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[masster blaster]

Um lady's and gentleman there is a poll that is talking about if you believe in IT and it's getting really bad. And it can use some IT support.

[dreman9999]

memorysquid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Unbreakable Shepard wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Unbreakable Shepard wrote...

Okay that is confusing as all hell, it will clarify and explain the ending, but won't tell us if IT is true or not, apparently being up to us to decide?? what the hell dude?

I think it is as plain as day.  IT is false; the original ending was the original ending with nothing further planned.  Bioware has ZERO incentive to say it is false, as that would just alienate the diehard fanbase that wanted a particular ending so badly, that they began speculating all sorts of ways around the actual ending.  So they act mysterious, hold a mirror up to your face and then simply move forward with what they intended for the EC which was to provide more clarity in how your decisions play out after Shep is out of the equation.

The problem is that they're not actually saying it's false, they've practically left it to us to decide which is where much of the confusion stems from

You don't think, from their perspective, confusion or allowing people to headcanon is better than slapping down a [on BSN at least] popular theory?

No, it would make more sense to ween the players off that notion now, rather than when actually experiencing EC, in order to make EC more enjoyable... and if players had to play EC with false impressions from bioware the backlash would be even worse.

Merizan, after talking to the head writer and exec. producer already said they won't be confirming or denying IT.  So doesn't that mean IT is dead, as in, not the literal ending?  If the writers intended for IT to be the case, it would have been easy enough for them to say so, or moreover to make it actually ambiguous, rather than a theory that they didn't appear to include in the first place.  If IT proponents think IT makes the game awesome, then what exactly is BW's advantage in saying, nope you're full of it, rather than simply refusing to comment?  The EC will offer no more or less evidence for IT than the game itself; status quo unchanged.

No. It means it's the same case of inception and total recall....The writes want to imply it but not comferm it...They want you to speculate. The will be no awnser if the end of inception is a dream or not nor to total recalls ending. And the same will be true with ME3. A non awnser doesn't mean no.

[SubAstris]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

" we believe man ascended from apes. "

" well show us the proof. Where's the missing link? "

" we don't have it but all the evidence we do have seems to point in one direction, that being the evolution of species."

" Ha! evolution disproved lol."

Though there is no 'missing link' anymore, it was discovered a long time ago.  Along with many other links between those.

Its more akin to this sort of conversation:

"So we can both agree species adapt over time?"

"Sure.  But evolution is just a theory, and you can't prove it!"

"But you can't prove a theory, you can only find evidence to support it!"

"Ha!  You just disproved evolution!"

Its eerily similar...  And the fact they call us religious zealots.  Hmmm.

You are really only talking about a minority of anti-ITers. I don't support not for these inane reasons you bring up but because I don't think it has enough evidence going for it

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

" we believe man ascended from apes. "

" well show us the proof. Where's the missing link? "

" we don't have it but all the evidence we do have seems to point in one direction, that being the evolution of species."

" Ha! evolution disproved lol."

Though there is no 'missing link' anymore, it was discovered a long time ago.  Along with many other links between those.

Its more akin to this sort of conversation:

"So we can both agree species adapt over time?"

"Sure.  But evolution is just a theory, and you can't prove it!"

"But you can't prove a theory, you can only find evidence to support it!"

"Ha!  You just disproved evolution!"

Its eerily similar...  And the fact they call us religious zealots.  Hmmm.

I know. I was simplifying and exaggerating to make a scathing joke. But yes, they call us religious, yet they sound like creationists when they make their arguments.

[dreamgazer]

masster blaster wrote...

Um lady's and gentleman there is a poll that is talking about if you believe in IT and it's getting really bad. And it can use some IT support.

It really doesn't matter at this point.  The content's finished, in the pipes, and ready to be delivered---and Merizan's Twitter message, which has circulated everywhere on the forum, states that the EC will not address the theory.

Of course the poll's going to look bad. 

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

memorysquid wrote...


