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[munnellyladt]

Theres just this thing i can't stop thinking about.
If you think about it destroy is the only way that you don't become a reaper.
Because if the catalyst is considered a reaper then picking control turns you into a reaper,
while synthesis turns everybody into reapers.
what i mean is reapers are both synthetic and organic,so merging the DNA of an organic into a synthetic makes them reapers no matter what.

[Andromidius]

Lord Goose wrote...

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Its still canon.  Get over it.

Been down that road plenty of times before.

[byne]

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

[Andromidius]

munnellyladt wrote...

Theres just this thing i can't stop thinking about.
If you think about it destroy is the only way that you don't become a reaper.
Because if the catalyst is considered a reaper then picking control turns you into a reaper,
while synthesis turns everybody into reapers.
what i mean is reapers are both synthetic and organic,so merging the DNA of an organic into a synthetic makes them reapers no matter what.

Either a Reaper, or a being akin to a Reaper.  Not necessarily the same, but still revoltingly immoral regardless.

[Lord Goose]

Its still canon. Get over it.

Yes, it's canon. But not for everybody.

[munnellyladt]

Andromidius wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Theres just this thing i can't stop thinking about.
If you think about it destroy is the only way that you don't become a reaper.
Because if the catalyst is considered a reaper then picking control turns you into a reaper,
while synthesis turns everybody into reapers.
what i mean is reapers are both synthetic and organic,so merging the DNA of an organic into a synthetic makes them reapers no matter what.

Either a Reaper, or a being akin to a Reaper.  Not necessarily the same, but still revoltingly immoral regardless.

Exactly what i was trying to explain.
it just seems too suspicious that 2 of the 3 choices turns you,or everyone into reapers.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

No it was Reapertech, turned the scientists studying it into husks.

No, I dont believe it did. There were no enemies in that mine where the artifact was at all.

http://masseffect.wi...:_Prothean_Site

Seems it was Prothean, but still causing Indoctrination?  Interesting.  Maybe falsely identified as Prothean?

Another datapad with a recording from Dr. Cayce:


“It's too late for me. They're still in my head, stealing my
thoughts. I can't keep them out. I've got no choice but to destroy this
relic... and myself.”

[llbountyhunter]

Lord Goose wrote...

Its still canon. Get over it.

Yes, it's canon. But not for everybody.

Yes, those who play arrival makes it non-cannon for them.

[dreamgazer]

Lord Goose wrote...

Its still canon. Get over it.

Yes, it's canon. But not for everybody.

That's the definition of canon: the story's unassailable foundation. 

canon:  A general law, rule, principle, or criterion by which something is judged.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 23 juin 2012 - 04:57 .

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

No it was Reapertech, turned the scientists studying it into husks.

No, I dont believe it did. There were no enemies in that mine where the artifact was at all.

Then I admit I might be misremembering.

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

No it was Reapertech, turned the scientists studying it into husks.

No, I dont believe it did. There were no enemies in that mine where the artifact was at all.

http://masseffect.wi...:_Prothean_Site

Seems it was Prothean, but still causing Indoctrination?  Interesting.  Maybe falsely identified as Prothean?

Another datapad with a recording from Dr. Cayce:


“It's too late for me. They're still in my head, stealing my
thoughts. I can't keep them out. I've got no choice but to destroy this
relic... and myself.”

Knew it. there you go. all the evidence you need.

[v0rt3x22]

I, for one, find it interesting that all those people who do not believe in the InDoc theory - give nothing to disprove it - and label the ending to be simply a "bad" ending - because it didn't make sense to them.

[memorysquid]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

You don't get it.  The writers only SAID it was Prothean. 

[Schachmatt123]

Lord Goose wrote...

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Yes, but in this case your Shepard is non-canon. In the Conviction Comic it's Shepard who did the Arrival Mission. Mac Walters stated several times that lore provided in official literature is always canon and "outranks" our personal Shepards expirience.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well if EC does not prove IT is right (which EC will prove it is right) then how are they going to explain the Normandy? They can't just say " oh the Normandy and the crew left Shepard because they were told to" no I am sorry that's some bull ****. They would never leave Shepard to die and you know what's funny when you think about Control, and Synthesis both are similar.

All it really does is save the Reapers, but Control turns you into a reaper, and synthesis well some Collector crap like when we found out the Collectors were the Prothean's. So I have a feeling that once we pick Control, or synthesis it's going to stat off great but then truth would be reviled that all of this was for nothing, and the Reapers start the cycle again after a few years have passed.

All so all Shepard did was combine his, or her energy to the Crucible and just gave new DNA and that's it, so the Reapers can still start killing all organic life all over again and, when Shepard picks control THE GOD CHILD SMILES, so what about Destroy.

Well all I can say is that the cut scene were Shepard breaths is after the Normandy crash lands on that planet. You also have to take in account that it is the only scene after the Normandy crashes which also helps IT so there you go.

But just because they tell us what is going to happen they don't mean
there would be more to it, I mean look at our governments have they told
use a truth that was going to revel something horrible, or good. No
they make statement about some of the truth but later revel the
information when the time is right, and it ruins the surprise they have
in stored for use if they tell use what will and may not happen so keep
believing in IT and if you lose hope the go to the IT site again.

[Andromidius]

Lord Goose wrote...

Its still canon. Get over it.

Yes, it's canon. But not for everybody.

Even if it wasn't, Shepard has STILL been exposed to a huge amount of Reaper technology and direct influence from them.

