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[dreamgazer]

memorysquid wrote...

There are just all manner of errors large, huge and gaping; carping about roboDNA being particularly nonsensical is just weird.

There's a massive difference between explicitly-explored fictional tech and widespread implementation of DNA realignment across all forms of life, both synthetic and organic. 

[FellishBeast]

D.Sharrah wrote...

This will be my last post before I play the EC...and I type this with a degree of sadness. The past three months I have learned more about ME and the poeple that play it, than I ever could have imagined. I came to realize that the passion for this universe runs so deeply with us that it can lead us to be quite emtional and illogical at times. I think that this is one of the moments...I encourage everyone to take a deep breath. This is a moment that we have waited for...we should be celebrating it...but instead I see a lot of sniping. I believe int IT, but my passion for ME does not rely on it. I refuse to pass judgement on the EC until I actually play it. I will silently be holding the line and hoping that Bioware delivers a truly satisfying experience. With that being said, until later next week I will leave you with the words...it truly has been a pleasure.

David Sharrah

*salutes*
Enjoy your shore leave, collegue.

Modifié par FellishBeast, 23 juin 2012 - 03:45 .

[memorysquid]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

Synthesis is rape of the entire galaxy, making everyone into the same master race, oh and it rapes physics too. It's just all kinds of stupid on a literal level in the game.

No it isn't, because the writers didn't say it was.  They said it was space magic roboDNA evolution, which needn't make everyone the same race at all.  EDI still looks like EDI; Jeff just has glowy eyes and a circuit imprint on his skin and Garrus still looks Turian.  You need to distinguish between the products of your own mind and external [or in this case internal] reality. 

So much of the game violates physics including the FTL travel and eezo, that your complaint is picayune.  It is sci-fi; if they didn't make things up it wouldn't be very interesting as sci-fi now would it?

eezo is made up. But we're not talking about eezo. (also ftl would be possible with eezo and accelerators) We're talking about every living thing having circuitry. Quite frankly, you seem to have no knowledge about science if you think that Synthesis is possible in a game world that pays close attention to real-world physics.

That's the thing, Eezo is made up, but the basic idea of how it works actually makes sense! I read that a long time ago and don't have a link  Basically, it's fictional, but makes scientific sense. Synthesis does not. At all.

Exactly. If eezo was real, it would actually, truly make sense. I almost hope we find something like it someday but it's unlikely unless there are still truly unique and alien elements we just haven't discovered yet. LHC spits out all kinds of wierd particles that we didn't know existed that exist for fractions of a second when they spit two particles at each other at near the speed of light. So it's quite possible that there might be some wierd stuff out there we just don't know about or understand yet.

And if X,Y and Z that they didn't even bother to put into the Catalyst's mouth turns up tomorrow, well then roboDNA will make sense too.  Any sufficiently advanced science will resemble magic and all that.  They could have added 12 independent codex entries and 20 minutes of exposition to make roboDNA seem like the mom and apple pie choice; they didn't.  Oh well.  In a game devoted to making tough choices, they offered the ultimate choice with only the background of the game played up to then and about 7 sentences of explanation of the choices.  You can call that evidence of whatever you might wish.  I just call it poor writing and a bad misread of their players' desire.

[BansheeOwnage]

D.Sharrah wrote...

This will be my last post before I play the EC...and I type this with a degree of sadness. The past three months I have learned more about ME and the poeple that play it, than I ever could have imagined. I came to realize that the passion for this universe runs so deeply with us that it can lead us to be quite emtional and illogical at times. I think that this is one of the moments...I encourage everyone to take a deep breath. This is a moment that we have waited for...we should be celebrating it...but instead I see a lot of sniping. I believe int IT, but my passion for ME does not rely on it. I refuse to pass judgement on the EC until I actually play it. I will silently be holding the line and hoping that Bioware delivers a truly satisfying experience. With that being said, until later next week I will leave you with the words...it truly has been a pleasure.

David Sharrah

The honour has been mine [salute].

[BatmanTurian]

FellishBeast wrote...

Guys...how much money would it cost for us to hire BioWare to create a fan fiction DLC for us expanding on IT?

Edit: For those wondering, yes I am on the bargaining stage of grief, but I am serious.

I think it's a little early to be in bargaining, honestly.

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Guys...how much money would it cost for us to hire BioWare to create a fan fiction DLC for us expanding on IT?

