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[MaximizedAction]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Well, the size might sound like more than it is. I mean, think of all the different cutscenes they had to create for it, with a lot of different variables. I think cutscenes take up a lot of space. And it will definately have a lot more than a "normal" DLC.

That's also how I see it.
But even if it would not have to take into account all the different choices, for it to be what we expect in case IT is true: plug into right where we left, 2 gig are still too small if it is to provede an IT ending, i.e. the actual ending of the game.

[Silent Rogue]

TSA_383 wrote...

Silent Rogue wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Oh, and

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216323581741760512
"we made it clear at PAX East we weren't going to be perscriptive about IT. If you believe in IT the EC shouldn't change that."

Damn. It seems a bit obvious now that they will neither deny nor confirm IT in the EC. I think they're trying to please both parties - those that like the endings as they are (can't see how, tho) and those that don't and really like IT. If so it's not the way to go. Absolutely not. It will be like the Shepard's breathes scene viewed as an easter egg - showing they're not commited to face facts.

They've said that they're not going to deny it...
Show me where they've said they're not going to confirm it

We'll see on tuesday, but still.

Was just playing some multiplayer - is it just me or does fighting Cerberus with a Reegar Carbine feel a bit like cheating?

That's just the vibe I'm getting from reading that quote. For example the word choice of 'shouldn't' indicates there's a possibility that you won't believe in IT. But then again she could just be saying that to keep us on the edge of our seats even if IT is real.
Don't worry, I'm still hopeful.  

[UrgentArchengel]

This is the hard part. We got a date, but these next few days will feel like years.

[Vinny]

An Indoctrination attempt implies that the Reapers tried to mess with his mind, and we know (from ME2) that even a dead Reaper can still indoctrinate people. If Shepard can continue his life normally after the Destroy ending, then the Theory is wrong.
If it's true, he could never be the same again. A part of him would belong to the Reapers.

[Silent Rogue]

StElmo wrote...

Silent Rogue wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Silent Rogue wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Oh, and

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216323581741760512
"we made it clear at PAX East we weren't going to be perscriptive about IT. If you believe in IT the EC shouldn't change that."

Damn. It seems a bit obvious now that they will neither deny nor confirm IT in the EC. I think they're trying to please both parties - those that like the endings as they are (can't see how, tho) and those that don't and really like IT. If so it's not the way to go. Absolutely not. It will be like the Shepard's breathes scene viewed as an easter egg - showing they're not commited to face facts.

But that inherently means no clarity or closure...

Not necessarily. I think it will provide clarity and closure to an extent.

Sorry to pick you up on this, but where were the words "to an extent" in the press release?

Just sayin.

They were not said explicitly, no. All they said was "additional" and "more" clarity and closure I believe. Doesn't mean they'll answer every single thing. They could very well do mind you. Just saying.

[Silent Rogue]

Epök wrote...

An Indoctrination attempt implies that the Reapers tried to mess with his mind, and we know (from ME2) that even a dead Reaper can still indoctrinate people. If Shepard can continue his life normally after the Destroy ending, then the Theory is wrong.
If it's true, he could never be the same again. A part of him would belong to the Reapers.

But he isn't indoctrinated. There was an indoctrination attempt, yes but it failed if he chose destroy according to IT... Right?

Modifié par Silent Rogue, 23 juin 2012 - 12:11 .

[Vinny]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Epök wrote...

An Indoctrination attempt implies that the Reapers tried to mess with his mind, and we know (from ME2) that even a dead Reaper can still indoctrinate people. If Shepard can continue his life normally after the Destroy ending, then the Theory is wrong.
If it's true, he could never be the same again. A part of him would belong to the Reapers.

but we don't know that Indoctrination can't be defeated because the victim doesn't realize he is being indoctrinated. If you don't realize it, and you manage to beat it then you cant really come out and say "oh, i beat indoctrination last night, dood!" So i say it is possible.

Well, from what we know, some people can realize they are indoctrinated at some point. Saren did, TIM did, even Samara's daughter did.
Some others see something is going wrong (the scientists on the dead Reaper in ME2, Brynn....). So, to me, if they tried to indoctrinate him, something would change with him. The Theorists will see it as Indoctrination, maybe the others will see as a simple PTSD.

[Rifneno]

Epök wrote...

Some others see something is going wrong (the scientists on the dead Reaper in ME2, Brynn....). So, to me, if they tried to indoctrinate him, something would change with him. The Theorists will see it as Indoctrination, maybe the others will see as a simple PTSD.

Others don't know what the hell PTSD is then.

[TSA_383]

Guys, I didn't realise there were two versions of the third dream sequence (??) Just played through and got a slightly different one... Caught it on fraps but won't be able to upload til later.

[UrgentArchengel]

Rifneno wrote...

Epök wrote...

Some others see something is going wrong (the scientists on the dead Reaper in ME2, Brynn....). So, to me, if they tried to indoctrinate him, something would change with him. The Theorists will see it as Indoctrination, maybe the others will see as a simple PTSD.

Others don't know what the hell PTSD is then.

Yeah, my dad's a war vet.  Your correct.

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

Guys, I didn't realise there were two versions of the third dream sequence (??) Just played through and got a slightly different one... Caught it on fraps but won't be able to upload til later.

W...what?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Rifneno wrote...

Epök wrote...

