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[FellishBeast]

David7204 wrote...

I feel sick.

[memorysquid]

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

Synthesis is rape of the entire galaxy, making everyone into the same master race, oh and it rapes physics too. It's just all kinds of stupid on a literal level in the game.

No it isn't, because the writers didn't say it was.  They said it was space magic roboDNA evolution, which needn't make everyone the same race at all.  EDI still looks like EDI; Jeff just has glowy eyes and a circuit imprint on his skin and Garrus still looks Turian.  You need to distinguish between the products of your own mind and external [or in this case internal] reality. 

So much of the game violates physics including the FTL travel and eezo, that your complaint is picayune.  It is sci-fi; if they didn't make things up it wouldn't be very interesting as sci-fi now would it?

[BatmanTurian]

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

You really have less than no idea what you're talking about.  While a few bends in realism are unavoidable in any science fiction, they've bent over backwards to keep Mass Effect as scientifically grounded as possible.  QEC, the science behind the javelin sniper rifle, the... you know what?  Here.  An article by someone with more scientific credentials than you or I even know to exist and he's praising ME's incredibly attention to scientific realism.

Thanks, Rif. That's an awesome article. Didn't know it existed.

[balance5050]

Just heard the news, listened to the interview. Someone mentioned screenshots?

[FellishBeast]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

I hold out some small hope for the IT for some reason but it really doesn't look good. And so, I will not be holding out my wallet anymore. I refuse to support this catastrophe.

I'd play the EC out before condemning.

   Yes, of course.  Merizan confirmed there was no combat though.  I know that people have said you can't take what she says at face value but after seeing that video with Walters and Hudson, it just feels like the truth to me.  No combat = no more Bioware for me.

  I really do hope I am wrong.

Serious question: What would any new combat entail/why would we need any?

Well on the most basic level? A fight with Harbinger. I think that is essential.

I would love to see a fight with your own squad or other Spectres or something along those lines, however. As different options, that is.

[Rifneno]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

You really have less than no idea what you're talking about.  While a few bends in realism are unavoidable in any science fiction, they've bent over backwards to keep Mass Effect as scientifically grounded as possible.  QEC, the science behind the javelin sniper rifle, the... you know what?  Here.  An article by someone with more scientific credentials than you or I even know to exist and he's praising ME's incredibly attention to scientific realism.

Thanks, Rif. That's an awesome article. Didn't know it existed.

Neither did I.  I just googled "science of mass effect" about a minute before hitting the "submit" button. 

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

But what is the point of making a giant switcheroo and then telling no one?  Movies with huge twists actually reveal them.  If they had tried a reveal that ME3 was all a dream, I actually would have asked for my money back.  Nothing is lamer than trying to walk back your artistic choices by disavowing the reality of your made up world.  Boxing Helena for instance made me want to puke.

I don't know, maybe you were supposed to use your brain? I know that sounds wierd in a sci-fi setting but bear with me...

Using your brain a good thing.  Using your brain to invent evidence out of whole cloth is not a good thing.  Any story at all could have "And the main character in it was really a brain in a jar!" slapped onto it without contradicting most of the story.  You need decent reasons to assume the statement would be true though.  Movies like Memento, The Usual Suspects, etc., make sense without the reveal, they just don't make the same sense.  Without the reveal, you have no reason to assume Guy Pearce is inventing his past, no reason to assume Kevin Spacey made it all up.  Unless they are lying, and they don't clarify the endings but slap Shepard waking up onto the end, IT is just a neat idea that happens not to reflect anything in ME3.

It's hilarious when you say Indoctrination Theory doesn't reflect anything in the ME universe when indoctrination has been the main reaper weapon since day one. It's like saying Daedra don't exist in the Elder Scrolls universe and that their influence and the fact that they speak to the player doesn't mean they exist or that they could influence the player.

Way to ignore the forest for the trees.  There are husks in the ME universe too.  I can come up with a consistent theory that Shep is a husk; absent evidence from the writers, I'd be as wrong as you.  When did Shep spend a lot of time around a Reaper or Reaper indoctrination device?  Never.  So your theory is unsupported by evidence.

OMG, are you serious? NEVER? WTF has Shepard been doing through all three games?

No, you can't seriously be this dense... You've got to be trolling.

It's ok. Stay calm. It's a rare unfortunately quite common breed of human that does not adhere to any logical or sensical points of view. In layman's terms: an idiot.

[memorysquid]

Salient Archer wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

But Shepard surviving Destroy is all kinds of stupid. Like multiple kinds that require brain damage to accept.

