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[zambot]

jules_vern18 wrote...

"EC
will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you
believe it has merit or not." - Jessica Merizan via Twitter

Not here to troll; I just didn't see this pop up anywhere in the recent pages on this thread.  IT is certainly not dead (I think the EC may leave some room for speculation yet again), but according to Merizan (who has played the EC) it will not be confirmed or denied in the new content.

That's believable.  It's not in Bioware's best interest to put that speculation to bed.  They'd rather keep both camps happy.

[BleedingUranium]

BatmanTurian wrote...

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...


Do you have evidence as tangible as infrasound used in the game where indoctrination is likely that would back up your assertions?

 

Yes, like bioware directly stating there not changing the endings.

BatmanTurian wrote... 
Also, no, they are not valid examples if we already threw them out. You aren't good at this are you?

They are valid of examples what was once thought  of evidence, which works to support my "everything that you can't explain is used to support IT argument"  everything you have know could eventually be thrown out.

Salient Archer wrote...
 I never actually said literalists aren't or can't be intelligent, analytical or inquisitive. I was just stating that a lot of people I've met who believe in ITD are.

Well a lot of literalist's are too, it's just everybody thinks there side is brighter, more reasonable and has better manners.

IT works within the endings and doesn't need the endings changed, only clarified, which... OH! They're doing that.

Also, your second point is fallatious. No, not everything that can't be explained is IT. Try again.

BW's insistence on saying they won't be changing, only clarifying, is a fairly strong point in IT's favour

[TiminatorT2000]

BatmanTurian wrote...

So you really don' t think they would use their most potent weapon, mind control and manipulation of organics, on their single greatest organic nemesis that has allied an entire galaxy against them successfully for the first time ever in millions of years that they seem to use on every one else?

Seriously? That is stretching logic and odds.

It possible Bioware simply didn't have the time to implement IT. I have no problem believing that IT in some form was originally intentioned at one point but it was replaced with the ending we have now due to time constraint. 

Still there's lots of things in the me3 story it's self with similar odds, I mean how could the crucible remain secret for so long with so many scientist's/security/engineers ect; Working on it for months and traveling in between the project and the citidal and presumably other worlds to look for prothean artifacts to help build it.

I would say it's just as unlikely that the cruicible would remain a secret for so long with so many loose ends , that the reapers would not employ indoctrination. 

Or perhaps Shepard is just immune some how, Joker said he was basically half machine by now. So he could be more resiliant because of it.He also could be just so strong willed he can resist it for years, I'm not saying that it makes perfect sense, but that stranger things have ben done in stories , just because something should happen dose not mean it dose happen.

BleedingUranium wrote...


BW's insistence on saying they won't be changing, only clarifying, is a fairly strong point in IT's favour

 

I would say exactly the opposite, but it's all about how you interpret what they say. Which is why strong statements either way don't really work.

BatmanTurian wrote...

IT works within the endings and doesn't need the endings changed, only clarified, which... OH! They're doing that.

To me IT would require a change and saying it would only need "clarifacation" seems like a cop out. To my understanding with IT there is currently no ending to me3 , so adding endings would certianly be a change.

But bioware has basically already stated that both interpretations are valid so it's already outdated.

Modifié par TiminatorT2000, 23 juin 2012 - 05:03 .

[MothershipChip]

So how does DLC work will it be available at 12:00 am Tuesday, I have never before gotten a DLC on its release date so I am clueless on the matter. If the EC does a good job of explaining what the hell happened after the beam hit then I will be all good, even if it is not IT. Honestly, I will be all good so long as they only explain those piles of bodies that randomly showed up. Great work from everyone on keeping speculation running rampant, it has been great to follow this forum.

As an aside, how quickly are we going to see a breakdown of infrasound during the EC?

[BatmanTurian]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

So you really don' t think they would use their most potent weapon, mind control and manipulation of organics, on their single greatest organic nemesis that has allied an entire galaxy against them successfully for the first time ever in millions of years that they seem to use on every one else?

Seriously? That is stretching logic and odds.

It possible Bioware simply didn't have the time to implement IT. I have no problem believing that IT in some form was originally intentioned at one point but it was replaced with the ending we have now due to time constraint. 

Still there's lots of things in the me3 story it's self with similar odds, I mean how could the crucible remain secret for so long with so many scientist's/security/engineers ect; Working on it for months and traveling in between the project and the citidal and presumably other worlds to look for prothean artifacts to help build it.

I would say it's just as unlikely that the cruicible would remain a secret for so long with so many loss ends , that the reapers would not emply indoctrination. 

