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[BansheeOwnage]

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

Why is Arrival the only thing I ever see people claim isnt canon, just because its possible not to do it?

Its possible to never recruit Garrus in ME1, but I've never seen anyone claim Garrus isnt a canon ME1 squadmate.

I understand why it gets mentioned: addressing Arrival as canon or not determines its viability as a device used to interpret the fundamentals of the game proper, not just the tone or peripheral elements.

Hell as far as I'm concerned LOTSB is canon just as Arrival and all other DLCs are. Why? Because Bioware created them to add to a story. In a perfect world, they would be free, but they can't do that. If EC costed money, people would suddenly say it's not canon because you don't have to play it.

Think about it. If Arrival was free there wouldn't be an argument. "Of course it's canon anyone can/should download it."

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Good thing I kept my mouth shut lol.

Why, who'd you think Amon was?

That answer shall go with me to the grave!

Aww, dont be like that!

I kind of thought Amon was Tarrlok until they finally appeared in a scene together a few episodes back.

Is Tarrlok the blood bender? if so then yes I think i saw that one.

Yes, Tarrlok is the bloodbender. Are you saying you thought he was Amon? Or are you just going to be a tease and not tell me who you thought Amon was?

I told you who I originally thought he was, even though I was wrong.

[SubAstris]

BatmanTurian wrote...

zambot wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

If Shepard doing Arrival was "canon", then ME3 would have had a little blurb about him being responsible for it instead of attributing it to marines.

Well, there was that one Batarian that was psychotically convinced that my Shepard, in a play through where I purposefully did not do Arrival, blew up that relay and killed that colony.

The Batarians think it was you regardless because of your involvement with Cerberus

[zambot]

byne wrote...

zambot wrote...

byne wrote...

Why is Arrival the only thing I ever see people claim isnt canon, just because its possible not to do it?

Its possible to never recruit Garrus in ME1, but I've never seen anyone claim Garrus isnt a canon ME1 squadmate.

Because while you are playing ME3, the game provides an explanation for you not doing Arrival.  If you did not to LotSB, ME3 provides an explanation for Liara becoming the Shadow Broker.  That's the difference.  If the story hinged upon Shepard coming into contact with Object Rho, then when you boot up ME3 without that DLC, it would have said he/she did.

The game also provides alternate dialogue with Garrus on Omega if you didnt recruit him in ME1, and yet still no one claims he isnt canon. My point still stands.

Having Garrus be in your squad in ME1 is not canon.  If it were, then that alternate dialog in ME2 would not exist.

Maybe we are stumbling over the definition of canon.  I use it to define events that happen to all Shepards, regardless of their choices in the games.  Perhaps you are using a different one.

[zambot]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

Why is Arrival the only thing I ever see people claim isnt canon, just because its possible not to do it?

Its possible to never recruit Garrus in ME1, but I've never seen anyone claim Garrus isnt a canon ME1 squadmate.

I understand why it gets mentioned: addressing Arrival as canon or not determines its viability as a device used to interpret the fundamentals of the game proper, not just the tone or peripheral elements.

Hell as far as I'm concerned LOTSB is canon just as Arrival and all other DLCs are. Why? Because Bioware created them to add to a story. In a perfect world, they would be free, but they can't do that. If EC costed money, people would suddenly say it's not canon because you don't have to play it.

Think about it. If Arrival was free there wouldn't be an argument. "Of course it's canon anyone can/should download it."

The existance of the DLC isn't what makes them canon.  It's how they are handled if you did not do them.  You cannot argue that Arrival itself isn't canon.  That's not in dispute.  What is arguable is whether Shepard was responsible for the events of Arrival.  In my playthrough the game clearly says he is not.  

Is Shepard being male canon?  I think not, but clearly some people must because he's a male in the comics.

Modifié par zambot, 23 juin 2012 - 05:41 .

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

It isn't told exactly what happened. What we do know from what the game itself tells us is that the mass relays was destroyed by marines if you didn't do Arrival

[bencew]

And if you do arrival early, hacket actually gives you permission to work with cerberus to take down the collectors!!

So getting arrested for working with cerberus is even more retarded.

Actually, it isn't retarded.

Hackett: Evidence against you is shoddy at best. But at some point, you'll have to go to Earth and face the music. I can't stop it... but I can and will make them fight for it.

