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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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RussianZombeh wrote...

Before the 8th of March 2012, the Bioware Social Network was a happy place. A place where the community of Mass Effect (and Dragon Age ;) ) could gather and talk about what they loved.

On the 8th of March 2012, 2 days after the release of Mass Effect 3; people began to finish the game. The ending became a hot topic of debate. It was like marmite, some hated and some loved it. Friction and tension started to rise in the Mass Effect community. Less than 1 day later, theories of Commander Shepard's indoctrination arose. The Indoctrination Theory was born, and so was the BSN Civil War.

The war tore the community into 3 parts. Those who believed the Theory, those who didn't and those who were neutral. What was once a peaceful place where people conversed and had fun had quickly become a warzone. People arguing everywhere, insults being thrown around. Countless hours spent studying the game for clues to support the Theory. Documentaries made, newspaper articles written. The ending and the Indoctrination Theory had all but disintegrated the Mass Effect community.

3 months later, the war still wages. But in 4 days, it will all end.
In 4 days, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut is released.
In 4 days, the truth will out.
In 4 days, this endless and bitter war will hopefully come to an end.


Thumbs up if you read this in admiral hackets voice!

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Nah, I don't think so. There's kinda a confirmation of Shepard reuniting with his crew. This is the end. Indoctrination attempt or not, Shepard's story will end here. There will be nothing more to discuss after that.

In any case, I think an indoctrination attempt was going on with TIM conversation. EC will tell us if it was a full hallucination or if Shepard was resisting the indoctrination attempt and everything happened in real world.


Who were you replying to?


to you! :P

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MaximizedAction wrote...

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At this point... I am not optimistic. I simply hope to be pleasantly surprised.


Can someone PLEASE fill me in, i've been away for only 24 hours and it seems something has gone down..

EC next week? Really?


Check BioWare's blog, the ME3 website...it's all over the interwebs...


Dear God... I have a BAD feeling about this...

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I completely agree with Corik. I really just want a good ending, something that will wrap up the trilogy well. Whether it be IT or FV. I just want to eat some cake.

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ZeogYoru vas Tasi wrote...

 I have a bad feeling this is going to be everyone at and after June 26th...
http://youtu.be/I_H3uWLW3N4?t=20s



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maxloef wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

Before the 8th of March 2012, the Bioware Social Network was a happy place. A place where the community of Mass Effect (and Dragon Age ;) ) could gather and talk about what they loved.

On the 8th of March 2012, 2 days after the release of Mass Effect 3; people began to finish the game. The ending became a hot topic of debate. It was like marmite, some hated and some loved it. Friction and tension started to rise in the Mass Effect community. Less than 1 day later, theories of Commander Shepard's indoctrination arose. The Indoctrination Theory was born, and so was the BSN Civil War.

The war tore the community into 3 parts. Those who believed the Theory, those who didn't and those who were neutral. What was once a peaceful place where people conversed and had fun had quickly become a warzone. People arguing everywhere, insults being thrown around. Countless hours spent studying the game for clues to support the Theory. Documentaries made, newspaper articles written. The ending and the Indoctrination Theory had all but disintegrated the Mass Effect community.

3 months later, the war still wages. But in 4 days, it will all end.
In 4 days, the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut is released.
In 4 days, the truth will out.
In 4 days, this endless and bitter war will hopefully come to an end.


Thumbs up if you read this in admiral hackets voice!


It was more like this www.youtube.com/watch

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Corik wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Corik wrote...

Nah, I don't think so. There's kinda a confirmation of Shepard reuniting with his crew. This is the end. Indoctrination attempt or not, Shepard's story will end here. There will be nothing more to discuss after that.

In any case, I think an indoctrination attempt was going on with TIM conversation. EC will tell us if it was a full hallucination or if Shepard was resisting the indoctrination attempt and everything happened in real world.


Who were you replying to?


to you! :P


Oh lol, well I wasn't implying there would be anything more than the EC. I was talking about EC ^_^ and that if it was ambiguous at all, they'd be explaining it at comic con. Gamble actually mentioned discussing their logic tree for the EC at comic con in his twitter I believe.