Why does it matter what the writer says?  I mean I think it is plain enough IT was not what they intended, but if you like it, then enjoy it.

Well if you have even a minimal ounce of critical thinking, then its incredebly clear that IT was indended at least to some degree.

But if you would rather shut yourself off from very basic conculsions, and perfer it,  then enjoy your simple world.

Would that intention have best been demonstrated when they went out of their way to ensure you that TIM made sure you weren't control chipped or otherwise altered, or the complete lack, in game, of Shep spending a significant amount of time inside a Reaper or near a Reaper indoc device?  

Fighting Reapers, indoctrinated enemies, and husks during all three games is a significant amount of time. I know you keep saying it isn't, but it is. Stop parroting this false presumption.

Indeed.  Not to mention TIM only says Shepard isn't implanted with a 'control chip'.  Not that Shepard isn't implants with Reaper tech at all.  And that it was on a recording on Cronos Station, which is under suspition.  And TIM isn't known for being 100% truthful either, especially to his own minions.

And let's not forget Shepard has been regularly exposed to Reaper tech installed aboard the Normandy as well.  So to say he's not been exposed much is a laugh.  Its like saying the Krogan are only slightly violent, or the Batarians mildly dislike Humans.

[delldo]

masster blaster wrote...

Um lady's and gentleman there is a poll that is talking about if you believe in IT and it's getting really bad. And it can use some IT support.

I voted, but I am not going to get involved in a thread other than this one... It is just to crazy out beyond these walls.

[memorysquid]

llbountyhunter wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

memorysquid wrote...


Why does it matter what the writer says?  I mean I think it is plain enough IT was not what they intended, but if you like it, then enjoy it.

Well if you have even a minimal ounce of critical thinking, then its incredebly clear that IT was indended at least to some degree.

But if you would rather shut yourself off from very basic conculsions, and perfer it,  then enjoy your simple world.

Would that intention have best been demonstrated when they went out of their way to ensure you that TIM made sure you weren't control chipped or otherwise altered, or the complete lack, in game, of Shep spending a significant amount of time inside a Reaper or near a Reaper indoc device?  

Oh rats, your right. It would of been much better to have shepard be in constant on and off contact with reaper tech right? Like maybe have him board a disabled reaper, or attack a reaper pawn base full of reaper technology... and then have shepard fight a baby reaper...

And i know this sounds crazy but possibly even have shepard be abducted and come in contact with a reaper artifact on a astroid!!

Yeah stuff like that wouldve really made IT more plausable.

Sure he comes into contact with it, but you see that it takes days and weeks for indoctrination to work in the game.  He's spends an hour here or there.  By your rationale most of the people in the alliance must be indoctrinated.  They don't even go into how indoctrination works in any great specificity, but Saren and TIM who are definitely indoctrinated, manage to buck it after spending much time in direct contact with Reaper tech.  Sovereign has to implant extra stuff into Saren to keep him in line after he is indoctrinated.  Shepard isn't having problems like constantly hearing Reaper voices telling him what to do.  Shepard doesn't live in a Reaper.  The closest thing he has is a recurring nightmare.

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

" we believe man ascended from apes. "

" well show us the proof. Where's the missing link? "

" we don't have it but all the evidence we do have seems to point in one direction, that being the evolution of species."

" Ha! evolution disproved lol."

Though there is no 'missing link' anymore, it was discovered a long time ago.  Along with many other links between those.

Its more akin to this sort of conversation:

"So we can both agree species adapt over time?"

"Sure.  But evolution is just a theory, and you can't prove it!"

"But you can't prove a theory, you can only find evidence to support it!"

"Ha!  You just disproved evolution!"

Its eerily similar...  And the fact they call us religious zealots.  Hmmm.

You are really only talking about a minority of anti-ITers. I don't support not for these inane reasons you bring up but because I don't think it has enough evidence going for it

Well, while you dont fit into that category, i dont think its a minority...

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

" we believe man ascended from apes. "

" well show us the proof. Where's the missing link? "

" we don't have it but all the evidence we do have seems to point in one direction, that being the evolution of species."

