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[GethPrimeMKII]

BatmanTurian wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Trolls are out in full force tonight it seems.

just this one, and he's not intelligent enough to engage in a scientific debate.

What I meant was I've been watching you all talk, while playing my new FemShep vanguard on insanity in ME3 (Most fun I've ever had btw), for a few hours now. Seems as soon as EC's release date was announced all the trolls flocked to this thread like vultures moving in on a rotting carcass. 

IT supporters need to remember that much of the evidence found that supports IT were things BIoware went out of their way to INCLUDE in the game. With that said, even the classic :Bioware is lazy" arguement falls flat on it's face. 

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 23 juin 2012 - 04:05 .

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Trolls are out in full force tonight it seems.

just this one, and he's not intelligent enough to engage in a scientific debate.

I don't know.  Let's get a second opinion.  Rannoch Reaper, should we bother trying to explain the science to memorysquid?

Reaper: IT IS NOT A THING HE CAN COMPREHEND.

Okay, I guess not.

Yep

omg lol that's like every argument I've had on here ever. thanks for the laugh BU

[BatmanTurian]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Trolls are out in full force tonight it seems.

just this one, and he's not intelligent enough to engage in a scientific debate.

What I meant was I've been watching you all talk, while playing my new FemShep vanguard on insanity in ME3 (Most fun I've ever had btw), for a few hours now. Seems as soon as EC's release date was announced all the trolls flocked to this thread like vultures moving in on a rotting carcass. 

IT supporters need to remember that much of the evidence found that supports IT were things BIoware went out of their way to INCLUDE in the game. With that said, even the classic :Bioware is lazy" arguement falls flat on it's face. 

Oh, I know. I've been here almost since the time it was announced. The Trollstorm was ridiculous and unwarranted.

[FellishBeast]

Humakt83 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Guys...how much money would it cost for us to hire BioWare to create a fan fiction DLC for us expanding on IT?

Edit: For those wondering, yes I am on the bargaining stage of grief, but I am serious.

How about trying the DLC before jumping to conclusions?

I'm just getting prepared. I want to know if it's feasible.

[TiminatorT2000]

BatmanTurian wrote...


And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Too be fair ITer's are fairly predictable too , basically if you find something you can't explain = proof of IT. 

Gun has unlimited ammo = IT
Gun changes in cutscene = IT
plot dosen't make sense = IT
Shepard bobs his head = IT
Shepard hovers over the ground = IT
ect;

Both are equally predictable.

[Bill Casey]

Synthesis at face value is forcibly altering every life-form in the universe under the auspices that their is something fundamentally wrong with it. It decries and denounces the very existence of organic and synthetic life as an abomination and something to be completely stamped out. It is the single largest ethical aberration conceivable. It completely ignores basic consent and is a thorough violation of bodily sovereignty. It isn't even morally gray like the abortion issue; it's just thoroughly hateful and offensive on every level...

This is all in the name of an experiment done at the last minute with the thing that thought the Reapers were a good idea (We need each-other to make it happen). One which may be impossible to undo. You just don't force experimentation on people. All of the sudden, Shepard is Josef Mengele. At least in Destroy at face value he's just Truman. The whole thing is also in the name of those dirty synthetics rising up and killing us, because racism. Yes, it's completely racist. Synthetics in the last two games have been shown to be not all that different from organics. Synthetic life is a real eventuality, and this is a dangerous thing to promote...

From a thematic standpoint, synthesis is the forcible combination of organic and synthetic life into something new which is the pinnacle evolution of life. Essentially everything we've been fighting for three games. It is an ideology of forced homogenization and evolutionary perfection espoused by the likes of Saren, The Illusive Man, Kai Leng, Harbinger and Sovereign. Three of them were indoctrinated, and the other two were Reapers. It's also clear the master control reaper just completely loves this option...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 23 juin 2012 - 04:11 .

[Humakt83]

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm just getting prepared. I want to know if it's feasible.

Expect the worst. Hope for the best.

[Arashi08]

OK!! since EVERY troll on BSN thinks that if IT is wrong we are all going ot explode, why don't we take a vote.

ITers, if IT turns out to be true do you think you will be as ragey as the literalists and trolls think you will be?

My answer: No, if ME3 doesn't have IT but has a good ending anyway, then I'll be just fine. If IT isn't true and they screw up the ending again for their "artistic integrity" or something then clearly it shows BW has lost it's touch with not only their storytelling, but their relationship with their fanbase so ME3 will no longer be worth my time and I can move on. Still might play future BW games if they look promising, but after all this controversy and speculation I'm done being depressed and angry, if they screw up again then It's just time to move on.