Edit: twitter link twitter.com/GambleMike/status/216220298427633664

Modifié par Starbuck8, 23 juin 2012 - 08:47 .


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I am starting to think it may go both ways. The ending actually happened, but if Shepard picked Control or Synthesis, he's indoctrinated. Agreeing with the Reaper ways.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

At this point... I am not optimistic. I simply hope to be pleasantly surprised.


Can someone PLEASE fill me in, i've been away for only 24 hours and it seems something has gone down..

EC next week? Really?


Check BioWare's blog, the ME3 website...it's all over the interwebs...


Dear God... I have a BAD feeling about this...


Don't! Since it's an extension of the initial game, it still has to keep it's speculative value. It'll still "feel like Brave New World and the first Matrix".

Only if I see an in-game message pop up, that says "Shepard was not indoctrinated", then will I be sure. Otherwise, I personally expect the keeping the status quo, just with more decoration, so that it feels like closure for what we saw in the ending.

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Seriously ITers, Where is this defeatist attitude on display coming from? Am I too dense to realise the battle it over or is it that I've refused to listen to the speculation of the masses who know just as much as we do: Which is nothing by the way. Because last time I checked the only two things the BioWare blog, tweets and podcast have 100% confirmed is that the EC is coming out on the 26th and that it's a hefty 1.9GB in size... where does that say the IT couldn't be true? Where in Walters or Hudson PR double talk, padding and pandering do they actually say anything of substance?. As far I'm concerned it's still GAME ON!

"Whose like us? Damn few and they're all dead!"

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If EC doesn't do IT then IT becomes fanfic, that's just fact.

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Salient Archer wrote...

Seriously ITers, Where is this defeatist attitude on display coming from? Am I too dense to realise the battle it over or is it that I've refused to listen to the speculation of the masses who know just as much as we do: Which is nothing by the way. Because last time I checked the only two things the BioWare blog, tweets and podcast have 100% confirmed is that the EC is coming out on the 26th and that it's a hefty 1.9GB in size... where does that say the IT couldn't be true? Where in Walters or Hudson PR double talk, padding and pandering do they actually say anything of substance?. As far I'm concerned it's still GAME ON!

"Whose like us? Damn few and they're all dead!"


They talk about how in depth the conclusion will be to various choices and how the Mass Effect universe will progress after they say goodbye to it. It's 1.9GB because it has to cater to so many different choices, them all being cinematics, I don't see how they can fit a narrative twist in there. They also confirmed that there will be no new gameplay, period.

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@Salient
I am not counting IT out now, the hope is still there, but it does seem less likely because of that picture of the Geth w/ green eye. We've been hit, our morale's low. But we'll dust ourselves off, and get back into the trenches.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

If EC doesn't do IT then IT becomes fanfic, that's just fact.


I think the EC might alter IT a bit. But for IT to become fanfic, I think they'd have to remove all these crazy things that happened in the last moments. And I don't think the EC will remove anything.

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UrgentArchengel wrote...

@Salient
I am not counting IT out now, the hope is still there, but it does seem less likely because of that picture of the Geth w/ green eye. We've been hit, our morale's low. But we'll dust ourselves off, and get back into the trenches.


Exactly.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Seriously ITers, Where is this defeatist attitude on display coming from? Am I too dense to realise the battle it over or is it that I've refused to listen to the speculation of the masses who know just as much as we do: Which is nothing by the way. Because last time I checked the only two things the BioWare blog, tweets and podcast have 100% confirmed is that the EC is coming out on the 26th and that it's a hefty 1.9GB in size... where does that say the IT couldn't be true? Where in Walters or Hudson PR double talk, padding and pandering do they actually say anything of substance?. As far I'm concerned it's still GAME ON!

"Whose like us? Damn few and they're all dead!"


They talk about how in depth the conclusion will be to various choices and how the Mass Effect universe will progress after they say goodbye to it. It's 1.9GB because it has to cater to so many different choices, them all being cinematics, I don't see how they can fit a narrative twist in there. They also confirmed that there will be no new gameplay, period.