" Ha! evolution disproved lol."

Though there is no 'missing link' anymore, it was discovered a long time ago.  Along with many other links between those.

Its more akin to this sort of conversation:

"So we can both agree species adapt over time?"

"Sure.  But evolution is just a theory, and you can't prove it!"

"But you can't prove a theory, you can only find evidence to support it!"

"Ha!  You just disproved evolution!"

Its eerily similar...  And the fact they call us religious zealots.  Hmmm.

You are really only talking about a minority of anti-ITers. I don't support not for these inane reasons you bring up but because I don't think it has enough evidence going for it

Then that is an opinion and not objective.

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...

You are really only talking about a minority of anti-ITers. I don't support not for these inane reasons you bring up but because I don't think it has enough evidence going for it

An impossible burdon of proof is another tactic they use.  No matter how much you give them, they'll demand more.

There's plenty of evidence out there.  There's actually less in support of a literalist ending, because it relies on Space Magic and a suddenly stupid and submissive Shepard for it to work.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well if EC does not prove IT is right (which EC will prove it is right) then how are they going to explain the Normandy? They can't just say " oh the Normandy and the crew left Shepard because they were told to" no I am sorry that's some bull ****. They would never leave Shepard to die and you know what's funny when you think about Control, and Synthesis both are similar.

All it really does is save the Reapers, but Control turns you into a reaper, and synthesis well some Collector crap like when we found out the Collectors were the Prothean's. So I have a feeling that once we pick Control, or synthesis it's going to stat off great but then truth would be reviled that all of this was for nothing, and the Reapers start the cycle again after a few years have passed.

All so all Shepard did was combine his, or her energy to the Crucible and just gave new DNA and that's it, so the Reapers can still start killing all organic life all over again and, when Shepard picks control THE GOD CHILD SMILES, so what about Destroy.

Well all I can say is that the cut scene were Shepard breaths is after the Normandy crash lands on that planet. You also have to take in account that it is the only scene after the Normandy crashes which also helps IT so there you go.

But just because they tell us what is going to happen they don't mean
there would be more to it, I mean look at our governments have they told
use a truth that was going to revel something horrible, or good. No
they make statement about some of the truth but later revel the
information when the time is right, and it ruins the surprise they have
in stored for use if they tell use what will and may not happen so keep
believing in IT and if you lose hope the go to the IT site again.

Modifié par masster blaster, 23 juin 2012 - 04:35 .

[BatmanTurian]

memorysquid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

memorysquid wrote...


Why does it matter what the writer says?  I mean I think it is plain enough IT was not what they intended, but if you like it, then enjoy it.

Well if you have even a minimal ounce of critical thinking, then its incredebly clear that IT was indended at least to some degree.

But if you would rather shut yourself off from very basic conculsions, and perfer it,  then enjoy your simple world.

Would that intention have best been demonstrated when they went out of their way to ensure you that TIM made sure you weren't control chipped or otherwise altered, or the complete lack, in game, of Shep spending a significant amount of time inside a Reaper or near a Reaper indoc device?  

Oh rats, your right. It would of been much better to have shepard be in constant on and off contact with reaper tech right? Like maybe have him board a disabled reaper, or attack a reaper pawn base full of reaper technology... and then have shepard fight a baby reaper...

And i know this sounds crazy but possibly even have shepard be abducted and come in contact with a reaper artifact on a astroid!!

Yeah stuff like that wouldve really made IT more plausable.

Sure he comes into contact with it, but you see that it takes days and weeks for indoctrination to work in the game.  He's spends an hour here or there.  By your rationale most of the people in the alliance must be indoctrinated.  They don't even go into how indoctrination works in any great specificity, but Saren and TIM who are definitely indoctrinated, manage to buck it after spending much time in direct contact with Reaper tech.  Sovereign has to implant extra stuff into Saren to keep him in line after he is indoctrinated.  Shepard isn't having problems like constantly hearing Reaper voices telling him what to do.  Shepard doesn't live in a Reaper.  The closest thing he has is a recurring nightmare.

