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[FellishBeast]

Shepard.

Modifié par FellishBeast, 23 juin 2012 - 04:28 .

[BatmanTurian]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Yeah, except we have things to back up our assertions.

As do literalist's , there are plently of qoutes direct from bioware which at the very least suggest that a literalist interpretation  is as valid as an IT interpretation. In fact there are a lots of qoutes to show that's what bioware wants.

BatmanTurian wrote... 

Also unlimited ammo and ground hover was debunked months ago and thrown out of evidence. Get some new material.

They are valid examples of things thought to be evidence of IT, no need for hostility.

Do you have evidence as tangible as infrasound used in the game where indoctrination is likely that would back up your assertions?

Also, no, they are not valid examples if we already threw them out. You aren't good at this are you?

[BatmanTurian]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

OK!! since EVERY troll on BSN thinks that if IT is wrong we are all going ot explode, why don't we take a vote.

ITers, if IT turns out to be true do you think you will be as ragey as the literalists and trolls think you will be?

My answer: No, if ME3 doesn't have IT but has a good ending anyway, then I'll be just fine. If IT isn't true and they screw up the ending again for their "artistic integrity" or something then clearly it shows BW has lost it's touch with not only their storytelling, but their relationship with their fanbase so ME3 will no longer be worth my time and I can move on. Still might play future BW games if they look promising, but after all this controversy and speculation I'm done being depressed and angry, if they screw up again then It's just time to move on.

Simple as that, but I still have faith

What about you guys?

You probably won't even see me on BSN after the EC. Well maybe sparingly. But mostly not.

If Bioware doesn't do the IT, they'll have abandoned their own lore and themes. Ironically, THAT would be the bad writing.

It's not even a matter of if. They simply will not abandon their own lore. 

I'm just saying it would be stupid and I would be ready to agree that Hudson and Walters are doodoo heads.

[BatmanTurian]

dreamgazer wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

OK!! since EVERY troll on BSN thinks that if IT is wrong we are all going ot explode, why don't we take a vote.

ITers, if IT turns out to be true do you think you will be as ragey as the literalists and trolls think you will be?

My answer: No, if ME3 doesn't have IT but has a good ending anyway, then I'll be just fine. If IT isn't true and they screw up the ending again for their "artistic integrity" or something then clearly it shows BW has lost it's touch with not only their storytelling, but their relationship with their fanbase so ME3 will no longer be worth my time and I can move on. Still might play future BW games if they look promising, but after all this controversy and speculation I'm done being depressed and angry, if they screw up again then It's just time to move on.

Simple as that, but I still have faith

What about you guys?

(laughs) They're trying to create false drama and get under people's skin. Frak 'em.  It's the internet; it happens.  There's a reason they derive perverse satisfaction from tearing others down and insulting. 

Know what I'm going to do after the EC? Play Dawnguard, watch the new Spider-Man flick, patiently wait until The Dark Knight Rises, enjoy the summer weather, do yard work, tear through my movie backlog, and, of course, work work work and play play play. No exploding here, especially over an interpretation of a piece of fiction---one of a few that I've wrapped my mind around.  My life spins around and around and I have enough real-world crap to weigh me down. 

The only time it rubs me the wrong way and I take it semi-personal is when people devalue the nature of interpretation as a whole and label others based on their analyses, in that if it's not explicitly there, then it's not true.  Balderdash.  

I agree with every word of your response. This is exactly what I will do ( yay Dawnguard!).

[Humakt83]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

It's not even a matter of if. They simply will not abandon their own lore. 

That doesn't mean they wouldn't leave the ending still open for interpretation. Which I feel is a mistake if EC is to provide a closure. I  likely won't be upset about it. Execution is what matters.

[Salient Archer]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...
. What I will revel in is that I had an opportunity to be part of an awesome community; a group of like minded people who were intelligent, analytical and inquisitive who all shared a common passion. This is something the literalists will never be able to claim.

Why can't literalist's claim this?

This seems like a passive aggressive insult towards people who don't believe IT, 

A good example of an 
literalist  dicussion like you described would be the community on the 
Archengeia channel, thoughtful , intelligent and good hearted discussion..

I never actually said literalists aren't or can't be intelligent, analytical or inquisitive. I was just stating that a lot of people I've met who believe in ITD are.

[BatmanTurian]

Jeff Easterling ‏@GrimBrotherOne
@JessicaMerizan Just to confirm, you need to go all the way back to the "base", or can you go from "Restart Final * Mission"? Thanks!