So he basically says he will buy you some time to finish your business with the Collectors, but then you'll have to face the consequences.

[SubAstris]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

Creator-Byne is correct. The story about the marines makes no sense and is an excuse for the reapers not coming through the alpha relay 6 months prior to the game's start. Also, although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.

Most players play the games right? I for one haven't read the books. I can only take as evidence what is shown in the game. When I am playing a game, if the game tells me one thing, and something else tells me another, I am going to go always with the former because that's the only evidence I have been given. If I have to read books and comics to understand such a basic plot point then I have not failed at my job, it is BW's responsibilty.

[MothershipChip]

Canon, non-cannon who cares. The bottom line is that in just a few short days we will finally be able to play the EC and have our answers. If the EC is good and takes care of the major plot holes (the random piles of bodies, Joker becoming a coward etc.) we should all be happy regardless of whether it is IT or not.

My question is when is DLC released. Will we be able to play it at 12:01 am on Tuesday?

[BansheeOwnage]

SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

Creator-Byne is correct. The story about the marines makes no sense and is an excuse for the reapers not coming through the alpha relay 6 months prior to the game's start. Also, although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.

Most players play the games right? I for one haven't read the books. I can only take as evidence what is shown in the game. When I am playing a game, if the game tells me one thing, and something else tells me another, I am going to go always with the former because that's the only evidence I have been given. If I have to read books and comics to understand such a basic plot point then I have not failed at my job, it is BW's responsibilty.

You realize that's like saying "I didn't play ME1 or ME2 so I'll only pay attention to things that happen in ME3." Also I don't play well with people who don't accept evidence. That's why I like this thread

[zambot]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

You realize that's like saying "I didn't play ME1 or ME2 so I'll only pay attention to things that happen in ME3." Also I don't play well with people who don't accept evidence. That's why I like this thread

Except if you did not play ME1 or ME2, Bioware attempts to resolve the key points of both ME1 and ME2 through explanation to the player.  Arrival was so resolved.  Marines destroyed Object Rho, not Shepard.

[GethPrimeMKII]

SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

Creator-Byne is correct. The story about the marines makes no sense and is an excuse for the reapers not coming through the alpha relay 6 months prior to the game's start. Also, although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.

Most players play the games right? I for one haven't read the books. I can only take as evidence what is shown in the game. When I am playing a game, if the game tells me one thing, and something else tells me another, I am going to go always with the former because that's the only evidence I have been given. If I have to read books and comics to understand such a basic plot point then I have not failed at my job, it is BW's responsibilty.

You ought to read the books and comics. They are actually quite good. I get the impression that you think reading them is a burden. Why?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Schachmatt wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I think we're screwed if the InDoc theory is confirmed false xD

If the EC turns out to be another mess, IT will definitly be my head-canon. I find it somewhat ridiculous that in a story based upon brutal brainwashers which prime targets are charismatic leaders the charismatic leader we play should not be affected in any way.

But then i get the feeling that some folks might think: Ooooh, there are creepy monsters in my sci-fi Dating Simulator? Well drive them out here fast, my Shep is waiting to be united with his/her LI. There is no greater purpose than that! (no offense, I do like my LI too ;-))

I think it's more

"Hey guys, in this story about brutal brainwashers who seem to specifically target egotistical xenophobes who wish to forward their race's agendas at the expense of brutal destruction wrought upon other races, they're trying to control your character. Don't worry, you can break free of their control by being an egotistical xenophobe who wishes to forward your race's agenda at the expense of brutal destruction of another race." 

[blooregard]

zambot wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

Why is Arrival the only thing I ever see people claim isnt canon, just because its possible not to do it?

Its possible to never recruit Garrus in ME1, but I've never seen anyone claim Garrus isnt a canon ME1 squadmate.

I understand why it gets mentioned: addressing Arrival as canon or not determines its viability as a device used to interpret the fundamentals of the game proper, not just the tone or peripheral elements.

Hell as far as I'm concerned LOTSB is canon just as Arrival and all other DLCs are. Why? Because Bioware created them to add to a story. In a perfect world, they would be free, but they can't do that. If EC costed money, people would suddenly say it's not canon because you don't have to play it.

Think about it. If Arrival was free there wouldn't be an argument. "Of course it's canon anyone can/should download it."