Fun fact, the process of indoctrination stacks, accumulates, never goes away (not even if you're dead for two years). Each new exposure adds more to the pile. And then there's the fact that the process of indoctrination can be sped up at any time by an artifact or conciously by a Reaper.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 23 juin 2012 - 04:36 .

[llbountyhunter]

memorysquid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

memorysquid wrote...


Why does it matter what the writer says?  I mean I think it is plain enough IT was not what they intended, but if you like it, then enjoy it.

Well if you have even a minimal ounce of critical thinking, then its incredebly clear that IT was indended at least to some degree.

But if you would rather shut yourself off from very basic conculsions, and perfer it,  then enjoy your simple world.

Would that intention have best been demonstrated when they went out of their way to ensure you that TIM made sure you weren't control chipped or otherwise altered, or the complete lack, in game, of Shep spending a significant amount of time inside a Reaper or near a Reaper indoc device?  

Oh rats, your right. It would of been much better to have shepard be in constant on and off contact with reaper tech right? Like maybe have him board a disabled reaper, or attack a reaper pawn base full of reaper technology... and then have shepard fight a baby reaper...

And i know this sounds crazy but possibly even have shepard be abducted and come in contact with a reaper artifact on a astroid!!

Yeah stuff like that wouldve really made IT more plausable.

Sure he comes into contact with it, but you see that it takes days and weeks for indoctrination to work in the game.  He's spends an hour here or there.  By your rationale most of the people in the alliance must be indoctrinated.  They don't even go into how indoctrination works in any great specificity, but Saren and TIM who are definitely indoctrinated, manage to buck it after spending much time in direct contact with Reaper tech.  Sovereign has to implant extra stuff into Saren to keep him in line after he is indoctrinated.  Shepard isn't having problems like constantly hearing Reaper voices telling him what to do.  Shepard doesn't live in a Reaper.  The closest thing he has is a recurring nightmare.

Well hes NOT supposed to be completely indoctrinated at this point... all the contact is chipping away at his restance and setting thing up for the indoctrination... thats the point of IT: to indoctrinate shepard.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 23 juin 2012 - 04:37 .

[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

memorysquid wrote...


Why does it matter what the writer says?  I mean I think it is plain enough IT was not what they intended, but if you like it, then enjoy it.

Well if you have even a minimal ounce of critical thinking, then its incredebly clear that IT was indended at least to some degree.

But if you would rather shut yourself off from very basic conculsions, and perfer it,  then enjoy your simple world.

Would that intention have best been demonstrated when they went out of their way to ensure you that TIM made sure you weren't control chipped or otherwise altered, or the complete lack, in game, of Shep spending a significant amount of time inside a Reaper or near a Reaper indoc device?  

Fighting Reapers, indoctrinated enemies, and husks during all three games is a significant amount of time. I know you keep saying it isn't, but it is. Stop parroting this false presumption.

You know, all it takes is limited exposure to a Reaper or Reaper artifact to indoctrinate, at least partially.  Look at Mass Effect: Revelation, and the Batarian in there.  It doesn't say for sure, but I don't think he spent THAT much time around Sovereign, but he still became indoctrinated.

[BatmanTurian]

delldo wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Um lady's and gentleman there is a poll that is talking about if you believe in IT and it's getting really bad. And it can use some IT support.

I voted, but I am not going to get involved in a thread other than this one... It is just to crazy out beyond these walls.

It's not even stable in here. It's been troll central since 12 EST yesterday.

[masster blaster]

dreamgazer wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Um lady's and gentleman there is a poll that is talking about if you believe in IT and it's getting really bad. And it can use some IT support.

It really doesn't matter at this point.  The content's finished, in the pipes, and ready to be delivered---and Merizan's Twitter message, which has circulated everywhere on the forum, states that the EC will not address the theory.

Of course the poll's going to look bad. 