Edit: For those wondering, yes I am on the bargaining stage of grief, but I am serious.

I think it's a little early to be in bargaining, honestly.

Judging by the rest of the DLC it would be free

[Humakt83]

FellishBeast wrote...

Guys...how much money would it cost for us to hire BioWare to create a fan fiction DLC for us expanding on IT?

Edit: For those wondering, yes I am on the bargaining stage of grief, but I am serious.

How about trying the DLC before jumping to conclusions?

[BatmanTurian]

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

Synthesis is rape of the entire galaxy, making everyone into the same master race, oh and it rapes physics too. It's just all kinds of stupid on a literal level in the game.

No it isn't, because the writers didn't say it was.  They said it was space magic roboDNA evolution, which needn't make everyone the same race at all.  EDI still looks like EDI; Jeff just has glowy eyes and a circuit imprint on his skin and Garrus still looks Turian.  You need to distinguish between the products of your own mind and external [or in this case internal] reality. 

So much of the game violates physics including the FTL travel and eezo, that your complaint is picayune.  It is sci-fi; if they didn't make things up it wouldn't be very interesting as sci-fi now would it?

eezo is made up. But we're not talking about eezo. (also ftl would be possible with eezo and accelerators) We're talking about every living thing having circuitry. Quite frankly, you seem to have no knowledge about science if you think that Synthesis is possible in a game world that pays close attention to real-world physics.

That's the thing, Eezo is made up, but the basic idea of how it works actually makes sense! I read that a long time ago and don't have a link  Basically, it's fictional, but makes scientific sense. Synthesis does not. At all.

Exactly. If eezo was real, it would actually, truly make sense. I almost hope we find something like it someday but it's unlikely unless there are still truly unique and alien elements we just haven't discovered yet. LHC spits out all kinds of wierd particles that we didn't know existed that exist for fractions of a second when they spit two particles at each other at near the speed of light. So it's quite possible that there might be some wierd stuff out there we just don't know about or understand yet.

And if X,Y and Z that they didn't even bother to put into the Catalyst's mouth turns up tomorrow, well then roboDNA will make sense too.  Any sufficiently advanced science will resemble magic and all that.  They could have added 12 independent codex entries and 20 minutes of exposition to make roboDNA seem like the mom and apple pie choice; they didn't.  Oh well.  In a game devoted to making tough choices, they offered the ultimate choice with only the background of the game played up to then and about 7 sentences of explanation of the choices.  You can call that evidence of whatever you might wish.  I just call it poor writing and a bad misread of their players' desire.

And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

[memorysquid]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

You really have less than no idea what you're talking about.  While a few bends in realism are unavoidable in any science fiction, they've bent over backwards to keep Mass Effect as scientifically grounded as possible.  QEC, the science behind the javelin sniper rifle, the... you know what?  Here.  An article by someone with more scientific credentials than you or I even know to exist and he's praising ME's incredibly attention to scientific realism.

Except that article says none of that except that they cribbed a lot from contemporary planetary astronomy.  Eezo?  Mass effect?  Made up.  No real world congruence - both completely central to the game.  The explanation of why we wouldn't just smash things at light speed into the Reapers?  Reapers designed FTL flight computers and no one has bothered to redesign.  There are just all manner of errors large, huge and gaping; carping about roboDNA being particularly nonsensical is just weird.

What part of "a few bends are unavoidable" was too hard to understand?  There's no known method of FTL travel.  FTL travel is needed for fiction that expands beyond the Sol system.  Therefor something has be be made on a fictional basis.  Two plus two equals what?

To add to this a little: the "mass effect" is created by eezo so they're one in the same. Eezo is basically the only fictional element (lol) in the ME universe.

They're no more one and the same than hydrogen is fusion.  It's a fictional element and a fictional effect.  No one has a problem with those, but because they don't like the Synthesis ending for other reasons, oooo that's completely unbelievable!

[dreamgazer]

D.Sharrah wrote...

This will be my last post before I play the EC...and I type this with a degree of sadness. The past three months I have learned more about ME and the poeple that play it, than I ever could have imagined. I came to realize that the passion for this universe runs so deeply with us that it can lead us to be quite emtional and illogical at times. I think that this is one of the moments...I encourage everyone to take a deep breath. This is a moment that we have waited for...we should be celebrating it...but instead I see a lot of sniping. I believe in IT, but my passion for ME does not rely on it. I refuse to pass judgement on the EC until I actually play it. I will silently be holding the line and hoping that Bioware delivers a truly satisfying experience. With that being said, until later next week I will leave you with the words...it truly has been a pleasure.

