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[dreman9999]

Destructorlio wrote...

Well, I'm devastated. It seems pretty clear IT will not be a feature of the EC. I will try and keep an open mind until I play the EC, but my hopes have definitely plummeted. However I just want to say, regardless of what is or is not in the EC, I've had a lot of fun in this forum, and that's because of you good people and your interesting brains. Many thanks for all the intelligent debate and argument- you managed to be even more entertaining than the game itself.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need a very stiff drink.

It's not a defination of anything. The comment is just one stating no absolute awnser will ever be given. It just means we will fight over it for ever with no right or wrong awnser.

[Rifneno]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Bah. I can't stand Rikku. If she acted her age, she wouldn't be able to say "ma-ma" yet.

Bull hockies.

Well, Auron>Every other character in that game.

Agreed.  Auron was solid awesome.  Paine wasn't bad either, if you could stomach X-2.  I went into it knowing well warned and I expected the worst so I was okay with most of it.  ...  Most.  Anything involving LeBlanc still made me want to destroy the world.  Whoever wrote that character should be poisoned, stabbed, shot, hung, stretched, disemboweled, drawn, and quartered.  While we're at it, people are too hard on Tidus.  He whined, but he had reason to whine.  Most people would be in a padded room after what he went through.  I just want to punch the mass of gamers who call any expression of dissatisfaction "whining."  What, would it be better if every character was a socially stunted nimrod like Squall?

[Destructorlio]

dreman9999 wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Well, I'm devastated. It seems pretty clear IT will not be a feature of the EC. I will try and keep an open mind until I play the EC, but my hopes have definitely plummeted. However I just want to say, regardless of what is or is not in the EC, I've had a lot of fun in this forum, and that's because of you good people and your interesting brains. Many thanks for all the intelligent debate and argument- you managed to be even more entertaining than the game itself.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need a very stiff drink.

It's not a defination of anything. The comment is just one stating no absolute awnser will ever be given. It just means we will fight over it for ever with no right or wrong awnser.

I know, but I think one of the most appealing things about IT for me was that it gave some hope that the ending of ME3 might actually be quite good. Just leaving it 'open-ended' (whatever that means) will not be good. The ending could have been genius. But only if IT Was true. Now that it's been confirmed that EC will not address it... I'm really not hopeful it's going to be any good. I will still play it, obvs, but can't help the feeling that they've really missed a trick here. 

[FellishBeast]

Destructorlio wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Well, I'm devastated. It seems pretty clear IT will not be a feature of the EC. I will try and keep an open mind until I play the EC, but my hopes have definitely plummeted. However I just want to say, regardless of what is or is not in the EC, I've had a lot of fun in this forum, and that's because of you good people and your interesting brains. Many thanks for all the intelligent debate and argument- you managed to be even more entertaining than the game itself.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need a very stiff drink.

It's not a defination of anything. The comment is just one stating no absolute awnser will ever be given. It just means we will fight over it for ever with no right or wrong awnser.

I know, but I think one of the most appealing things about IT for me was that it gave some hope that the ending of ME3 might actually be quite good. Just leaving it 'open-ended' (whatever that means) will not be good. The ending could have been genius. But only if IT Was true. Now that it's been confirmed that EC will not address it... I'm really not hopeful it's going to be any good. I will still play it, obvs, but can't help the feeling that they've really missed a trick here. 

It could still be genius without IT, but IT was the most likely. Maybe Shepard is seeing into the future. Hah.

[Salient Archer]

So here’s the facts and what I’d like everyone on this forum to do is show me exactly where it says what the extended cut actually is... read it very carefully and very slowly and try not to make any assumptions before commenting. Just remember how many read that line in the Final Hours App and read subtext into it where none actually existed.

-Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Extended Cut will include deeper insight to Commander Shepard’s journey based on player choices during the war against the Reapers.

-The Extended Cut requires roughly 1.9 gigabytes of storage.

-The Extended Cut expands on the endings of Mass Effect 3 through additional scenes
and epilogue sequences. It provides more of the answers and closure that players have been asking for. It gives a sense of what the future holds as a result of the decisions made throughout the series. And it shows greater detail in the successes or failures based on how players achieved their endings.