Or perhaps Shepard is just immune some how, Joker said he was basically half machine by now. So he could be more resiliant because of it.He also could be just so strong willed he can resist it for years, I'm not saying that it makes perfect sense, but that stranger things have ben done in stories , just because something should happen dose not mean it dose happen.

Alright, well we'll just agree to disagree. It's late and I have to be up early to do some home improvement.

[Dwailing]

MothershipChip wrote...

So how does DLC work will it be available at 12:00 am Tuesday, I have never before gotten a DLC on its release date so I am clueless on the matter. If the EC does a good job of explaining what the hell happened after the beam hit then I will be all good, even if it is not IT. Honestly, I will be all good so long as they only explain those piles of bodies that randomly showed up. Great work from everyone on keeping speculation running rampant, it has been great to follow this forum.

As an aside, how quickly are we going to see a breakdown of infrasound during the EC?

My guess is that TSA will get on it as soon as he's had a chance to play the EC a few times, and has had a chance to detox for a bit.  What can I say, everyone deserves a break after this.

[Rifneno]

zambot wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

"EC
will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you
believe it has merit or not." - Jessica Merizan via Twitter

Not here to troll; I just didn't see this pop up anywhere in the recent pages on this thread.  IT is certainly not dead (I think the EC may leave some room for speculation yet again), but according to Merizan (who has played the EC) it will not be confirmed or denied in the new content.

That's believable.  It's not in Bioware's best interest to put that speculation to bed.  They'd rather keep both camps happy.

LOL.  No.  The literalists will still be pissed because, let's face it, the literal ending is complete drivel.  The IT'ers will be pissed because the Reapers win without an IT ending.  So no, this is the absolute worst thing they could do.

[TiminatorT2000]

Rifneno wrote...


LOL.  No.  The literalists will still be pissed because, let's face it, the literal ending is complete drivel.  The IT'ers will be pissed because the Reapers win without an IT ending.  So no, this is the absolute worst thing they could do.

I agree I want an actual ending, if IT is true then that would be great if I turn out to be right and intended for the endings they shipped with to be the actual endings then that still sucks , but it's still better then having "both be true" I wanna really know what  happened not guess at what's happening.

Modifié par TiminatorT2000, 23 juin 2012 - 05:08 .

[Dwailing]

So, I know we've kind of started disregarding what Jessica says, but have any of you seen this? http://twitter.com/J...386891119984642

[jules_vern18]

Rifneno wrote...

zambot wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

"EC
will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you
believe it has merit or not." - Jessica Merizan via Twitter

Not here to troll; I just didn't see this pop up anywhere in the recent pages on this thread.  IT is certainly not dead (I think the EC may leave some room for speculation yet again), but according to Merizan (who has played the EC) it will not be confirmed or denied in the new content.

That's believable.  It's not in Bioware's best interest to put that speculation to bed.  They'd rather keep both camps happy.

LOL.  No.  The literalists will still be pissed because, let's face it, the literal ending is complete drivel.  The IT'ers will be pissed because the Reapers win without an IT ending.  So no, this is the absolute worst thing they could do.

Agreed.  Although I never thought I would be able to say that word on this forum

[FellishBeast]

Dwailing wrote...

So, I know we've kind of started disregarding what Jessica says, but have any of you seen this? http://twitter.com/J...386891119984642

Yeah, which sort of means gameplay must be involved, correct? I hope they replace that sequence with Harbinger...

[Rosewind]

Rifneno wrote...

zambot wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

"EC
will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you
believe it has merit or not." - Jessica Merizan via Twitter

Not here to troll; I just didn't see this pop up anywhere in the recent pages on this thread.  IT is certainly not dead (I think the EC may leave some room for speculation yet again), but according to Merizan (who has played the EC) it will not be confirmed or denied in the new content.

That's believable.  It's not in Bioware's best interest to put that speculation to bed.  They'd rather keep both camps happy.

LOL.  No.  The literalists will still be pissed because, let's face it, the literal ending is complete drivel.  The IT'ers will be pissed because the Reapers win without an IT ending.  So no, this is the absolute worst thing they could do.

Literalists are never happy so we should just ignore them.

[TiminatorT2000]

FellishBeast wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, I know we've kind of started disregarding what Jessica says, but have any of you seen this? http://twitter.com/J...386891119984642

Yeah, which sort of means gameplay must be involved, correct? I hope they replace that sequence with Harbinger...

I don't want to be a pessimst but not nessacarially , it could just be extra dialouge or some scenes of your allied forces fighting.

[Reptilian Rob]

Dwailing wrote...

So, I know we've kind of started disregarding what Jessica says, but have any of you seen this? http://twitter.com/J...386891119984642

>Might miss one or two things.

Oh, so you mean five seconds of the ten minutes? I'm ok with that. 