She does ot want to ruin the Suprise of what might happen, it's like holding a secret that can ruin somebody's life if you want to revel it then it would just kill that person. Then later on it wou;ld mean nothing and the person's family would be angry at the person who reveld their son, or saughter's secret.

[dreamgazer]

memorysquid wrote...

Sure he comes into contact with it, but you see that it takes days and weeks for indoctrination to work in the game.  He's spends an hour here or there.  By your rationale most of the people in the alliance must be indoctrinated.  They don't even go into how indoctrination works in any great specificity, but Saren and TIM who are definitely indoctrinated, manage to buck it after spending much time in direct contact with Reaper tech.  Sovereign has to implant extra stuff into Saren to keep him in line after he is indoctrinated.  Shepard isn't having problems like constantly hearing Reaper voices telling him what to do.  Shepard doesn't live in a Reaper.  The closest thing he has is a recurring nightmare.

MASS EFFECT WIKI ...

After Dr. Kenson was captured by batarian forces during a smuggling run, Commander Shepard was dispatched to rescue her. Upon returning Kenson to Project Base with less than two days before the Reapers arrived, Shepard realized that Kenson and her team had been indoctrinated by Object Rho. Although Shepard fought tenaciously against wave after wave of Project Guards, Engineers, Elites, Pyros, and a YMIR Mech, eventually either the Commander overwhelmed by the Guards, or the Reaper artifact unleashed a wave of energy which knocked Shepard out. Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. Despite the research team's heavy opposition and an attempt by Dr. Kenson to overheat the Base's fusion core and destroy the Project's propulsion systems, Shepard manages to activate the Project and escapes the Bahak system moments before the Alpha Relay is struck and destroyed by the asteroid, taking the system with it.

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

memorysquid wrote...


Why does it matter what the writer says?  I mean I think it is plain enough IT was not what they intended, but if you like it, then enjoy it.

Well if you have even a minimal ounce of critical thinking, then its incredebly clear that IT was indended at least to some degree.

But if you would rather shut yourself off from very basic conculsions, and perfer it,  then enjoy your simple world.

Would that intention have best been demonstrated when they went out of their way to ensure you that TIM made sure you weren't control chipped or otherwise altered, or the complete lack, in game, of Shep spending a significant amount of time inside a Reaper or near a Reaper indoc device?  

Fighting Reapers, indoctrinated enemies, and husks during all three games is a significant amount of time. I know you keep saying it isn't, but it is. Stop parroting this false presumption.

Indeed.  Not to mention TIM only says Shepard isn't implanted with a 'control chip'.  Not that Shepard isn't implants with Reaper tech at all.  And that it was on a recording on Cronos Station, which is under suspition.  And TIM isn't known for being 100% truthful either, especially to his own minions.

And let's not forget Shepard has been regularly exposed to Reaper tech installed aboard the Normandy as well.  So to say he's not been exposed much is a laugh.  Its like saying the Krogan are only slightly violent, or the Batarians mildly dislike Humans.

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

[dreamgazer]

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's not even stable in here. It's been troll central since 12 EST yesterday.

And it'll continue, especially after Miss Merizan's message.

What she doesn't realize is that by saying the EC will not address the theory, it's also caused everyone else to rage against the interpretation of the in-game devices.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

[BatmanTurian]

dreamgazer wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's not even stable in here. It's been troll central since 12 EST yesterday.

And it'll continue, especially after Miss Merizan's message.

What she doesn't realize is that by saying the EC will not address the theory, it's also caused everyone else to rage against the interpretation of the in-game devices.

Not to mention the mods are shutting down all threads trying to shred IT and sending their troll OPs here. Thanks mods!

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

No it was Reapertech, turned the scientists studying it into husks.

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

No it was Reapertech, turned the scientists studying it into husks.

No, I dont believe it did. There were no enemies in that mine where the artifact was at all.

[Lord Goose]

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Modifié par Lord Goose, 23 juin 2012 - 04:50 .