-The Extended Cut is an expansion of the original endings to Mass Effect 3. It does not fundamentally change the endings, but rather it expands on the meaning of the original endings, and reveals greater detail on the impact of player decisions.

-To experience the Extended Cut, load a save game from before the attack on the Cerberus Base and play through to the end of the game. The Extended Cut endings will differ depending on choices made throughout the Mass Effect series, so multiple play-throughs with a variety of different decisions will be required to experience the variety of possibilities offered by the new content.

-A screenshot of Joker, Garrus (and random chick) getting a message from Hackett saying to disengage from the battle on earth and go to the rendezvous point.

-A screenshot of the normandy crew standing in front of the memorial wall, but can you actually tell me who each of those character are? ... There’s nine character standing there and I’ve counted (From L-R) Liara, Ashley, James, Garrus, Joker, Javik, Tali and Edi, but who is the man in the middle: It most closely resembles Kaiden (doubtful considering Ashley is there), but could it be Cortez or Adams or even a place holder for Shepard himself? I’m not saying who it is as I can’t definitively work it out.

-A very ambiguous podcast with Casey and Mac who actually don’t say anything beyond what we already know or didn’t have already written in the text on the BioWare blog other than they read everything from the tweets, youtube comments, reviews and forum and blog posts.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Did I miss anything in the last few hours?

[Golferguy758]

Salient Archer wrote...

So here’s the facts and what I’d like everyone on this forum to do is show me exactly where it says what the extended cut actually is... read it very carefully and very slowly and try not to make any assumptions before commenting. Just remember how many read that line in the Final Hours App and read subtext into it where none actually existed.

-Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Extended Cut will include deeper insight to Commander Shepard’s journey based on player choices during the war against the Reapers.

-The Extended Cut requires roughly 1.9 gigabytes of storage.

-The Extended Cut expands on the endings of Mass Effect 3 through additional scenes
and epilogue sequences. It provides more of the answers and closure that players have been asking for. It gives a sense of what the future holds as a result of the decisions made throughout the series. And it shows greater detail in the successes or failures based on how players achieved their endings.

-The Extended Cut is an expansion of the original endings to Mass Effect 3. It does not fundamentally change the endings, but rather it expands on the meaning of the original endings, and reveals greater detail on the impact of player decisions.

-To experience the Extended Cut, load a save game from before the attack on the Cerberus Base and play through to the end of the game. The Extended Cut endings will differ depending on choices made throughout the Mass Effect series, so multiple play-throughs with a variety of different decisions will be required to experience the variety of possibilities offered by the new content.

-A screenshot of Joker, Garrus (and random chick) getting a message from Hackett saying to disengage from the battle on earth and go to the rendezvous point.

-A screenshot of the normandy crew standing in front of the memorial wall, but can you actually tell me who each of those character are? ... There’s nine character standing there and I’ve counted (From L-R) Liara, Ashley, James, Garrus, Joker, Javik, Tali and Edi, but who is the man in the middle: It most closely resembles Kaiden (doubtful considering Ashley is there), but could it be Cortez or Adams or even a place holder for Shepard himself? I’m not saying who it is as I can’t definitively work it out.

-A very ambiguous podcast with Casey and Mac who actually don’t say anything beyond what we already know or didn’t have already written in the text on the BioWare blog other than they read everything from the tweets, youtube comments, reviews and forum and blog posts.

Well worded post. Too bad most people are going to just follow this motto:


People are really rushing to conclusions without seeing everything. Whether IT is true or not let the EC be the deciding factor. Not vague tweets or anything that has already been shown to be very inconsistent.

[Bill Casey]

dreman9999 wrote...

Destructorlio wrote...

Well, I'm devastated. It seems pretty clear IT will not be a feature of the EC. I will try and keep an open mind until I play the EC, but my hopes have definitely plummeted. However I just want to say, regardless of what is or is not in the EC, I've had a lot of fun in this forum, and that's because of you good people and your interesting brains. Many thanks for all the intelligent debate and argument- you managed to be even more entertaining than the game itself.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need a very stiff drink.

It's not a defination of anything. The comment is just one stating no absolute awnser will ever be given. It just means we will fight over it for ever with no right or wrong awnser.

You mean instead of one side going to heaven and the other one going to hell, we'll all be in purgatory forever?
Hooray!!!