[Rifneno]

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

LOL.  No.  The literalists will still be pissed because, let's face it, the literal ending is complete drivel.  The IT'ers will be pissed because the Reapers win without an IT ending.  So no, this is the absolute worst thing they could do.

Literalists are never happy so we should just ignore them.

In this case, they have a point.  The literal interpretation to the ending is retarded.  There is no clarification possible that will make "here, jump in this beam and all the plants in the galaxy (but only THIS galaxy!) will have printed circuitry" into something that doesn't cause brain cancer.

[jules_vern18]

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

zambot wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

"EC
will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you
believe it has merit or not." - Jessica Merizan via Twitter

Not here to troll; I just didn't see this pop up anywhere in the recent pages on this thread.  IT is certainly not dead (I think the EC may leave some room for speculation yet again), but according to Merizan (who has played the EC) it will not be confirmed or denied in the new content.

That's believable.  It's not in Bioware's best interest to put that speculation to bed.  They'd rather keep both camps happy.

LOL.  No.  The literalists will still be pissed because, let's face it, the literal ending is complete drivel.  The IT'ers will be pissed because the Reapers win without an IT ending.  So no, this is the absolute worst thing they could do.

Literalists are never happy so we should just ignore them.

Literalist here trying to be civil on your board.   No need to be a d*ck. 

I've changed my stance on IT and honestly hope that you folks are able to maintain your theory to the extent that it suits your desire for a better ending.  I think the EC may leave room for that, but it doesn't look like you're going to see it play out like you'd hoped (see Merizan tweet: EC will not confirm IT).  If they throw out a few nods and winks to allow the theory to continue, will that be enough?  I'm genuinely curious...do most of you need a definitive answer or are you ok with IT staying as it is - unconfirmed?

[Dwailing]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

zambot wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

"EC
will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you
believe it has merit or not." - Jessica Merizan via Twitter

Not here to troll; I just didn't see this pop up anywhere in the recent pages on this thread.  IT is certainly not dead (I think the EC may leave some room for speculation yet again), but according to Merizan (who has played the EC) it will not be confirmed or denied in the new content.

That's believable.  It's not in Bioware's best interest to put that speculation to bed.  They'd rather keep both camps happy.

LOL.  No.  The literalists will still be pissed because, let's face it, the literal ending is complete drivel.  The IT'ers will be pissed because the Reapers win without an IT ending.  So no, this is the absolute worst thing they could do.

Literalists are never happy so we should just ignore them.

Literalist here trying to be civil on your board.   No need to be a d*ck. 

I've changed my stance on IT and honestly hope that you folks are able to maintain your theory to the extent that it suits your desire for a better ending.  I think the EC may leave room for that, but it doesn't look like you're going to see it play out like you'd hoped (see Merizan tweet: EC will not confirm IT).  If they throw out a few nods and winks to allow the theory to continue, will that be enough?  I'm genuinely curious...do most of you need a definitive answer or are you ok with IT staying as it is - unconfirmed?

I don't know, if the evidence is strong enough, then I would be willing to consider the EC as not being the definitive word on IT.  Have you seen this? http://social.biowar..._end=1341100800  It would not surprise me if Arian is right, and since they were teasing big things at SDCC, then I'm not sure if this "battle" is over.

[gpost]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, I know we've kind of started disregarding what Jessica says, but have any of you seen this? http://twitter.com/J...386891119984642

>Might miss one or two things.

Oh, so you mean five seconds of the ten minutes? I'm ok with that. 

From the podcast interview, it sounds like they may have added some extra choices starting at the Cerberus Base that will give the ending more variables - I may wait for EC to be out for a day to see what the community consensus is. On their blog they did recommend starting from Cerberus HQ

[MegaSovereign]

jules_vern18 wrote...

"EC
will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you
believe it has merit or not." - Jessica Merizan via Twitter

Not here to troll; I just didn't see this pop up anywhere in the recent pages on this thread.  IT is certainly not dead (I think the EC may leave some room for speculation yet again), but according to Merizan (who has played the EC) it will not be confirmed or denied in the new content.

It's just PR speak. They want to please both camps. You can't really disprove IT unless they flat out tell you ingame that Shepard wasn't being indoctrinated. So they're using that to say "oh you can still believe in your headcanons."

The screenshots suggest that the current scenes are being expanded on. According to the IT, everything that happens after Harbinger hits you with the beam is just an indoctrination attempt. Why would Bioware try to clarify and extend the so-called hallucination if IT was true? The extra scenes would take place AFTER Shepard wakes up.

They're not, I repeat, NOT changing the plot. This was confirmed MONTHS ago. IT would be a huge plot twist. The goal of the EC is to provide "clarity and closure."