Simple as that, but I still have faith

What about you guys?

[BatmanTurian]

Salient Archer wrote...

Funny how unadjusted some people must be to think that everyone else it just like them. Being an IT-believer (and a passionate one at that) won't change anything for me if the EC doesn't support the IT, it just means that we had a fun mystery to play with while we waited. If the EC sinks the IT ship I don't want to parade around like a spoilt child with a sense of entitlement and prejudice because I didn't get what I wanted from someone else's work. What I will revel in is that I had an opportunity to be part of an awesome community; a group of like minded people who were intelligent, analytical and inquisitive who all shared a common passion. This is something the literalists will never be able to claim.

[FellishBeast]

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Okay it was fantastic writing!  Except that Hudson and Mac basically say outright that the endings they imagined themselves and thought everyone would understand were obviously not understood, which means bad writing.  You go right ahead though and hug that IT!  Love it!  Until Tuesday at least.  But I am expecting you can pull through the explicit empirical rejection of your beliefs with little or no change to them.

Just maybe people blame poorly exposited plot points on bad writing ... wait for it ... because it is?  Oh the broken recordness of it all.  O tempora!  O mores!

I'm out for now.  The explosion on Tuesday, for those less constant than you, should be something to see.

It's funny that all of you guys think we're going to explode. Nope. We'll just quietly play multiplayer, or not, and just never buy a bioware game again. If IT is confirmed, it will be people like you who will explode.

That's more or less my plan.

[Bill Casey]

If it tries to disprove IT, I just won't download the EC...
Problem solved...
Han shot first...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 23 juin 2012 - 04:13 .

[BatmanTurian]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Too be fair ITer's are fairly predictable too , basically if you find something you can't explain = proof of IT. 

Gun has unlimited ammo = IT
Gun changes in cutscene = IT
plot dosen't make sense = IT
Shepard bobs his head = IT
Shepard hovers over the ground = IT
ect;

Both are equally predictable.

Yeah, except we have things to back up our assertions.

Also unlimited ammo and ground hover was debunked months ago and thrown out of evidence. Get some new material.

[Mcfly616]

Bill Casey wrote...

If it tries to disprove IT, I just won't download the EC...
Problem solved...
Han shot first...

Damn right he did....

[BatmanTurian]

Arashi08 wrote...

OK!! since EVERY troll on BSN thinks that if IT is wrong we are all going ot explode, why don't we take a vote.

ITers, if IT turns out to be true do you think you will be as ragey as the literalists and trolls think you will be?

My answer: No, if ME3 doesn't have IT but has a good ending anyway, then I'll be just fine. If IT isn't true and they screw up the ending again for their "artistic integrity" or something then clearly it shows BW has lost it's touch with not only their storytelling, but their relationship with their fanbase so ME3 will no longer be worth my time and I can move on. Still might play future BW games if they look promising, but after all this controversy and speculation I'm done being depressed and angry, if they screw up again then It's just time to move on.

Simple as that, but I still have faith

What about you guys?

You probably won't even see me on BSN after the EC. Well maybe sparingly. But mostly not.

If Bioware doesn't do the IT, they'll have abandoned their own lore and themes. Ironically, THAT would be the bad writing.

[Bill Casey]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

If it tries to disprove IT, I just won't download the EC...
Problem solved...
Han shot first...

Damn right he did....

George Lucas wrote...

The controversy over who shot first, Greedo or Han Solo, in Episode IV, what I did was try to clean up the confusion, but obviously it upset people because they wanted Solo [who seemed to be the one who shot first
in the original] to be a cold-blooded killer, but he actually isn't. It had been done in all close-ups and it was confusing about who did what to whom. I put a little wider shot in there that made it clear that Greedo is the one who shot first, but everyone wanted to think that Han shot first, because they wanted to think that he actually just gunned him down.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 23 juin 2012 - 04:18 .

[Simocrates]

Why do people get so worked up over a game?

[TiminatorT2000]

Salient Archer wrote...
. What I will revel in is that I had an opportunity to be part of an awesome community; a group of like minded people who were intelligent, analytical and inquisitive who all shared a common passion. This is something the literalists will never be able to claim.

Why can't literalist's claim this?

This seems like a passive aggressive insult towards people who don't believe IT, 

A good example of an 
literalist  dicussion like you described would be the community on the 
Archengeia channel, thoughtful , intelligent and good hearted discussion..

[Humakt83]

Zanza86 wrote...

Why do people get so worked up over a game?

Yeah, I never understand those football hooligans.

