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[SubAstris]

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

" we believe man ascended from apes. "

" well show us the proof. Where's the missing link? "

" we don't have it but all the evidence we do have seems to point in one direction, that being the evolution of species."

" Ha! evolution disproved lol."

Though there is no 'missing link' anymore, it was discovered a long time ago.  Along with many other links between those.

Its more akin to this sort of conversation:

"So we can both agree species adapt over time?"

"Sure.  But evolution is just a theory, and you can't prove it!"

"But you can't prove a theory, you can only find evidence to support it!"

"Ha!  You just disproved evolution!"

Its eerily similar...  And the fact they call us religious zealots.  Hmmm.

You are really only talking about a minority of anti-ITers. I don't support not for these inane reasons you bring up but because I don't think it has enough evidence going for it

Well, while you dont fit into that category, i dont think its a minority...

You'd be surprised, I think people tend to just remember the most extreme examples and scale them up.

[llbountyhunter]

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

You don't get it.  The writers only SAID it was Prothean. 

Also, it's the CHARACTERS that say it's Prothean and characters are people who can make assumptions and be wrong, just like us.

The councel says the reapers arent real, should we listen to them too?

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Knew it. there you go. all the evidence you need.

Well its interesting regardless.  Unless he was referring to a different artifact which is nowhere to be found...  The fact its supposedly Prothean could make it a trap of some sort, or it was an experiment by the Protheans to counter/copy Indoctrination?  Shame it was never expanded upon or mentioned ever again after that mission...

And there was another actual Reaper Indoctrination device on another planet in ME2.  Hense the confusion I imagine.

Hey, remember there was a separate faction of Protheans that wanted Control, just like Cerberus, and ended up being indoctrinated and working for the Reapers, just like Cerberus. That might explain its origins.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 23 juin 2012 - 05:06 .

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

" we believe man ascended from apes. "

" well show us the proof. Where's the missing link? "

" we don't have it but all the evidence we do have seems to point in one direction, that being the evolution of species."

" Ha! evolution disproved lol."

Though there is no 'missing link' anymore, it was discovered a long time ago.  Along with many other links between those.

Its more akin to this sort of conversation:

"So we can both agree species adapt over time?"

"Sure.  But evolution is just a theory, and you can't prove it!"

"But you can't prove a theory, you can only find evidence to support it!"

"Ha!  You just disproved evolution!"

Its eerily similar...  And the fact they call us religious zealots.  Hmmm.

You are really only talking about a minority of anti-ITers. I don't support not for these inane reasons you bring up but because I don't think it has enough evidence going for it

Well, while you dont fit into that category, i dont think its a minority...

You'd be surprised, I think people tend to just remember the most extreme examples and scale them up.

Lol, thats true.... and there are certanly alot of extremes to remember...

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 23 juin 2012 - 05:07 .

[BatmanTurian]

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

" we believe man ascended from apes. "

" well show us the proof. Where's the missing link? "

" we don't have it but all the evidence we do have seems to point in one direction, that being the evolution of species."

" Ha! evolution disproved lol."

Though there is no 'missing link' anymore, it was discovered a long time ago.  Along with many other links between those.

Its more akin to this sort of conversation:

"So we can both agree species adapt over time?"

"Sure.  But evolution is just a theory, and you can't prove it!"

"But you can't prove a theory, you can only find evidence to support it!"

"Ha!  You just disproved evolution!"

Its eerily similar...  And the fact they call us religious zealots.  Hmmm.

You are really only talking about a minority of anti-ITers. I don't support not for these inane reasons you bring up but because I don't think it has enough evidence going for it

Well, while you dont fit into that category, i dont think its a minority...

You'd be surprised, I think people tend to just remember the most extreme examples and scale them up.

To be fair, most of the time we are presented with extreme examples, minus you and some others.