Nobody's going to heaven!!!

[MaximizedAction]

So, the full EC 'experience' is going to start right after the missile defense fight. This is also the first time Harbinger is mentioned.
I guess we get to see more how Harbinger turns back towards Earth...maybe more perspectives from the various ship crews a la ME1 space battle.

But the most interesting/worrying tweet is that they are not going to say a thing about IT; it will be either more hints for indoctrination going on, or it will be more focus on the reality of the scenes. The latter could be something like a cutscene showing us how Hackett is saying "Shepard...Commander. The Crucible's not firing".

Tough being a skeptic these days!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 23 juin 2012 - 07:39 .

[Starbuck8]

Salient Archer wrote...

So here’s the facts and what I’d like everyone on this forum to do is show me exactly where it says what the extended cut actually is... read it very carefully and very slowly and try not to make any assumptions before commenting. Just remember how many read that line in the Final Hours App and read subtext into it where none actually existed.

-Through additional cinematic sequences and epilogue scenes, the Extended Cut will include deeper insight to Commander Shepard’s journey based on player choices during the war against the Reapers.

-The Extended Cut requires roughly 1.9 gigabytes of storage.

-The Extended Cut expands on the endings of Mass Effect 3 through additional scenes
and epilogue sequences. It provides more of the answers and closure that players have been asking for. It gives a sense of what the future holds as a result of the decisions made throughout the series. And it shows greater detail in the successes or failures based on how players achieved their endings.

-The Extended Cut is an expansion of the original endings to Mass Effect 3. It does not fundamentally change the endings, but rather it expands on the meaning of the original endings, and reveals greater detail on the impact of player decisions.

-To experience the Extended Cut, load a save game from before the attack on the Cerberus Base and play through to the end of the game. The Extended Cut endings will differ depending on choices made throughout the Mass Effect series, so multiple play-throughs with a variety of different decisions will be required to experience the variety of possibilities offered by the new content.

-A screenshot of Joker, Garrus (and random chick) getting a message from Hackett saying to disengage from the battle on earth and go to the rendezvous point.

-A screenshot of the normandy crew standing in front of the memorial wall, but can you actually tell me who each of those character are? ... There’s nine character standing there and I’ve counted (From L-R) Liara, Ashley, James, Garrus, Joker, Javik, Tali and Edi, but who is the man in the middle: It most closely resembles Kaiden (doubtful considering Ashley is there), but could it be Cortez or Adams or even a place holder for Shepard himself? I’m not saying who it is as I can’t definitively work it out.

-A very ambiguous podcast with Casey and Mac who actually don’t say anything beyond what we already know or didn’t have already written in the text on the BioWare blog other than they read everything from the tweets, youtube comments, reviews and forum and blog posts.

Thank you! Everytime a troll, flaming literalist, or even disheartened ITer pops in and says "well, that's it guys", we point them here!

[Makrys]

At this point... I am not optimistic. I simply hope to be pleasantly surprised.

[Corik]

No news I guess. I keep finding pretty weird the fact that Bioware hasn't expecifically said "nah, this is not what we've got for you". In any case, things are like always. IT can be true, face value can be true. Given the info we've got yesterday I feel like EC will improve the ending no matter what. I hope our choices through the games really make a difference now. Rachni, geth in peace with quarians, LI, surviving friends... If IT is true it could be awesome, but right now.... I don't really care. I just want a good ending. Not even an awesome one... just a good one. I'm almost sure it will be awesome, tho. And nothing has debunked IT yet. The size of the DLC gives too much room for speculation...

[A_Pissed_Iguana]

Well, it looks like things are pretty much over for the IT (though we wont know for sure until Tuesday). I am going to leave you guys with this:webkit-fake-url://E3405CEF-3E8F-4232-937F-B2E2B790B7F9/imagejpeg

Modifié par A_Pissed_Iguana, 23 juin 2012 - 08:10 .

[StElmo]

Corik wrote...