David Sharrah

Take care, sir. I'll be partially following suit soon.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'ma go for now see you guys later.

[Rifneno]

BatmanTurian wrote...

And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Not true.  Broken records could theoretically be repeating something profound and enlightening.  Literalists are to intelligence what a black hole is to light.

[BleedingUranium]

memorysquid wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

You really have less than no idea what you're talking about.  While a few bends in realism are unavoidable in any science fiction, they've bent over backwards to keep Mass Effect as scientifically grounded as possible.  QEC, the science behind the javelin sniper rifle, the... you know what?  Here.  An article by someone with more scientific credentials than you or I even know to exist and he's praising ME's incredibly attention to scientific realism.

Except that article says none of that except that they cribbed a lot from contemporary planetary astronomy.  Eezo?  Mass effect?  Made up.  No real world congruence - both completely central to the game.  The explanation of why we wouldn't just smash things at light speed into the Reapers?  Reapers designed FTL flight computers and no one has bothered to redesign.  There are just all manner of errors large, huge and gaping; carping about roboDNA being particularly nonsensical is just weird.

What part of "a few bends are unavoidable" was too hard to understand?  There's no known method of FTL travel.  FTL travel is needed for fiction that expands beyond the Sol system.  Therefor something has be be made on a fictional basis.  Two plus two equals what?

To add to this a little: the "mass effect" is created by eezo so they're one in the same. Eezo is basically the only fictional element (lol) in the ME universe.

They're no more one and the same than hydrogen is fusion.  It's a fictional element and a fictional effect.  No one has a problem with those, but because they don't like the Synthesis ending for other reasons, oooo that's completely unbelievable!

We've been over this through this page and the last: Yes, eezo makes sense. No, synthesis doesn't.

[BleedingUranium]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I'ma go for now see you guys later.

Bye

[BatmanTurian]

memorysquid wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Again, how are you equating some hand waving made up nonsense with the Holocaust, WWII and ignoring all the other errors of physics and made up nonsense in the game?

You really have less than no idea what you're talking about.  While a few bends in realism are unavoidable in any science fiction, they've bent over backwards to keep Mass Effect as scientifically grounded as possible.  QEC, the science behind the javelin sniper rifle, the... you know what?  Here.  An article by someone with more scientific credentials than you or I even know to exist and he's praising ME's incredibly attention to scientific realism.

Except that article says none of that except that they cribbed a lot from contemporary planetary astronomy.  Eezo?  Mass effect?  Made up.  No real world congruence - both completely central to the game.  The explanation of why we wouldn't just smash things at light speed into the Reapers?  Reapers designed FTL flight computers and no one has bothered to redesign.  There are just all manner of errors large, huge and gaping; carping about roboDNA being particularly nonsensical is just weird.

What part of "a few bends are unavoidable" was too hard to understand?  There's no known method of FTL travel.  FTL travel is needed for fiction that expands beyond the Sol system.  Therefor something has be be made on a fictional basis.  Two plus two equals what?

To add to this a little: the "mass effect" is created by eezo so they're one in the same. Eezo is basically the only fictional element (lol) in the ME universe.

They're no more one and the same than hydrogen is fusion.  It's a fictional element and a fictional effect.  No one has a problem with those, but because they don't like the Synthesis ending for other reasons, oooo that's completely unbelievable!

Maybe it's because some of us know some science. The Mass Effect is possible with a fictional element like eezo. Changing the DNA of an entire galaxy, mixing it with Synthetics, and then giving organics circuitry is just so far beyond breaking the laws of thermodynamics alone that it can't be real in a fictional universe where the writers pay close attention to physics.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 23 juin 2012 - 03:55 .

[BatmanTurian]

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Not true.  Broken records could theoretically be repeating something profound and enlightening.  Literalists are to intelligence what a black hole is to light.

yeah and eventually the broken record would be stopped by something... like natural disaster or the collapse of the structure it lies within.

[memorysquid]

BatmanTurian wrote...