[jules_vern18]

Dwailing wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Rosewind wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

zambot wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

"EC
will not provide a definitive answer on IT. It's up to you if you
believe it has merit or not." - Jessica Merizan via Twitter

Not here to troll; I just didn't see this pop up anywhere in the recent pages on this thread.  IT is certainly not dead (I think the EC may leave some room for speculation yet again), but according to Merizan (who has played the EC) it will not be confirmed or denied in the new content.

That's believable.  It's not in Bioware's best interest to put that speculation to bed.  They'd rather keep both camps happy.

LOL.  No.  The literalists will still be pissed because, let's face it, the literal ending is complete drivel.  The IT'ers will be pissed because the Reapers win without an IT ending.  So no, this is the absolute worst thing they could do.

Literalists are never happy so we should just ignore them.

Literalist here trying to be civil on your board.   No need to be a d*ck. 

I've changed my stance on IT and honestly hope that you folks are able to maintain your theory to the extent that it suits your desire for a better ending.  I think the EC may leave room for that, but it doesn't look like you're going to see it play out like you'd hoped (see Merizan tweet: EC will not confirm IT).  If they throw out a few nods and winks to allow the theory to continue, will that be enough?  I'm genuinely curious...do most of you need a definitive answer or are you ok with IT staying as it is - unconfirmed?

I don't know, if the evidence is strong enough, then I would be willing to consider the EC as not being the definitive word on IT.  Have you seen this? http://social.biowar..._end=1341100800  It would not surprise me if Arian is right, and since they were teasing big things at SDCC, then I'm not sure if this "battle" is over.

See, this I'm not sure about - why would they string it along any more than they have to?  If IT was planned all along (or if Bioware adopted it), then they already have their "fake" or "indoctrinated" ending.  Why would they make another one with the EC, only to do the reveal with even more dlc? 

In case the internets are having a hard time conveying tone, I mean no disrespect.

[Rifneno]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Literalist here trying to be civil on your board.   No need to be a d*ck. 

I've changed my stance on IT and honestly hope that you folks are able to maintain your theory to the extent that it suits your desire for a better ending.  I think the EC may leave room for that, but it doesn't look like you're going to see it play out like you'd hoped (see Merizan tweet: EC will not confirm IT).  If they throw out a few nods and winks to allow the theory to continue, will that be enough?  I'm genuinely curious...do most of you need a definitive answer or are you ok with IT staying as it is - unconfirmed?

Absolutely not.  I'm done with Bioware if EC accomplishes nothing.  They cannot make the literal interpretations make sense, it simply can't be done.  And if they don't outright confirm IT they can't give IT a proper ending, which it lacks.  So I'm left with either choosing an ending that doesn't make sense, or an ending that isn't an ending at all and the Reapers are still reaping.  To hell with that.

[Dwailing]

Well, I'm off for the night. Jules, if you're around tomorrow, I'll do my best to answer your question if someone else doesn't. To all my fellow Theorists, until I see something from Bioware that outright denies IT, I'm going to keep holding the line. Hopefully, you all will do the same, though I bear you no ill will if you decide that you've lost faith. Until tomorrow.

[liggy002]

Rifneno wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Literalist here trying to be civil on your board.   No need to be a d*ck. 

I've changed my stance on IT and honestly hope that you folks are able to maintain your theory to the extent that it suits your desire for a better ending.  I think the EC may leave room for that, but it doesn't look like you're going to see it play out like you'd hoped (see Merizan tweet: EC will not confirm IT).  If they throw out a few nods and winks to allow the theory to continue, will that be enough?  I'm genuinely curious...do most of you need a definitive answer or are you ok with IT staying as it is - unconfirmed?

Absolutely not.  I'm done with Bioware if EC accomplishes nothing.  They cannot make the literal interpretations make sense, it simply can't be done.  And if they don't outright confirm IT they can't give IT a proper ending, which it lacks.  So I'm left with either choosing an ending that doesn't make sense, or an ending that isn't an ending at all and the Reapers are still reaping.  To hell with that.

Exactly, you hit the nail right on the head there my friend.  This is the core problem that they are not addressing.  They are likely preserving the ending because they believe in their minds that it makes sense and that we don't *get* it.  That is a load of crap.  Almost nobody *got* that ending.

[LazyTechGuy]

Well here's what Jessica said about additional closure DLCs in the future: (Convo starts at the bottom and goes upwards)

[TJBartlemus]

Well just finished working on Waking Nightmare Theory: version 2. Hopefully it is written out better than it was last time. For those who read my first one here is the link for the new one: http://social.biowar...87/blog/214350/

Last time I felt it was sloppy and not really well done, so now I feel I did a better job!! Comment on it if you like!!! I also left it sorta open so I can add anything I missed...