But yet people accept it ... guess it just demonstrates how far the suspension of reality has gone ... I for one blame Michael Bay for this cultural phenomenon.

I accept that Bioware evidently wrote some nonsense.  I have chosen not to rail about that particular piece of nonsense with any greater vitriol that any of the other nonsense they threw into ME.  If anything, things like that Destroy ... my suspension of disbelief.

[BatmanTurian]

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

Synthesis is rape of the entire galaxy, making everyone into the same master race, oh and it rapes physics too. It's just all kinds of stupid on a literal level in the game.

No it isn't, because the writers didn't say it was.  They said it was space magic roboDNA evolution, which needn't make everyone the same race at all.  EDI still looks like EDI; Jeff just has glowy eyes and a circuit imprint on his skin and Garrus still looks Turian.  You need to distinguish between the products of your own mind and external [or in this case internal] reality. 

So much of the game violates physics including the FTL travel and eezo, that your complaint is picayune.  It is sci-fi; if they didn't make things up it wouldn't be very interesting as sci-fi now would it?

eezo is made up. But we're not talking about eezo. (also ftl would be possible with eezo and accelerators) We're talking about every living thing having circuitry. Quite frankly, you seem to have no knowledge about science if you think that Synthesis is possible in a game world that pays close attention to real-world physics.

[liggy002]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

I hold out some small hope for the IT for some reason but it really doesn't look good. And so, I will not be holding out my wallet anymore. I refuse to support this catastrophe.

I'd play the EC out before condemning.

   Yes, of course.  Merizan confirmed there was no combat though.  I know that people have said you can't take what she says at face value but after seeing that video with Walters and Hudson, it just feels like the truth to me.  No combat = no more Bioware for me.

  I really do hope I am wrong.

Serious question: What would any new combat entail/why would we need any?

A showdown with Harbinger.  This should have been in Mass Effect 3.  Mass Effect 2 called for it on every level.  Harbinger was put in there to mislead us into thinking Mass Effect 3 would be epic.  The truth hurts.  Mass Effect 3 is trash.

[BansheeOwnage]

FellishBeast wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

I hold out some small hope for the IT for some reason but it really doesn't look good. And so, I will not be holding out my wallet anymore. I refuse to support this catastrophe.

I'd play the EC out before condemning.

   Yes, of course.  Merizan confirmed there was no combat though.  I know that people have said you can't take what she says at face value but after seeing that video with Walters and Hudson, it just feels like the truth to me.  No combat = no more Bioware for me.

  I really do hope I am wrong.

Serious question: What would any new combat entail/why would we need any?

Well on the most basic level? A fight with Harbinger. I think that is essential.

I would love to see a fight with your own squad or other Spectres or something along those lines, however. As different options, that is.

Thanks. Somehow I forgot about one of my favourite characters (I like bad guys).

[Rifneno]

Salient Archer wrote...

But yet people accept it ... guess it just demonstrates how far the suspension of reality has gone ... I for one blame Michael Bay for this cultural phenomenon.

I blame that professor Arian had who thought Armageddon was a realistic depiction of an asteroid headed to Earth.

...  Seriously, I've met husks that could see that movie was just a special effects orgy.

[masster blaster]

Bioware:Are you ready to bring the might of the galaxy to the Reapers.

Fans: Hell ya.

Bioware: then let's make this quick.

[BleedingUranium]

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

Synthesis is rape of the entire galaxy, making everyone into the same master race, oh and it rapes physics too. It's just all kinds of stupid on a literal level in the game.

No it isn't, because the writers didn't say it was.  They said it was space magic roboDNA evolution, which needn't make everyone the same race at all.  EDI still looks like EDI; Jeff just has glowy eyes and a circuit imprint on his skin and Garrus still looks Turian.  You need to distinguish between the products of your own mind and external [or in this case internal] reality. 

So much of the game violates physics including the FTL travel and eezo, that your complaint is picayune.  It is sci-fi; if they didn't make things up it wouldn't be very interesting as sci-fi now would it?

eezo is made up. But we're not talking about eezo. (also ftl would be possible with eezo and accelerators) We're talking about every living thing having circuitry. Quite frankly, you seem to have no knowledge about science if you think that Synthesis is possible in a game world that pays close attention to real-world physics.

That's the thing, Eezo is made up, but the basic idea of how it works actually makes sense! I read that a long time ago and don't have a link  Basically, it's fictional, but makes scientific sense. Synthesis does not. At all.

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

But yet people accept it ... guess it just demonstrates how far the suspension of reality has gone ... I for one blame Michael Bay for this cultural phenomenon.