But it still is, regardless.

Shepard has been exposed to too much Reaper technology, that is indisputable.  No matter what you do you've:

1/ Come back to face with TWO capital Reaper ships and have been in relatively close proximity to several others and multiple Destroyers.

2/ Fought hundreds/thousands of Husks and Indoctrinated agents, and come close to their Dragon's Teeth.

3/ Been inside a dead Reaper.

4/ Been on board a vessel for months that has Reaper technology installed on it.

[BatmanTurian]

memorysquid wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

You don't get it.  The writers only SAID it was Prothean. 

"http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Project_Firewalker:_Prothean_Site

Seems it was Prothean, but still causing Indoctrination?  Interesting.  Maybe falsely identified as Prothean?

Another datapad with a recording from Dr. Cayce:


“It's too late for me. They're still in my head, stealing my
thoughts. I can't keep them out. I've got no choice but to destroy this
relic... and myself.”  "

sounds like someone getting indoctrinated to me.

[v0rt3x22]

I think we're screwed if the InDoc theory is confirmed false xD

[Lord Goose]

That's the definition of canon: the story's unassailable foundation.

canon: A general law, rule, principle, or criterion by which something is judged.

Well, in that case many plot-related facts in ME3 are not canonical. Shepard may have killed Rachni Queen, may sold Legion to Cerberus, may have destroyed Mass Relay.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

Well, the Legend of Korra season finale is starting. See you guys in an hour!

I haven't been following but I know who the main villain is. I'm not going to be surprised.

You mean you know who Amon is? Like, for certain or you just have a hunch?

Dont tell me who it is either way.


Also, Amon's second in  command is voiced by Hackett's VA, which is neat. Amon himself is voiced by Grunt's VA. So it's like Hackett and Grunt teaming up to do evil stuff.

Nice. It's a hunch and I'll stay quiet at the risk of sounding stupid since I don't watch it often. But I wouldn't be surprised if it really is who I think it is.

I dont know how this fits into whoever you think it is, but right before it went to break, it was revealed


SPOILER





Amon is Tarrlok's brother.

Good thing I kept my mouth shut lol.

[memorysquid]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

No it was Reapertech, turned the scientists studying it into husks.

No, I dont believe it did. There were no enemies in that mine where the artifact was at all.

http://masseffect.wi...:_Prothean_Site

Seems it was Prothean, but still causing Indoctrination?  Interesting.  Maybe falsely identified as Prothean?

Another datapad with a recording from Dr. Cayce:


“It's too late for me. They're still in my head, stealing my
thoughts. I can't keep them out. I've got no choice but to destroy this
relic... and myself.”

Knew it. there you go. all the evidence you need.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain: "The data indicates that the artifact is currently inert and not dangerous."  Those tricky writers!  No wait for IT, TIM was indoctrinating you on purpose back in ME2, well as long as you did the Firewalker optional DLC - I knew I shouldn't have bothered!

[BatmanTurian]

memorysquid wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

You don't get it.  The writers only SAID it was Prothean. 

Also, it's the CHARACTERS that say it's Prothean and characters are people who can make assumptions and be wrong, just like us.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...
Knew it. there you go. all the evidence you need.

Well its interesting regardless.  Unless he was referring to a different artifact which is nowhere to be found...  The fact its supposedly Prothean could make it a trap of some sort, or it was an experiment by the Protheans to counter/copy Indoctrination?  Shame it was never expanded upon or mentioned ever again after that mission...

And there was another actual Reaper Indoctrination device on another planet in ME2.  Hense the confusion I imagine.

[llbountyhunter]

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

No it was Reapertech, turned the scientists studying it into husks.

No, I dont believe it did. There were no enemies in that mine where the artifact was at all.

http://masseffect.wi...:_Prothean_Site

Seems it was Prothean, but still causing Indoctrination?  Interesting.  Maybe falsely identified as Prothean?

Another datapad with a recording from Dr. Cayce:


“It's too late for me. They're still in my head, stealing my
thoughts. I can't keep them out. I've got no choice but to destroy this
relic... and myself.”

Knew it. there you go. all the evidence you need.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain: "The data indicates that the artifact is currently inert and not dangerous."  Those tricky writers!  No wait for IT, TIM was indoctrinating you on purpose back in ME2, well as long as you did the Firewalker optional DLC - I knew I shouldn't have bothered!

Now your just painting a terrible image fore literalists everywhere.

[BatmanTurian]

memorysquid wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

No it was Reapertech, turned the scientists studying it into husks.

No, I dont believe it did. There were no enemies in that mine where the artifact was at all.

http://masseffect.wi...:_Prothean_Site

Seems it was Prothean, but still causing Indoctrination?  Interesting.  Maybe falsely identified as Prothean?

Another datapad with a recording from Dr. Cayce:


“It's too late for me. They're still in my head, stealing my
thoughts. I can't keep them out. I've got no choice but to destroy this
relic... and myself.”

Knew it. there you go. all the evidence you need.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain: "The data indicates that the artifact is currently inert and not dangerous."  Those tricky writers!  No wait for IT, TIM was indoctrinating you on purpose back in ME2, well as long as you did the Firewalker optional DLC - I knew I shouldn't have bothered!

TIM lies to his people all the time. The codex itself is unreliable. In all of the games, the writers have been unreliable narrators. The fact that people are just now discovering this in ME3 is actually pretty funny.