The existance of the DLC isn't what makes them canon.  It's how they are handled if you did not do them.  You cannot argue that Arrival itself isn't canon.  That's not in dispute.  What is arguable is whether Shepard was responsible for the events of Arrival.  In my playthrough the game clearly says he is not.  

Is Shepard being male canon?  I think not, but clearly some people must because he's a male in the comics.

Under this logic doesn't that mean that the entire game of ME3 is non-canon as Shepard and company can die in at the end of ME2

...
The closest thing to "canon" we have for the  ME series is the default stuff BW puts in the game...so all the worst possible choices are canon pretty much

Modifié par blooregard, 23 juin 2012 - 05:57 .

[SubAstris]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

Creator-Byne is correct. The story about the marines makes no sense and is an excuse for the reapers not coming through the alpha relay 6 months prior to the game's start. Also, although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.

Most players play the games right? I for one haven't read the books. I can only take as evidence what is shown in the game. When I am playing a game, if the game tells me one thing, and something else tells me another, I am going to go always with the former because that's the only evidence I have been given. If I have to read books and comics to understand such a basic plot point then I have not failed at my job, it is BW's responsibilty.

You realize that's like saying "I didn't play ME1 or ME2 so I'll only pay attention to things that happen in ME3." Also I don't play well with people who don't accept evidence. That's why I like this thread

No, you are misunderstanding what I am saying, the comparison is null. Game content still trumps everything else, all you've done is assert this not to be the case yet not give a convincing argument for it

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Good thing I kept my mouth shut lol.

Why, who'd you think Amon was?

That answer shall go with me to the grave!

Aww, dont be like that!

I kind of thought Amon was Tarrlok until they finally appeared in a scene together a few episodes back.

Is Tarrlok the blood bender? if so then yes I think i saw that one.

Yes, Tarrlok is the bloodbender. Are you saying you thought he was Amon? Or are you just going to be a tease and not tell me who you thought Amon was?

I told you who I originally thought he was, even though I was wrong.

I expected it to be a decendant of Aang, since to my limited knowledge, was the only one who know how to remove bending.

[GethPrimeMKII]

SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

Creator-Byne is correct. The story about the marines makes no sense and is an excuse for the reapers not coming through the alpha relay 6 months prior to the game's start. Also, although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.

Most players play the games right? I for one haven't read the books. I can only take as evidence what is shown in the game. When I am playing a game, if the game tells me one thing, and something else tells me another, I am going to go always with the former because that's the only evidence I have been given. If I have to read books and comics to understand such a basic plot point then I have not failed at my job, it is BW's responsibilty.

You realize that's like saying "I didn't play ME1 or ME2 so I'll only pay attention to things that happen in ME3." Also I don't play well with people who don't accept evidence. That's why I like this thread

No, you are misunderstanding what I am saying, the comparison is null. Game content still trumps everything else, all you've done is assert this not to be the case yet not give a convincing argument for it

You're still downplaying the importance of the books and comics though. 

[SubAstris]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.

Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.

Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.

For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

Creator-Byne is correct. The story about the marines makes no sense and is an excuse for the reapers not coming through the alpha relay 6 months prior to the game's start. Also, although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.

Most players play the games right? I for one haven't read the books. I can only take as evidence what is shown in the game. When I am playing a game, if the game tells me one thing, and something else tells me another, I am going to go always with the former because that's the only evidence I have been given. If I have to read books and comics to understand such a basic plot point then I have not failed at my job, it is BW's responsibilty.

You ought to read the books and comics. They are actually quite good. I get the impression that you think reading them is a burden. Why?

Mainly because I don't think the books  would be that good, especially having heard the comments about the latest one, but I think that's beside the point. Also, I'm not really a comics person

[TSA_383]

MothershipChip wrote...

Canon, non-cannon who cares. The bottom line is that in just a few short days we will finally be able to play the EC and have our answers. If the EC is good and takes care of the major plot holes (the random piles of bodies, Joker becoming a coward etc.) we should all be happy regardless of whether it is IT or not.

My question is when is DLC released. Will we be able to play it at 12:01 am on Tuesday?

According to Mike Gamble, it releases 2am PST on tuesday.

[zambot]

blooregard wrote...

zambot wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

byne wrote...