[Schachmatt123]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I think we're screwed if the InDoc theory is confirmed false xD

If the EC turns out to be another mess, IT will definitly be my head-canon. I find it somewhat ridiculous that in a story based upon brutal brainwashers which prime targets are charismatic leaders the charismatic leader we play should not be affected in any way.

But then i get the feeling that some folks might think: Ooooh, there are creepy monsters in my sci-fi Dating Simulator? Well drive them out here fast, my Shep is waiting to be united with his/her LI. There is no greater purpose than that! (no offense, I do like my LI too ;-))

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

You don't get it.  The writers only SAID it was Prothean. 

"http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Project_Firewalker:_Prothean_Site

Seems it was Prothean, but still causing Indoctrination?  Interesting.  Maybe falsely identified as Prothean?

Another datapad with a recording from Dr. Cayce:


“It's too late for me. They're still in my head, stealing my
thoughts. I can't keep them out. I've got no choice but to destroy this
relic... and myself.”  "

sounds like someone getting indoctrinated to me.

Or just paranoid because they didn't understand what was happening. If indoctrinated, wouldn't there have been suggestions like keeping the artifact in tact like Object Rho?

The relic was probably trying to learn from what was around it, like Javik does to Shepard when he touched him. Only Shepard knows what that's like and this doctor didn't and freaked out.

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Good thing I kept my mouth shut lol.

Why, who'd you think Amon was?

[dreamgazer]

SubAstris wrote...

You'd be surprised, I think people tend to just remember the most extreme examples and scale them up.

And you'd be surprised at the astounding number of times I've read the words "cult", "religion", and "delusional".

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

[SubAstris]

dreamgazer wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

You'd be surprised, I think people tend to just remember the most extreme examples and scale them up.

And you'd be surprised at the astounding number of times I've read the words "cult", "religion", and "delusional".

It works both ways

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

You don't get it.  The writers only SAID it was Prothean. 

"http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Project_Firewalker:_Prothean_Site

Seems it was Prothean, but still causing Indoctrination?  Interesting.  Maybe falsely identified as Prothean?

Another datapad with a recording from Dr. Cayce:


“It's too late for me. They're still in my head, stealing my
thoughts. I can't keep them out. I've got no choice but to destroy this
relic... and myself.”  "

sounds like someone getting indoctrinated to me.

Or just paranoid because they didn't understand what was happening. If indoctrinated, wouldn't there have been suggestions like keeping the artifact in tact like Object Rho?

The relic was probably trying to learn from what was around it, like Javik does to Shepard when he touched him. Only Shepard knows what that's like and this doctor didn't and freaked out.

Fair alternate interpretation, but I'm not sure if they'd laid out what Protheans were going to be like yet. Still, you offer a worthy alternate interpretation.

[byne]

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

[zambot]

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

If Shepard doing Arrival was "canon", then ME3 would have had a little blurb about him being responsible for it instead of attributing it to marines.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Good thing I kept my mouth shut lol.

Why, who'd you think Amon was?

That answer shall go with me to the grave!

[dreamgazer]

SubAstris wrote...

It works both ways

Uh huh.

[v0rt3x22]

 Does anyone know if more was found from looking through the files except for:


Filename: BioA_Nor_600Dream.pcc (BioAp1_Lv1_Dream)

Which obviously hint at the entire theory being true.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 23 juin 2012 - 05:23 .

[Andromidius]

llbountyhunter wrote...
The councel says the reapers arent real, should we listen to them too?

Well no, that's the point.  Characters can be wrong, just like the Council was.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well if EC does not prove IT is right (which EC will prove it is right) then how are they going to explain the Normandy? They can't just say " oh the Normandy and the crew left Shepard because they were told to" no I am sorry that's some bull ****. They would never leave Shepard to die and you know what's funny when you think about Control, and Synthesis both are similar.

All it really does is save the Reapers, but Control turns you into a reaper, and synthesis well some Collector crap like when we found out the Collectors were the Prothean's. So I have a feeling that once we pick Control, or synthesis it's going to stat off great but then truth would be reviled that all of this was for nothing, and the Reapers start the cycle again after a few years have passed.