No news I guess. I keep finding pretty weird the fact that Bioware hasn't expecifically said "nah, this is not what we've got for you". In any case, things are like always. IT can be true, face value can be true. Given the info we've got yesterday I feel like EC will improve the ending no matter what. I hope our choices through the games really make a difference now. Rachni, geth in peace with quarians, LI, surviving friends... If IT is true it could be awesome, but right now.... I don't really care. I just want a good ending. Not even an awesome one... just a good one. I'm almost sure it will be awesome, tho. And nothing has debunked IT yet. The size of the DLC gives too much room for speculation...

my guess is they will come out and say this on monday.

This will then leave some people fight amongst themselves while everyone else plays the EC, it will split the dissent, which is a good strategy.

If they don't do this by monday, I will be more fishy.

[Corik]

I really feel sorry for extremists in both sides. It's sad to see people insulting other people just because they have a different opinion, or because what they thought was finally true and not what other people thought.

IT may be over (or it may not) but Mass Effect will be EPIC... it will always be.

[MaximizedAction]

Hm, it's funny how from a objective, psychological point of view I should feel silly. Because, as long as Bioware stayed quiet it was easy to agree with Arians theory because it makes such a great sense. In his theory, the EC doesn't even have to confirm anything. BioWare still saves the day if that was their plan all along.

Then, le wild BioWare appear and repeat what they already said and wrote. Only now with pretty pictures of people working and a release date, and suddenly, because the 'master' spoke and tweeted, the ship starts sinking somehow.

Of course, no one will say "Oh yeah, of course we're going to release another ending DLC later on." Gotta repeat to myself: The EC is extending the game we got. It is not changing anthing about the game on the disc, it's just decorating it, not changing anything.

Or in other words: It will end the story in the same way we already know:
the ending where our Shepard, who touches two electrified handles hears sounds of trains in the background or switches a gun exactly when a shockwave hits him. And it'll likely still have that final dialog where the shadows of TIM and Anderson are fixed although the characters are moving.

The ending of a likely hallucinating Shepard.

[Taco Del Marr]

Regardless of how this shakes out I just want you guys to know that I have greatly enjoyed everything you all have found or any ideas you have come up with, and it has been quite a ride, I'm just glad I could be apart of it.

[Jadebaby]

Makrys wrote...

At this point... I am not optimistic. I simply hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Can someone PLEASE fill me in, i've been away for only 24 hours and it seems something has gone down..

EC next week? Really?

[MaximizedAction]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

At this point... I am not optimistic. I simply hope to be pleasantly surprised.

Can someone PLEASE fill me in, i've been away for only 24 hours and it seems something has gone down..

EC next week? Really?

Check BioWare's blog, the ME3 website...it's all over the interwebs...

[Corik]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Hm, it's funny how from a objective, psychological point of view I should feel silly. Because, as long as Bioware stayed quiet it was easy to agree with Arians theory because it makes such a great sense. In his theory, the EC doesn't even have to confirm anything. BioWare still saves the day if that was their plan all along.

Then, le wild BioWare appear and repeat what they already said and wrote. Only now with pretty pictures of people working and a release date, and suddenly, because the 'master' spoke and tweeted, the ship starts sinking somehow.

Of course, no one will say "Oh yeah, of course we're going to release another ending DLC later on." Gotta repeat to myself: The EC is extending the game we got. It is not changing anthing about the game on the disc, it's just decorating it, not changing anything.

Or in other words: It will end the story in the same way we already know:
the ending where our Shepard, who touches two electrified handles hears sounds of trains in the background or switches a gun exactly when a shockwave hits him. And it'll likely still have that final dialog where the shadows of TIM and Anderson are fixed although the characters are moving.

The ending of a likely hallucinating Shepard.

It's a self-protection mechanism. Preparing for IT to be false is a very smart move if you really think you couldn't get over while playing. In my case my only worry is indeed having an EPIC ending so I don't have those problems and still admit that there's nothing denying IT at this moment.

[RavenEyry]

Mixed thoughts about this EC announcement. The wording makes it sound like it's gonna be an hour of "you were too dumb to understand our genius, here's some guys to explain it to you" again, but the download size and telling you to play from the cerberus base is rather suspicious.

Whatever actually happens, I had a good time theorizing with you lot and hope everyone continues to be polite and sensible, whatever happens.

[Starbuck8]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Hm, it's funny how from a objective, psychological point of view I should feel silly. Because, as long as Bioware stayed quiet it was easy to agree with Arians theory because it makes such a great sense. In his theory, the EC doesn't even have to confirm anything. BioWare still saves the day if that was their plan all along.