Why is Arrival the only thing I ever see people claim isnt canon, just because its possible not to do it?

Its possible to never recruit Garrus in ME1, but I've never seen anyone claim Garrus isnt a canon ME1 squadmate.

I understand why it gets mentioned: addressing Arrival as canon or not determines its viability as a device used to interpret the fundamentals of the game proper, not just the tone or peripheral elements.

Hell as far as I'm concerned LOTSB is canon just as Arrival and all other DLCs are. Why? Because Bioware created them to add to a story. In a perfect world, they would be free, but they can't do that. If EC costed money, people would suddenly say it's not canon because you don't have to play it.

Think about it. If Arrival was free there wouldn't be an argument. "Of course it's canon anyone can/should download it."

The existance of the DLC isn't what makes them canon.  It's how they are handled if you did not do them.  You cannot argue that Arrival itself isn't canon.  That's not in dispute.  What is arguable is whether Shepard was responsible for the events of Arrival.  In my playthrough the game clearly says he is not.  

Is Shepard being male canon?  I think not, but clearly some people must because he's a male in the comics.

Under this logic doesn't that mean that the entire game of ME3 is non-canon as Shepard and company can die in at the end of ME2

...
The closest thing to "canon" we have for the  ME series is the default stuff BW puts in the game...so all the worst possible choices are canon pretty much

You cannot import your game from ME2 if Shep dies.  So there is no possible way to play ME3 with Shep dying in ME2, thus at the end of ME3 there is no possible scenario under which Shep dies (edit: in ME2 anyway).

Modifié par zambot, 23 juin 2012 - 06:02 .

[BansheeOwnage]

[quote]GethPrimeMKII wrote...

[quote]SubAstris wrote...

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

[quote]SubAstris wrote...

[quote]BansheeOwnage wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

[quote]SubAstris wrote...

[quote]byne wrote...

[quote]Lord Goose wrote...




[quote]Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .[/quote]

It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.




[quote]Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.[/quote]


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Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.
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For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon

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But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

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Creator-Byne is correct. The story about the marines makes no sense and is an excuse for the reapers not coming through the alpha relay 6 months prior to the game's start. Also, although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.[/quote]

Most players play the games right? I for one haven't read the books. I can only take as evidence what is shown in the game. When I am playing a game, if the game tells me one thing, and something else tells me another, I am going to go always with the former because that's the only evidence I have been given. If I have to read books and comics to understand such a basic plot point then I have not failed at my job, it is BW's responsibilty.

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You realize that's like saying "I didn't play ME1 or ME2 so I'll only pay attention to things that happen in ME3." Also I don't play well with people who don't accept evidence. That's why I like this thread [/quote]

No, you are misunderstanding what I am saying, the comparison is null. Game content still trumps everything else, all you've done is assert this not to be the case yet not give a convincing argument for it

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You're still downplaying the importance of the books and comics though. 

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You know I'll just copy-paste what I said earlier.
Although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.

[zambot]

EpyonX3 wrote...

I expected it to be a decendant of Aang, since to my limited knowledge, was the only one who know how to remove bending.

Don't feel bad.  I guessed the same thing.  

[TSA_383]

Also, I'm just going to upload the last scene from my playthrough I just finished - The "Choice" sequence, with the music turned off.
If you can watch it and honestly think that what you're seeing is in any way legit then I'll sell you a bridge...

[BansheeOwnage]

TSA_383 wrote...

MothershipChip wrote...

Canon, non-cannon who cares. The bottom line is that in just a few short days we will finally be able to play the EC and have our answers. If the EC is good and takes care of the major plot holes (the random piles of bodies, Joker becoming a coward etc.) we should all be happy regardless of whether it is IT or not.

My question is when is DLC released. Will we be able to play it at 12:01 am on Tuesday?

According to Mike Gamble, it releases 2am PST on tuesday.

Well before I'm awake

[DirtyPhoenix]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

byne wrote...



But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

Well it can be argued that Hackett sent his team of marines in the same sense that he sent Shepard and her whole Normandy crew,  maybe only one of that team of marines was meant to infiltrate the prison like Shepard did, while the others would provide supprt if necessary..

Yeah, you're right. It could be argued thatHackett sent in his super-1337 normal marines in their new Normandy SR3 stealth ship

I didn't say I'd agree with such line of reasoning, just putting it out there :|