Jessica Merizan ‏@JessicaMerizan
@GrimBrotherOne You *might* miss one or two things if you do "Restart Final" -- it's ideal to start around that last brute/banshee fight

[daigakuinsei]

FellishBeast wrote...

Shepard.

Wrex.

[TiminatorT2000]

BatmanTurian wrote...


And yet you never seem interested in symbology or metaphors in story elements

 

Not being interested in some symbology and metaphor dose not mean all. 

 

BatmanTurian wrote... 
, nor are you intelligent enough to understand how " it was a battle in the mind" is different from " it was all a dream"

 

So your calling people dumb for no reason now and stereotyping.

BatmanTurian wrote. 
nor do you comprehend that it's highly unlikely that the Reapers wouldn't use their mega-weapon on the main character.

 
There are plently of stories where villans don't use weapons that would defeat the protagonist even where it would make perfect logical sense.

BatmanTurian wrote.  
No, you guys are total eggheads...

Are heads vary in shape, but you seem to want to ascribe characteristics of some to all.

[GethPrimeMKII]

The more I read all the anti IT threads and posts around here, the more certain I am that some people want the literal ending to be true, not for the sake of being right, but to simply watch Bioware burn. It's the oddest thing about the internet. The loudest, most vocal group of any given game forum, have a passionate hatred for the game.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Humakt83 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

It's not even a matter of if. They simply will not abandon their own lore. 

That doesn't mean they wouldn't leave the ending still open for interpretation. Which I feel is a mistake if EC is to provide a closure. I  likely won't be upset about it. Execution is what matters.

Thats an interesting, though unlikely, possibility I wouldn't mind too much.

Anyway, back to my SP campaign. Lurking mode: ON

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 23 juin 2012 - 04:37 .

[Big Bad]

Salient Archer wrote...

Funny how unadjusted some people must be to think that everyone else it just like them. Being an IT-believer (and a passionate one at that) won't change anything for me if the EC doesn't support the IT, it just means that we had a fun mystery to play with while we waited. If the EC sinks the IT ship I don't want to parade around like a spoilt child with a sense of entitlement and prejudice because I didn't get what I wanted from someone else's work. What I will revel in is that I had an opportunity to be part of an awesome community; a group of like minded people who were intelligent, analytical and inquisitive who all shared a common passion. This is something the literalists will never be able to claim.

This is the second time I've said this to you today - very well said, Salient Archer!  Even if IT turns out to be completely false, I had way more fun reading and participating in this thread than I would have if I hadn't been an IT proponent.  At the very least, we - and I mostly not talking about myself - made something positive and creative out of a bad situation.  There's no shame in that.

That said, I'm still cautiously optimistic about the EC. 

[BatmanTurian]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote. 
nor do you comprehend that it's highly unlikely that the Reapers wouldn't use their mega-weapon on the main character.

 
There
are plently of stories where villans don't use weapons that would
defeat the protagonist even where it would make perfect logical sense.

So you really don' t think they would use their most potent weapon, mind control and manipulation of organics, on their single greatest organic nemesis that has allied an entire galaxy against them successfully for the first time ever in millions of years that they seem to use on every one else?

Seriously? That is stretching logic and odds.

[DangerSandler]

Thanks for playin'

[BleedingUranium]

BatmanTurian wrote...

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Too be fair ITer's are fairly predictable too , basically if you find something you can't explain = proof of IT. 

Gun has unlimited ammo = IT
Gun changes in cutscene = IT
plot dosen't make sense = IT
Shepard bobs his head = IT
Shepard hovers over the ground = IT
ect;

Both are equally predictable.

Yeah, except we have things to back up our assertions.

Also unlimited ammo and ground hover was debunked months ago and thrown out of evidence. Get some new material.

Stop throwing out unlimited ammo! It's important. You are forced to have to only pistol you'd notice a bottomless mag on, and you have a bottomless mag. It's not directly IT, but it's a clue that strange things are happening

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 23 juin 2012 - 04:43 .

[FellishBeast]

daigakuinsei wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Shepard.

Wrex.

Shepard.

[TiminatorT2000]

BatmanTurian wrote...


Do you have evidence as tangible as infrasound used in the game where indoctrination is likely that would back up your assertions?

 

Yes, like bioware directly stating there not changing the endings.

BatmanTurian wrote... 
Also, no, they are not valid examples if we already threw them out. You aren't good at this are you?

They are valid of examples what was once thought  of evidence, which works to support my "everything that you can't explain is used to support IT argument"  everything you have know could eventually be thrown out.

Salient Archer wrote...
 I never actually said literalists aren't or can't be intelligent, analytical or inquisitive. I was just stating that a lot of people I've met who believe in ITD are.