[shepskisaac]

FellishBeast wrote...

Guys...how much money would it cost for us to hire BioWare to create a fan fiction DLC for us expanding on IT?

About a million $ at least. Not to mention that you would have to convince EA to do it. EA holds the rights to ME IP.

[Vaya]

BatmanTurian wrote...

He had a thread trying to debunk IT like 2-3 days ago. I knew who he was the moment he jumped into this thread. It might seem like a few people here are getting ancy about the EC but it looks like the Anti-IT's are trying to overcompensate out of fear. We haven't seen them in here for days or months, some of them never. Then today they all flood us. It's actually quite hilarious group-think psychology.

Yah, when I saw the title of the post I thought it was intended as a joke ...

http://social.biowar...3118/4#12617313

[Simocrates]

Everyone knows the trilogy was just a dream. The real John Shepherd is on Atlantis fighting the wraith.

[BatmanTurian]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...
. What I will revel in is that I had an opportunity to be part of an awesome community; a group of like minded people who were intelligent, analytical and inquisitive who all shared a common passion. This is something the literalists will never be able to claim.

Why can't literalist's claim this?

This seems like a passive aggressive insult towards people who don't believe IT, 

A good example of an 
literalist  dicussion like you described would be the community on the 
Archengeia channel, thoughtful , intelligent and good hearted discussion..

And yet you never seem interested in symbology or metaphors in story elements, nor are you intelligent enough to understand how " it was a battle in the mind" is different from " it was all a dream" nor do you comprehend that it's highly unlikely that the Reapers wouldn't use their mega-weapon on the main character.

No, you guys are total eggheads...

[TiminatorT2000]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Yeah, except we have things to back up our assertions.

As do literalist's , there are plently of qoutes direct from bioware which at the very least suggest that a literalist interpretation  is as valid as an IT interpretation. In fact there are a lots of qoutes to show that's what bioware wants.

BatmanTurian wrote... 

Also unlimited ammo and ground hover was debunked months ago and thrown out of evidence. Get some new material.

They are valid examples of things thought to be evidence of IT, no need for hostility.

[dreamgazer]

Arashi08 wrote...

OK!! since EVERY troll on BSN thinks that if IT is wrong we are all going ot explode, why don't we take a vote.

ITers, if IT turns out to be true do you think you will be as ragey as the literalists and trolls think you will be?

My answer: No, if ME3 doesn't have IT but has a good ending anyway, then I'll be just fine. If IT isn't true and they screw up the ending again for their "artistic integrity" or something then clearly it shows BW has lost it's touch with not only their storytelling, but their relationship with their fanbase so ME3 will no longer be worth my time and I can move on. Still might play future BW games if they look promising, but after all this controversy and speculation I'm done being depressed and angry, if they screw up again then It's just time to move on.

Simple as that, but I still have faith

What about you guys?

(laughs) They're trying to create false drama and get under people's skin. Frak 'em.  It's the internet; it happens.  There's a reason they derive perverse satisfaction from tearing others down and insulting. 

Know what I'm going to do after the EC? Play Dawnguard, watch the new Spider-Man flick, patiently wait until The Dark Knight Rises, enjoy the summer weather, do yard work, tear through my movie backlog, and, of course, work work work and play play play. No exploding here, especially over an interpretation of a piece of fiction---one of a few that I've wrapped my mind around.  My life spins around and around and I have enough real-world crap to weigh me down. 

The only time it rubs me the wrong way and I take it semi-personal is when people devalue the nature of interpretation as a whole and label others based on their analyses, in that if it's not explicitly there, then it's not true.  Balderdash.  

[GethPrimeMKII]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

OK!! since EVERY troll on BSN thinks that if IT is wrong we are all going ot explode, why don't we take a vote.

ITers, if IT turns out to be true do you think you will be as ragey as the literalists and trolls think you will be?

My answer: No, if ME3 doesn't have IT but has a good ending anyway, then I'll be just fine. If IT isn't true and they screw up the ending again for their "artistic integrity" or something then clearly it shows BW has lost it's touch with not only their storytelling, but their relationship with their fanbase so ME3 will no longer be worth my time and I can move on. Still might play future BW games if they look promising, but after all this controversy and speculation I'm done being depressed and angry, if they screw up again then It's just time to move on.

Simple as that, but I still have faith

What about you guys?

You probably won't even see me on BSN after the EC. Well maybe sparingly. But mostly not.

If Bioware doesn't do the IT, they'll have abandoned their own lore and themes. Ironically, THAT would be the bad writing.

It's not even a matter of if. They simply will not abandon their own lore.