I blame that professor Arian had who thought Armageddon was a realistic depiction of an asteroid headed to Earth.

...  Seriously, I've met husks that could see that movie was just a special effects orgy.

Could be wrong, but didn't he think that the realistic part was what people would do on the ground?

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

Synthesis is rape of the entire galaxy, making everyone into the same master race, oh and it rapes physics too. It's just all kinds of stupid on a literal level in the game.

No it isn't, because the writers didn't say it was.  They said it was space magic roboDNA evolution, which needn't make everyone the same race at all.  EDI still looks like EDI; Jeff just has glowy eyes and a circuit imprint on his skin and Garrus still looks Turian.  You need to distinguish between the products of your own mind and external [or in this case internal] reality. 

So much of the game violates physics including the FTL travel and eezo, that your complaint is picayune.  It is sci-fi; if they didn't make things up it wouldn't be very interesting as sci-fi now would it?

eezo is made up. But we're not talking about eezo. (also ftl would be possible with eezo and accelerators) We're talking about every living thing having circuitry. Quite frankly, you seem to have no knowledge about science if you think that Synthesis is possible in a game world that pays close attention to real-world physics.

That's the thing, Eezo is made up, but the basic idea of how it works actually makes sense! I read that a long time ago and don't have a link  Basically, it's fictional, but makes scientific sense. Synthesis does not. At all.

Exactly. If eezo was real, it would actually, truly make sense. I almost hope we find something like it someday but it's unlikely unless there are still truly unique and alien elements we just haven't discovered yet. LHC spits out all kinds of wierd particles that we didn't know existed that exist for fractions of a second when they spit two particles at each other at near the speed of light. So it's quite possible that there might be some wierd stuff out there we just don't know about or understand yet.

[memorysquid]

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

You really have less than no idea what you're talking about.  While a few bends in realism are unavoidable in any science fiction, they've bent over backwards to keep Mass Effect as scientifically grounded as possible.  QEC, the science behind the javelin sniper rifle, the... you know what?  Here.  An article by someone with more scientific credentials than you or I even know to exist and he's praising ME's incredibly attention to scientific realism.

Except that article says none of that except that they cribbed a lot from contemporary planetary astronomy.  Eezo?  Mass effect?  Made up.  No real world congruence - both completely central to the game.  The explanation of why we wouldn't just smash things at light speed into the Reapers?  Reapers designed FTL flight computers and no one has bothered to redesign.  There are just all manner of errors large, huge and gaping; carping about roboDNA being particularly nonsensical is just weird.

[Rifneno]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

But yet people accept it ... guess it just demonstrates how far the suspension of reality has gone ... I for one blame Michael Bay for this cultural phenomenon.

I blame that professor Arian had who thought Armageddon was a realistic depiction of an asteroid headed to Earth.

...  Seriously, I've met husks that could see that movie was just a special effects orgy.

Could be wrong, but didn't he think that the realistic part was what people would do on the ground?

No, I said that.  That the only realistic part was the pandemonium on Earth.  He apparently thought that the first thing they do by standard protocol is to contact an oil driller and give him a hydrogen bomb.

[FellishBeast]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

I hold out some small hope for the IT for some reason but it really doesn't look good. And so, I will not be holding out my wallet anymore. I refuse to support this catastrophe.

I'd play the EC out before condemning.

   Yes, of course.  Merizan confirmed there was no combat though.  I know that people have said you can't take what she says at face value but after seeing that video with Walters and Hudson, it just feels like the truth to me.  No combat = no more Bioware for me.

  I really do hope I am wrong.

Serious question: What would any new combat entail/why would we need any?

Well on the most basic level? A fight with Harbinger. I think that is essential.

I would love to see a fight with your own squad or other Spectres or something along those lines, however. As different options, that is.

Thanks. Somehow I forgot about one of my favourite characters (I like bad guys).

Me too. 

I think it's necessary that they get a good send-off. 

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

Synthesis is rape of the entire galaxy, making everyone into the same master race, oh and it rapes physics too. It's just all kinds of stupid on a literal level in the game.

No it isn't, because the writers didn't say it was.  They said it was space magic roboDNA evolution, which needn't make everyone the same race at all.  EDI still looks like EDI; Jeff just has glowy eyes and a circuit imprint on his skin and Garrus still looks Turian.  You need to distinguish between the products of your own mind and external [or in this case internal] reality. 

So much of the game violates physics including the FTL travel and eezo, that your complaint is picayune.  It is sci-fi; if they didn't make things up it wouldn't be very interesting as sci-fi now would it?

eezo is made up. But we're not talking about eezo. (also ftl would be possible with eezo and accelerators) We're talking about every living thing having circuitry. Quite frankly, you seem to have no knowledge about science if you think that Synthesis is possible in a game world that pays close attention to real-world physics.

