asked for my money back.  Nothing is lamer than trying to walk back your artistic choices by disavowing the reality of your made up world.  Boxing Helena for instance made me want to puke.

I don't know, maybe you were supposed to use your brain? I know that sounds wierd in a sci-fi setting but bear with me...

Using your brain a good thing.  Using your brain to invent evidence out of whole cloth is not a good thing.  Any story at all could have "And the main character in it was really a brain in a jar!" slapped onto it without contradicting most of the story.  You need decent reasons to assume the statement would be true though.  Movies like Memento, The Usual Suspects, etc., make sense without the reveal, they just don't make the same sense.  Without the reveal, you have no reason to assume Guy Pearce is inventing his past, no reason to assume Kevin Spacey made it all up.  Unless they are lying, and they don't clarify the endings but slap Shepard waking up onto the end, IT is just a neat idea that happens not to reflect anything in ME3.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I wish they'd give us a "Reapers win" ending. I'd just go with that and forget about the space magic.

They told us that there would in fact be a "Reapers win" ending. No uncertain terms. Of course, it'd be like the "Lavos wins" ending of Chrono Trigger but there nonetheless.

I think this is a very strong IT point, because the Reapers can't win in the literal ending.

[masster blaster]

cavs25 wrote...

They are going to do what I feared.
No one is wrong, it is what you think is it.
I hate this type of ambigous story telling

Or mutiple endings with multiple storys/ theorys of what happened to Shepard.

[Humakt83]

liggy002 wrote...

I hold out some small hope for the IT for some reason but it really doesn't look good. And so, I will not be holding out my wallet anymore. I refuse to support this catastrophe.

I'd play the EC out before condemning.

Abreu Road wrote...

 Guys, sorry to ask this (probably again)

but they said something about gameplay changes? Like on Priority Earth? Additional content or something like that?

thx

 

Majority of the content supposedly occurs before the beam.

Modifié par Humakt83, 23 juin 2012 - 03:13 .

[TiminatorT2000]

Abreu Road wrote...

 Guys, sorry to ask this (probably again)

but they said something about gameplay changes? Like on Priority Earth? Additional content or something like that?

thx

I don't think there's more gameplay, there is comfirmed content as soon as you get to the cerbeus base attack mission.

[liggy002]

cavs25 wrote...

They are going to do what I feared.
No one is wrong, it is what you think is it.
I hate this type of ambigous story telling

It's unacceptable.   I wont stand for it.

[memorysquid]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Shepard for Space-Hitler. Heil, Synthesis.

This I get not at all.  I am hoping it means you think synthesis is bad for some reason?

For some reason? You mean there is actually a reason Synthesis isn't bad? do tell...

It deeply depresses me that some people agree with synthesis.

You'd think a world war, a Haulocaust, the physics impossibility of it (laws of thermodynamics) and other things would make anyone cringe. But no, apparently space magic eugenics is just dandy.

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

[Abreu Road]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

Abreu Road wrote...

 Guys, sorry to ask this (probably again)

but they said something about gameplay changes? Like on Priority Earth? Additional content or something like that?

thx

I don't think there's more gameplay, there is comfirmed content as soon as you get to the cerbeus base attack mission.

So there is additional content before Star Brat. That's good.

Thanks!

[BleedingUranium]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Yeah that it certainly weird. I'm going to finish my playthrough tonight or tomorrow so I can clearly remember the original end sequence incase the added parts are not too obvious.

Well I'm coming over tomorrow, so I'll finish mine too, I'm right before the Cerberus Base

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 23 juin 2012 - 03:13 .

[TiminatorT2000]

BleedingUranium wrote...



I think this is a very strong IT point, because the Reapers can't win in the literal ending.

They told us a lot of things that they never followed through with, like there would be 16 different endings.

[liggy002]

Humakt83 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

I hold out some small hope for the IT for some reason but it really doesn't look good. And so, I will not be holding out my wallet anymore. I refuse to support this catastrophe.

I'd play the EC out before condemning.

   Yes, of course.  Merizan confirmed there was no combat though.  I know that people have said you can't take what she says at face value but after seeing that video with Walters and Hudson, it just feels like the truth to me.  No combat = no more Bioware for me.

  I really do hope I am wrong.