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[Earthborn_Shepard]

TSA_383 wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Guys, I didn't realise there were two versions of the third dream sequence (??) Just played through and got a slightly different one... Caught it on fraps but won't be able to upload til later.

What? I don't even... 

Subtly so - found it by turning around and walking away, got the voices whispering "Shepard" then the child running away through the shadows followed by the usual ending where shepard arrives and you see the child and the doppelganger burn.

uh.. and what's supposed to be the difference?

[TSA_383]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

mrs.N7 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Guys, I didn't realise there were two versions of the third dream sequence (??) Just played through and got a slightly different one... Caught it on fraps but won't be able to upload til later.

What? I don't even... 

Subtly so - found it by turning around and walking away, got the voices whispering "Shepard" then the child running away through the shadows followed by the usual ending where shepard arrives and you see the child and the doppelganger burn.

uh.. and what's supposed to be the difference?

huh, All my previous playthroughs I never got the scene of the child running away, just walk up and he's already with replica-shep.
Wasn't pitching this as a discovery, just found it curious that there were two versions

[Vinny]

 So you want the game to hold your hand and make sure nothing bad happens. Personally I'd rather have a game where it's possible to **** up. I don't like hand holding. I like consequences for poor decisions.

I won't answer about post traumatic syndrom. You seem to know far more than I do !

What i'm trying to say about the endings... it's not like there is a good or bad ending. It's a roleplaying game and your character is shapped by your choices and the way you want it to be.
I like the Indoctrination Theory because you see things from a different perspective but it doesn't mean it will be the case for every character created. You guys found some amazing stuff, and if you believe in this Theory then you have to go very deep into the rabbit hole and the material is here. The Arrival isn't there for nothing. Remember what Joker said about EDI in ME2 ? : "That doesn't change anything, It's still watching. Like some creepy kid staring at the back of your head in comp sci. You just want to... punch him. But he is "special" and sets fire or somethin'." ME2 is full of things like that. 

But again, the ending is built around what you believe in, not around what's the best for the game. If you listen to the podcast, I believe that's what Hudson and Walters are trying to say when they say : "We can't change the ending because that would be a story we couldn't write."
1. because it has always been designed like that.
2. because they know that if people keep taliking about, the product will stay alive. They wanted "a Blade Runner" and they have it. 

Modifié par Epök, 23 juin 2012 - 01:28 .

[TSA_383]

Interesting:
https://twitter.com/...454383930585088

Seems they're making it easier to get high EMS?

[StElmo]

POLL FOR YOU GUYS:

http://social.bioware.com/1968682/polls/35617/

[SirLugash]

TSA_383 wrote...

Interesting:
https://twitter.com/...454383930585088

Seems they're making it easier to get high EMS?

Well they wanted to fix the problem that you can't get all ending possibilities without playing MP.
I'm curious whether this will be by adding some War Assets to be collected or by decreasing the EMS threshold for the "Breath Scenne".

[Rifneno]

Epök wrote...

 So you want the game to hold your hand and make sure nothing bad happens. Personally I'd rather have a game where it's possible to **** up. I don't like hand holding. I like consequences for poor decisions.

I won't answer about post traumatic syndrom. You seem to know far more than I do !

What i'm trying to say about the endings... it's not like there is a good or bad ending. It's a roleplaying game and your character is shapped by your choices and the way you want it to be.
I like the Indoctrination Theory because you see things from a different perspective but it doesn't mean it will be the case for every character created. You guys found some amazing stuff, and if you believe in this Theory then you have to go very deep into the rabbit hole and the material is here. The Arrival isn't there for nothing. Remember what Joker said about EDI in ME2 ? : "That doesn't change anything, It's still watching. Like some creepy kid staring at the back of your head in comp sci. You just want to... punch him. But he is "special" and sets fire or somethin'." ME2 is full of things like that. 

But again, the ending is built around what you believe in, not around what's the best for the game. If you listen to the podcast, I believe that's what Hudson and Walters are trying to say when they say : "We can't change the ending because that would be a story we couldn't write."
1. because it has always been designed like that.
2. because they know that if people keep taliking about, the product will stay alive. They wanted "a Blade Runner" and they have it. 

Sorry if I seem harsh about the PTSD, we're just a little tired of hearing the dreams brushed off as PTSD.  One of the biggest symptoms of PTSD is an extreme aversion to the situation or surroundings that led to the trauma.  That's why Kelly Chambers won't come back to the Normandy or the asari at the hospital doesn't want to be near humans or bathe.  They really do have PTSD.  In fact the asari is labeled as PTSD in the game's dialogue files.  Point being, if Shepard had PTSD then s/he'd be finding any excuse possible to stay away from Reapers.  But Shepard behaves the opposite of what you'd expect from a PTSD case.

As for Blade Runner, there's a minor difference and a major one.  The minor difference is that there was a moral lesson to not revealing if Deckard was a replicant.  If he is and we can't tell, then you're supposed to ask yourself what the difference between replicants and humans really is.  Should they really be viewed differently?  The major difference is that the fate of all advanced life in the galaxy doesn't depend on Deckard's anatomy.  If IT is true, then the Reapers were never defeated.  They're still murdering people by the millions.  That's not a satisfying ending.  That's not an ending at all.