Then, le wild BioWare appear and repeat what they already said and wrote. Only now with pretty pictures of people working and a release date, and suddenly, because the 'master' spoke and tweeted, the ship starts sinking somehow.

Of course, no one will say "Oh yeah, of course we're going to release another ending DLC later on." Gotta repeat to myself: The EC is extending the game we got. It is not changing anthing about the game on the disc, it's just decorating it, not changing anything.

Or in other words: It will end the story in the same way we already know:
the ending where our Shepard, who touches two electrified handles hears sounds of trains in the background or switches a gun exactly when a shockwave hits him. And it'll likely still have that final dialog where the shadows of TIM and Anderson are fixed although the characters are moving.

The ending of a likely hallucinating Shepard.

Honestly from everything that's been said/tweeted I have a feeling that they're simply going to make whatever's going on at the end more obvious in the EC. I think there's going to possibly be more obvious hints toward IT, but of course it's possible only the literal parts of the ending will be explained and the IT hints we already have will be left as-is. Anyway, sounds like they'll be explaining everything at comc con, so if the EC isn't explicit on IT, it may be confirmed there. Or they may end up saying "whether you think shepard was indoctrinated is up to you". That would suck but hey, it's their game.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 23 juin 2012 - 08:43 .

[Corik]

Nah, I don't think so. There's kinda a confirmation of Shepard reuniting with his crew. This is the end. Indoctrination attempt or not, Shepard's story will end here. There will be nothing more to discuss after that.

In any case, I think an indoctrination attempt was going on with TIM conversation. EC will tell us if it was a full hallucination or if Shepard was resisting the indoctrination attempt and everything happened in real world.

[Starbuck8]

Corik wrote...

Nah, I don't think so. There's kinda a confirmation of Shepard reuniting with his crew. This is the end. Indoctrination attempt or not, Shepard's story will end here. There will be nothing more to discuss after that.

In any case, I think an indoctrination attempt was going on with TIM conversation. EC will tell us if it was a full hallucination or if Shepard was resisting the indoctrination attempt and everything happened in real world.

Who were you replying to?

[MaximizedAction]

Starbuck8 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Hm, it's funny how from a objective, psychological point of view I should feel silly. Because, as long as Bioware stayed quiet it was easy to agree with Arians theory because it makes such a great sense. In his theory, the EC doesn't even have to confirm anything. BioWare still saves the day if that was their plan all along.

Then, le wild BioWare appear and repeat what they already said and wrote. Only now with pretty pictures of people working and a release date, and suddenly, because the 'master' spoke and tweeted, the ship starts sinking somehow.

Of course, no one will say "Oh yeah, of course we're going to release another ending DLC later on." Gotta repeat to myself: The EC is extending the game we got. It is not changing anthing about the game on the disc, it's just decorating it, not changing anything.

Or in other words: It will end the story in the same way we already know:
the ending where our Shepard, who touches two electrified handles hears sounds of trains in the background or switches a gun exactly when a shockwave hits him. And it'll likely still have that final dialog where the shadows of TIM and Anderson are fixed although the characters are moving.

The ending of a likely hallucinating Shepard.

Honestly from everything that's been said/tweeted I have a feeling that they're simply going to make whatever's going on at the end more obvious. I think there's going to possibly be more obvious hints toward IT, but of course it's possible only the literal parts of the ending will be explained and the IT hints we already have will be left as-is. Anyway, sounds like they'll be explaining everything at comc con, so if the EC isn't explicit on IT, it may be confirmed there. Or they may end up saying "whether you think shepard was indoctrinated is up to you". That would suck but hey, it's their game.

Reading Jessica's tweets, that is what I expect. But to me that's not so bad, considering it means that they just keep their secretive attitide they had going on for the last couple of months. Also, isn't a good twist worth setting back the expectations down?

To have Bruce Willis' character being dead a better twist, what would Shyamalan do? More hints for it or more hints against it?

We know, that they still have a lot of DLC planned. And their words remain: "We always had big plans"; "if you guys knew what we planned, the reaction would be different...". I don't think more scenes showing Hackett telling to fall back is the big surprise.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 23 juin 2012 - 08:35 .