That's the thing, Eezo is made up, but the basic idea of how it works actually makes sense! I read that a long time ago and don't have a link  Basically, it's fictional, but makes scientific sense. Synthesis does not. At all.

Exactly. If eezo was real, it would actually, truly make sense. I almost hope we find something like it someday but it's unlikely unless there are still truly unique and alien elements we just haven't discovered yet. LHC spits out all kinds of wierd particles that we didn't know existed that exist for fractions of a second when they spit two particles at each other at near the speed of light. So it's quite possible that there might be some wierd stuff out there we just don't know about or understand yet.

We humans have most definately just scratched the surface. Unfortunately, we were born too early.

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

But yet people accept it ... guess it just demonstrates how far the suspension of reality has gone ... I for one blame Michael Bay for this cultural phenomenon.

I blame that professor Arian had who thought Armageddon was a realistic depiction of an asteroid headed to Earth.

...  Seriously, I've met husks that could see that movie was just a special effects orgy.

Could be wrong, but didn't he think that the realistic part was what people would do on the ground?

No, I said that.  That the only realistic part was the pandemonium on Earth.  He apparently thought that the first thing they do by standard protocol is to contact an oil driller and give him a hydrogen bomb.

Sorry, a while ago.

[Rifneno]

memorysquid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

You really have less than no idea what you're talking about.  While a few bends in realism are unavoidable in any science fiction, they've bent over backwards to keep Mass Effect as scientifically grounded as possible.  QEC, the science behind the javelin sniper rifle, the... you know what?  Here.  An article by someone with more scientific credentials than you or I even know to exist and he's praising ME's incredibly attention to scientific realism.

Except that article says none of that except that they cribbed a lot from contemporary planetary astronomy.  Eezo?  Mass effect?  Made up.  No real world congruence - both completely central to the game.  The explanation of why we wouldn't just smash things at light speed into the Reapers?  Reapers designed FTL flight computers and no one has bothered to redesign.  There are just all manner of errors large, huge and gaping; carping about roboDNA being particularly nonsensical is just weird.

What part of "a few bends are unavoidable" was too hard to understand?  There's no known method of FTL travel.  FTL travel is needed for fiction that expands beyond the Sol system.  Therefor something has be be made on a fictional basis.  Two plus two equals what?

[D.Sharrah]

This will be my last post before I play the EC...and I type this with a degree of sadness. The past three months I have learned more about ME and the poeple that play it, than I ever could have imagined. I came to realize that the passion for this universe runs so deeply with us that it can lead us to be quite emtional and illogical at times. I think that this is one of the moments...I encourage everyone to take a deep breath. This is a moment that we have waited for...we should be celebrating it...but instead I see a lot of sniping. I believe in IT, but my passion for ME does not rely on it. I refuse to pass judgement on the EC until I actually play it. I will silently be holding the line and hoping that Bioware delivers a truly satisfying experience. With that being said, until later next week I will leave you with the words...it truly has been a pleasure.

David Sharrah

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 23 juin 2012 - 03:47 .

[FellishBeast]

Guys...how much money would it cost for us to hire BioWare to create a fan fiction DLC for us expanding on IT?

Edit: For those wondering, yes I am on the bargaining stage of grief, but I am serious.

Modifié par FellishBeast, 23 juin 2012 - 03:43 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

You really have less than no idea what you're talking about.  While a few bends in realism are unavoidable in any science fiction, they've bent over backwards to keep Mass Effect as scientifically grounded as possible.  QEC, the science behind the javelin sniper rifle, the... you know what?  Here.  An article by someone with more scientific credentials than you or I even know to exist and he's praising ME's incredibly attention to scientific realism.

Except that article says none of that except that they cribbed a lot from contemporary planetary astronomy.  Eezo?  Mass effect?  Made up.  No real world congruence - both completely central to the game.  The explanation of why we wouldn't just smash things at light speed into the Reapers?  Reapers designed FTL flight computers and no one has bothered to redesign.  There are just all manner of errors large, huge and gaping; carping about roboDNA being particularly nonsensical is just weird.

What part of "a few bends are unavoidable" was too hard to understand?  There's no known method of FTL travel.  FTL travel is needed for fiction that expands beyond the Sol system.  Therefor something has be be made on a fictional basis.  Two plus two equals what?

To add to this a little: the "mass effect" is created by eezo so they're one in the same. Eezo is basically the only fictional element (lol) in the ME universe.