I never saw the validity in the complaints of "if IT is true, they can't just screw over people who picked control or synthesis."  Why shouldn't that choice have consequences?  If you make a bad call during a battle and get killed, that choice has the same consequence.  Besides, according to many IT'ers there should or will be ways to manage even if you pick control/synthesis.  Things like Eve's shard or the rachni queen have been hinted at possibly being able to break Shepard free.  Though they'll probably have a price.

[dreamgazer]

TSA_383 wrote...

Interesting:
https://twitter.com/...454383930585088

Seems they're making it easier to get high EMS?

Loks pretty clear to me: download the EC, have the EMS adjusted to be easier to maximize.

Fascinating.

[Dwailing]

So, anything new happen overnight?

[daigakuinsei]

FellishBeast wrote...

daigakuinsei wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Shepard.

Wrex.

Shepard.

Illusive Man?

[Turbo_J]

This negativity is astounding. What happened to all the Shepard's sticking to their beliefs?

Why do you want to know NOW? Why do you want to have the EC spoiled? It's only a few days away. Besides, that would be telling...

As I said some 40-50 pages ago, you are all being tested again. It's like going up to the decision chamber for a do-over, but it's the BSN Forums and Twitter that compose your Crucible.

I do not, nor have I ever believed in 'IT'. It's never been a theory to me. What I've seen through the narrative is that Shepard has been struggling with Indoctrination since ME1 and this long running process culminates to a final battle of 'wills' against it in ME3... The story brings us 'players' right along for the ride. It's right there where it's always been, buried in the data 'in the game'. Why consider anything else from any source? Why!

Do you really have this much doubt? Is your resolve so weakened by this constant battle within your own mind to find the truth? Your will is being battered against the rocky shores of twisted words and incessant whispers, weakening it to the point you 'alter your way of thinking'... you foster your own defeat.

Just remember; in the darkest hour, there is always a way out.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Eh this noncommittal stuff is bull****. IT or no IT, i need a clear answer :@ Seems like they're too afraid to swing either way.

[LazyTechGuy]

TSA_383 wrote...

Silent Rogue wrote...

Damn. It seems a bit obvious now that they will neither deny nor confirm IT in the EC. I think they're trying to please both parties - those that like the endings as they are (can't see how, tho) and those that don't and really like IT. If so it's not the way to go. Absolutely not. It will be like the Shepard's breathes scene viewed as an easter egg - showing they're not commited to face facts.

They've said that they're not going to deny it...
Show me where they've said they're not going to confirm it

[Dwailing]

Well, it looks like they're still teasing big things at SDCC, so I don't know.

[Theodoro]

They won't confirm or deny in the EC itself, or they won't confirm or deny until the EC comes out? I'm confused.

[Dwailing]

Theodoro wrote...

They won't confirm or deny in the EC itself, or they won't confirm or deny until the EC comes out? I'm confused.

I'm going to channel Jessica for a moment in response to your question.  Yes. 

[Theodoro]

Because I thought the EC was supposed to clarify things.

Excuse my French, but what the hell is this crap? First, they tell us they're not changing the endings. Okay. At least they'll clarify the existing ones. And now they're telling us that we will be "interpreting" the endings for ourselves. But wasn't that what we were doing until now? Enough of this ambiguity, I want to know what really happens so I can get my closure.

[Dwailing]

Unbreakable Shepard wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Silent Rogue wrote...

Damn. It seems a bit obvious now that they will neither deny nor confirm IT in the EC. I think they're trying to please both parties - those that like the endings as they are (can't see how, tho) and those that don't and really like IT. If so it's not the way to go. Absolutely not. It will be like the Shepard's breathes scene viewed as an easter egg - showing they're not commited to face facts.

They've said that they're not going to deny it...
Show me where they've said they're not going to confirm it

Okay that is confusing as all hell, it will clarify and explain the ending, but won't tell us if IT is true or not, apparently being up to us to decide?? what the hell dude?

You know what, I think I'm done thinking about what Jessica says.  I <3 her, don't get me wrong, but I think I'm going to let the EC speak for itself, you known, like she wants.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Unbreakable Shepard wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Silent Rogue wrote...

Damn. It seems a bit obvious now that they will neither deny nor confirm IT in the EC. I think they're trying to please both parties - those that like the endings as they are (can't see how, tho) and those that don't and really like IT. If so it's not the way to go. Absolutely not. It will be like the Shepard's breathes scene viewed as an easter egg - showing they're not commited to face facts.

They've said that they're not going to deny it...
Show me where they've said they're not going to confirm it

*snip*

Okay that is confusing as all hell, it will clarify and explain the ending, but won't tell us if IT is true or not, apparently being up to us to decide?? what the hell dude?

You know what, I think I'm done thinking about what Jessica says.  I <3 her, don't get me wrong, but I think I'm going to let the EC speak for itself, you known, like she wants.

Well, if the EC doesnt confirm or deny IT, maybe it will at least add new fuel for IT speculations.

Modifié par byne, 23 juin 2012 - 02:35 .

[LazyTechGuy]

Dunno. Could go either way on that one. She could be in double speak mode, but seems to suggest the EC will have to stand on its own.