All so all Shepard did was combine his, or her energy to the Crucible and just gave new DNA and that's it, so the Reapers can still start killing all organic life all over again and, when Shepard picks control THE GOD CHILD SMILES, so what about Destroy.

Well all I can say is that the cut scene were Shepard breaths is after the Normandy crash lands on that planet. You also have to take in account that it is the only scene after the Normandy crashes which also helps IT so there you go.

But just because they tell us what is going to happen they don't mean
there would be more to it, I mean look at our governments have they told
use a truth that was going to revel something horrible, or good. No
they make statement about some of the truth but later revel the
information when the time is right, and it ruins the surprise they have
in stored for use if they tell use what will and may not happen so keep
believing in IT and if you lose hope the go to the IT site again.

[BatmanTurian]

zambot wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

If Shepard doing Arrival was "canon", then ME3 would have had a little blurb about him being responsible for it instead of attributing it to marines.

Well, there was that one Batarian that was psychotically convinced that my Shepard, in a play through where I purposefully did not do Arrival, blew up that relay and killed that colony.

[Andromidius]

EpyonX3 wrote...
Or just paranoid because they didn't understand what was happening. If indoctrinated, wouldn't there have been suggestions like keeping the artifact in tact like Object Rho?

Considering the artifact is completely intact, I think we can cover that base.  If we found a smoking crater you might have a point.

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...
The councel says the reapers arent real, should we listen to them too?

Well no, that's the point.  Characters can be wrong, just like the Council was.

he was using another example to support what I was saying.

[EpyonX3]

BatmanTurian wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

memorysquid wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Remember that white Reaper Artifact Orb from ME2 that shrunk when Shepard touched it? SHep put it in his/her room. On the coffee table. Right next to the bed where (s)he sleeps. Sleeping leaves the mind open to indoctrination.

I thought that was a Prothean device?

You don't get it.  The writers only SAID it was Prothean. 

"http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Project_Firewalker:_Prothean_Site

Seems it was Prothean, but still causing Indoctrination?  Interesting.  Maybe falsely identified as Prothean?

Another datapad with a recording from Dr. Cayce:


“It's too late for me. They're still in my head, stealing my
thoughts. I can't keep them out. I've got no choice but to destroy this
relic... and myself.”  "

sounds like someone getting indoctrinated to me.

Or just paranoid because they didn't understand what was happening. If indoctrinated, wouldn't there have been suggestions like keeping the artifact in tact like Object Rho?

The relic was probably trying to learn from what was around it, like Javik does to Shepard when he touched him. Only Shepard knows what that's like and this doctor didn't and freaked out.

Fair alternate interpretation, but I'm not sure if they'd laid out what Protheans were going to be like yet. Still, you offer a worthy alternate interpretation.

Perhaps, since all we see of prothean devices up until then do is project visions to the person. But then look at the Asari. They were led by a prothean VI during their evolution. That device at some point needed to read them to learn their language. In fact, after ME3, it makes sense how Asari can do that mind melding trick. The gained it from the VI.

[dreamgazer]

zambot wrote...

If Shepard doing Arrival was "canon", then ME3 would have had a little blurb about him being responsible for it instead of attributing it to marines.

I'n not sure exactly how that dynamic works, but I have read this:

DESTRUCTOID write ...

Having said that, the consequences of Shepard's actions could play a huge role in the Mass Effect 3 storyline, but it's too early to tell for sure. With less than 9 months on the calendar, and little indication of how much creative control the DLC creators have had with respect to affecting the storyline of the upcoming chapter in the sci-fi epic, it might only have side-quest levels of consequences in the end. (Mass Effect 3 designer Manveer Heir has since told me that Arrival's story "was driven/approved by the head writer so it's all canon & relevant.")

[blooregard]

Impressive...the IT thread hasn't devolved into a troll riddled flame war due to Hackett's "everybody run" screen cap

You never stop amazing me BSN