Well a lot of literalist's are too, it's just everybody thinks there side is brighter, more reasonable and has better manners.

[FellishBeast]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jeff Easterling ‏@GrimBrotherOne
@JessicaMerizan Just to confirm, you need to go all the way back to the "base", or can you go from "Restart Final * Mission"? Thanks!

Jessica Merizan ‏@JessicaMerizan
@GrimBrotherOne You *might* miss one or two things if you do "Restart Final" -- it's ideal to start around that last brute/banshee fight

Just read that. I asked her if that meant Harbinger might be making an appearance, but she just said she's signing off for now. 

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Too be fair ITer's are fairly predictable too , basically if you find something you can't explain = proof of IT. 

Gun has unlimited ammo = IT
Gun changes in cutscene = IT
plot dosen't make sense = IT
Shepard bobs his head = IT
Shepard hovers over the ground = IT
ect;

Both are equally predictable.

Yeah, except we have things to back up our assertions.

Also unlimited ammo and ground hover was debunked months ago and thrown out of evidence. Get some new material.

Stop throwing out unlimited ammo! It's important. You are forced to have to only pistol you'd notice a bottomless mag on, and you have a bottomless mag. It's not directly It, but it's a clue that strange things are happening

Fine, but it's most assuredly at the bottom of the barrel of evidence.

[BatmanTurian]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


Do you have evidence as tangible as infrasound used in the game where indoctrination is likely that would back up your assertions?

 

Yes, like bioware directly stating there not changing the endings.

BatmanTurian wrote... 
Also, no, they are not valid examples if we already threw them out. You aren't good at this are you?

They are valid of examples what was once thought  of evidence, which works to support my "everything that you can't explain is used to support IT argument"  everything you have know could eventually be thrown out.

Salient Archer wrote...
 I never actually said literalists aren't or can't be intelligent, analytical or inquisitive. I was just stating that a lot of people I've met who believe in ITD are.

Well a lot of literalist's are too, it's just everybody thinks there side is brighter, more reasonable and has better manners.

IT works within the endings and doesn't need the endings changed, only clarified, which... OH! They're doing that.

Also, your second point is fallatious. No, not everything that can't be explained is IT. Try again.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 23 juin 2012 - 04:44 .

[BleedingUranium]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


And that's all the argument ever comes down to with you guys: " bad writing." You're like broken records. Next you'll be telling me Bioware is lazy too. You're too predictable at this point.

Too be fair ITer's are fairly predictable too , basically if you find something you can't explain = proof of IT. 

Gun has unlimited ammo = IT
Gun changes in cutscene = IT
plot dosen't make sense = IT
Shepard bobs his head = IT
Shepard hovers over the ground = IT
ect;

Both are equally predictable.

Yeah, except we have things to back up our assertions.

Also unlimited ammo and ground hover was debunked months ago and thrown out of evidence. Get some new material.

Stop throwing out unlimited ammo! It's important. You are forced to have to only pistol you'd notice a bottomless mag on, and you have a bottomless mag. It's not directly It, but it's a clue that strange things are happening

Fine, but it's most assuredly at the bottom of the barrel of evidence.

I agree, because it's not directly IT evidence, just a clue to the player that something's wrong

[ZeogYoru vas Tasi]

 I have a bad feeling this is going to be everyone at and after June 26th...
http://youtu.be/I_H3uWLW3N4?t=20s

[jules_vern18]

"EC
will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you
believe it has merit or not." - Jessica Merizan via Twitter

Not here to troll; I just didn't see this pop up anywhere in the recent pages on this thread.  IT is certainly not dead (I think the EC may leave some room for speculation yet again), but according to Merizan (who has played the EC) it will not be confirmed or denied in the new content.

[BatmanTurian]

jules_vern18 wrote...

"EC
will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you
believe it has merit or not." - Jessica Merizan via Twitter

Not here to troll; I just didn't see this pop up anywhere in the recent pages on this thread.  IT is certainly not dead (I think the EC may leave some room for speculation yet again), but according to Merizan (who has played the EC) it will not be confirmed or denied in the new content.

She's spinning and we don't know what's in it. Neither confirming nor denying is interesting though.

[BP20125810]

FellishBeast wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Guys...how much money would it cost for us to hire BioWare to create a fan fiction DLC for us expanding on IT?

Edit: For those wondering, yes I am on the bargaining stage of grief, but I am serious.

How about trying the DLC before jumping to conclusions?

I'm just getting prepared. I want to know if it's feasible.

When EC solves the plot holes, the endings will be MUCH better, so no worry brah, enjoy the FREE gift of hard work from the devs