Actually it's no new combat.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Seriously ITers, Where is this defeatist attitude on display coming from? Am I too dense to realise the battle it over or is it that I've refused to listen to the speculation of the masses who know just as much as we do: Which is nothing by the way. Because last time I checked the only two things the BioWare blog, tweets and podcast have 100% confirmed is that the EC is coming out on the 26th and that it's a hefty 1.9GB in size... where does that say the IT couldn't be true? Where in Walters or Hudson PR double talk, padding and pandering do they actually say anything of substance?. As far I'm concerned it's still GAME ON!

"Whose like us? Damn few and they're all dead!"


They talk about how in depth the conclusion will be to various choices and how the Mass Effect universe will progress after they say goodbye to it. It's 1.9GB because it has to cater to so many different choices, them all being cinematics, I don't see how they can fit a narrative twist in there. They also confirmed that there will be no new gameplay, period.

Really, did they?, read and listen to their words again and think about what they’re actually saying; Because last time I checked they haven’t said anything they hadn’t already and never once have they said what it wouldn't include just what it would. I'm quite adept at PR double talk thanks to my military service and now being an educator. Although they aren't lying they've not once told us the the whole truth. They've told us just enough to pacify but still kept it juicy enough to build on speculation, there's a lot that's been left undisclosed so never believe in absolutes until the 26th rolls around otherwise you're just selling your own intelligence short.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 23 juin 2012 - 08:57 .


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UrgentArchengel wrote...

@Salient
I am not counting IT out now, the hope is still there, but it does seem less likely because of that picture of the Geth w/ green eye. We've been hit, our morale's low. But we'll dust ourselves off, and get back into the trenches.


Is there a higher res version of that pic? Cuz that geth's eye looks kinda blue to me...

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EC will decide more than just if IT is true, i believe it will also decide how popular MP stays

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Salient Archer wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Seriously ITers, Where is this defeatist attitude on display coming from? Am I too dense to realise the battle it over or is it that I've refused to listen to the speculation of the masses who know just as much as we do: Which is nothing by the way. Because last time I checked the only two things the BioWare blog, tweets and podcast have 100% confirmed is that the EC is coming out on the 26th and that it's a hefty 1.9GB in size... where does that say the IT couldn't be true? Where in Walters or Hudson PR double talk, padding and pandering do they actually say anything of substance?. As far I'm concerned it's still GAME ON!

"Whose like us? Damn few and they're all dead!"


They talk about how in depth the conclusion will be to various choices and how the Mass Effect universe will progress after they say goodbye to it. It's 1.9GB because it has to cater to so many different choices, them all being cinematics, I don't see how they can fit a narrative twist in there. They also confirmed that there will be no new gameplay, period.

Really, did they?, read and listen to their words again and think about what they’re actually saying; Because last time I checked they haven’t said anything they hadn’t already and never once have they said what it wouldn't include just what it would. I'm quite adept at PR double talk thanks to my military service and now being an educator. Although they aren't lying they've not once told us the the whole truth. They've told us just enough to pacify but still kept it juicy enough to build on speculation, there's a lot that's been left undisclosed so never believe in absolutes until the 26th rolls around otherwise you're just selling your own intelligence short.


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They may have said no new combat, but Jessica Merizan said the new stuff started around the Banshee/Brute rave party, which I think could hint at a potential boss fight or something. Either way, that part is definitely combat...so I don't know.

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@MaximizedAction: hahaha, oh Colbert. Hang on are you alluding to the fact that I'm a poorly-informed, well intentioned high-status idiot?

Modifié par Salient Archer, 23 juin 2012 - 09:06 .


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Where is this "Greene-eyed Geth" picture, btw?

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Starbuck8 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

@Salient
I am not counting IT out now, the hope is still there, but it does seem less likely because of that picture of the Geth w/ green eye. We've been hit, our morale's low. But we'll dust ourselves off, and get back into the trenches.


Is there a higher res version of that pic? Cuz that geth's eye looks kinda blue to me...


Not sure, but I double checked.  It's green.  No doubt.  It Helps I can zoom on my phone.