Some others see something is going wrong (the scientists on the dead Reaper in ME2, Brynn....). So, to me, if they tried to indoctrinate him, something would change with him. The Theorists will see it as Indoctrination, maybe the others will see as a simple PTSD.

Others don't know what the hell PTSD is then.

Also conerning the scientists on the dead Reaper they were probably subjected to the fast form of Indoctrination since they were all Husks by the time we get there. Shepard Indoctrination is the slow, subtle kind meant to create a lasting undercover agent or ally.

[Vinny]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Epök wrote...

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Epök wrote...

An Indoctrination attempt implies that the Reapers tried to mess with his mind, and we know (from ME2) that even a dead Reaper can still indoctrinate people. If Shepard can continue his life normally after the Destroy ending, then the Theory is wrong.
If it's true, he could never be the same again. A part of him would belong to the Reapers.

but we don't know that Indoctrination can't be defeated because the victim doesn't realize he is being indoctrinated. If you don't realize it, and you manage to beat it then you cant really come out and say "oh, i beat indoctrination last night, dood!" So i say it is possible.

Well, from what we know, some people can realize they are indoctrinated at some point. Saren did, TIM did, even Samara's daughter did.
Some others see something is going wrong (the scientists on the dead Reaper in ME2, Brynn....). So, to me, if they tried to indoctrinate him, something would change with him. The Theorists will see it as Indoctrination, maybe the others will see as a simple PTSD.

Yes but i mean the attempts are so subtle that you don't realize you are being indoctrinated. So if you do manage to reject the indoctrination you never realize it

Yep, I don't think Shepard will trully realize it someday. Like you said, he won't wake up one day and say : "Hell, I was indoctrinated." It doesn't work like that.
Like you can't release the Extended Cut and say : "People, that was nice. But if you picked up Synthesis or Control, then you're stupid. What you believed in, the choices you made over the last 3 games and how the galaxy is supposed to be according to your choice at the end... All of this is irrelevant. /spitintheface"

(Sorry if there are mistakes. My English can be pretty bad sometimes...  )

[Earthborn_Shepard]

MaximizedAction wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Guys, I didn't realise there were two versions of the third dream sequence (??) Just played through and got a slightly different one... Caught it on fraps but won't be able to upload til later.

W...what?

what was the difference?

[Rifneno]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Yeah, my dad's a war vet. Your correct.

Yeah, mine's a vet too. Well, you know, ice cream salesman in the Navy. Same difference, right? <sheepish look>
Anyway, people pointing to PTSD seem to think its only symptom is "nightmares". Nightmares that are chock full of indoctrination symptoms too. But diagnosing PTSD based on one symptom is like diagnosing ebola after only hearing the patient has a fever. The real problem is that everyone thinks they're a psychologist nowadays. See my sig. Perfect example. People who know the first thing about psychology tend to be the ones to realize how much they don't know and not make ****** assumptions like "durrr, des guys tink shepherd indoctornated, dey mus bee in deenile."

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Also conerning the scientists on the dead Reaper they were probably subjected to the fast form of Indoctrination since they were all Husks by the time we get there. Shepard Indoctrination is the slow, subtle kind meant to create a lasting undercover agent or ally.

There's a bunch of other issues with it too. Like the fact we have no evidence that "dead" Reaper was... whatever the equivalent of braindead is for a Reaper. Its body being unable to escape that dwarf's gravity does not mean its mind was no longer functional. The fact it put up kinetic barriers to trap Shepard indicates the opposite in fact. And if putting up kinetic barriers was an automated response, why wasn't there any mention of it from the scientists' logs? No, those barriers were a conscious decision to trap Shepard.

Epök wrote...

Like you can't release the Extended Cut and say : "People, that was nice. But if you picked up Synthesis or Control, then you're stupid. What you believed in, the choices you made over the last 3 games and how the galaxy is supposed to be according to your choice at the end... All of this is irrelevant. /spitintheface"

So you want the game to hold your hand and make sure nothing bad happens. Personally I'd rather have a game where it's possible to **** up. I don't like hand holding. I like consequences for poor decisions.

[Salient Archer]

Replaying my insane game in prep for Tuesday and I can't help but laugh when I save the council on Priority: Citadel while wearing my Cerberus armour.. also my Paragon Shep shoots Udina every time, no hesitation.

[SixG90]

TSA_383 wrote...

Guys, I didn't realise there were two versions of the third dream sequence (??) Just played through and got a slightly different one... Caught it on fraps but won't be able to upload til later.

What? I don't even... 

[Rifneno]

ll PAYASO323 ll wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Replaying my insane game in prep for Tuesday and I can't help but laugh when I save the council on Priority: Citadel while wearing my Cerberus armour.. also my Paragon Shep shoots Udina every time, no hesitation.

Same here. F*** that guy

With a chainsaw covered in salt.

[NoSpin]

Well, not confirming or denying is a slap in the face to everyone. Which can be taken as a "we still plan to launch really cool IT DLC later", or "We are idiots and really don't want to tick off the fans who thought we had an ounce of writing ability".

[TSA_383]

mrs.N7 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Guys, I didn't realise there were two versions of the third dream sequence (??) Just played through and got a slightly different one... Caught it on fraps but won't be able to upload til later.

What? I don't even... 

Subtly so - found it by turning around and walking away, got the voices whispering "Shepard" then the child running away through the shadows followed by the usual ending where shepard arrives and you see the child and the doppelganger burn.