And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Okay it was fantastic writing!  Except that Hudson and Mac basically say outright that the endings they imagined themselves and thought everyone would understand were obviously not understood, which means bad writing.  You go right ahead though and hug that IT!  Love it!  Until Tuesday at least.  But I am expecting you can pull through the explicit empirical rejection of your beliefs with little or no change to them.

Just maybe people blame poorly exposited plot points on bad writing ... wait for it ... because it is?  Oh the broken recordness of it all.  O tempora!  O mores!

I'm out for now.  The explosion on Tuesday, for those less constant than you, should be something to see.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Trolls are out in full force tonight it seems.

[BatmanTurian]

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Okay it was fantastic writing!  Except that Hudson and Mac basically say outright that the endings they imagined themselves and thought everyone would understand were obviously not understood, which means bad writing.  You go right ahead though and hug that IT!  Love it!  Until Tuesday at least.  But I am expecting you can pull through the explicit empirical rejection of your beliefs with little or no change to them.

Just maybe people blame poorly exposited plot points on bad writing ... wait for it ... because it is?  Oh the broken recordness of it all.  O tempora!  O mores!

I'm out for now.  The explosion on Tuesday, for those less constant than you, should be something to see.

It's funny that all of you guys think we're going to explode. Nope. We'll just quietly play multiplayer, or not, and just never buy a bioware game again. If IT is confirmed, it will be people like you who will explode.

[BatmanTurian]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Trolls are out in full force tonight it seems.

just this one, and he's not intelligent enough to engage in a scientific debate.

[BleedingUranium]

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Okay it was fantastic writing!  Except that Hudson and Mac basically say outright that the endings they imagined themselves and thought everyone would understand were obviously not understood, which means bad writing.  You go right ahead though and hug that IT!  Love it!  Until Tuesday at least.  But I am expecting you can pull through the explicit empirical rejection of your beliefs with little or no change to them.

Just maybe people blame poorly exposited plot points on bad writing ... wait for it ... because it is?  Oh the broken recordness of it all.  O tempora!  O mores!

I'm out for now.  The explosion on Tuesday, for those less constant than you, should be something to see.

What? People not understanding the story makes it bad writing? That's actually bad reading. Not reading in this case, but the same idea. This thread, all the regulars, the lurkers, the people that aren't even on BSN, all ITers everywhere, we get it, so it can't even be bad writing anyway. Your point is moot.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 23 juin 2012 - 03:59 .

[Rifneno]

BatmanTurian wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Trolls are out in full force tonight it seems.

just this one, and he's not intelligent enough to engage in a scientific debate.

I don't know.  Let's get a second opinion.  Rannoch Reaper, should we bother trying to explain the science to memorysquid?

Reaper: IT IS NOT A THING HE CAN COMPREHEND.

Okay, I guess not.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Trolls are out in full force tonight it seems.

just this one, and he's not intelligent enough to engage in a scientific debate.

I don't know.  Let's get a second opinion.  Rannoch Reaper, should we bother trying to explain the science to memorysquid?

Reaper: IT IS NOT A THING HE CAN COMPREHEND.

Okay, I guess not.

Yep

[BatmanTurian]

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Trolls are out in full force tonight it seems.

just this one, and he's not intelligent enough to engage in a scientific debate.

I don't know.  Let's get a second opinion.  Rannoch Reaper, should we bother trying to explain the science to memorysquid?

Reaper: IT IS NOT A THING HE CAN COMPREHEND.

Okay, I guess not.

He had a thread trying to debunk IT like 2-3 days ago. I knew who he was the moment he jumped into this thread. It might seem like a few people here are getting ancy about the EC but it looks like the Anti-IT's are trying to overcompensate out of fear. We haven't seen them in here for days or months, some of them never. Then today they all flood us. It's actually quite hilarious group-think psychology.

[Salient Archer]

Funny how unadjusted some people must be to think that everyone else it just like them. Being an IT-believer (and a passionate one at that) won't change anything for me if the EC doesn't support the IT, it just means that we had a fun mystery to play with while we waited. If the EC sinks the IT ship I don't want to parade around like a spoilt child with a sense of entitlement and prejudice because I didn't get what I wanted from someone else's work. What I will revel in is that I had an opportunity to be part of an awesome community; a group of like minded people who were intelligent, analytical and inquisitive who all shared a common passion. This is something the literalists will never be able to claim.