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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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TSA_383 wrote...

Also, I'm just going to upload the last scene from my playthrough I just finished - The "Choice" sequence, with the music turned off.
If you can watch it and honestly think that what you're seeing is in any way legit then I'll sell you a bridge...


Let me guess, you have some beachfront property in Arizona that you'd be happy to sell us for a modest price, right? :P

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You're still downplaying the importance of the books and comics though. 


If information from the game directly contradicts something from the comics, playing the game, the former must take precedence

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SubAstris wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...


You're still downplaying the importance of the books and comics though. 


If information from the game directly contradicts something from the comics, playing the game, the former must take precedence


Ya they brought Sanders into the game from the books and comics.

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Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.

Modifié par Dwailing, 23 juin 2012 - 06:06 .


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You know I'll just copy-paste what I said earlier.
Although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.


You still have not given adequate reason for anyway to believe that for the game, all other information from the books, comics, T-shirts etc takes precedence over anything in it.

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Anybody voted for the poll's about all the sly comets about IT.

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http://social.biowar...57/polls/35619/

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 23 juin 2012 - 06:10 .


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Dwailing wrote...

Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.

Cool.

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zambot wrote...

blooregard wrote...

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Why is Arrival the only thing I ever see people claim isnt canon, just because its possible not to do it?

Its possible to never recruit Garrus in ME1, but I've never seen anyone claim Garrus isnt a canon ME1 squadmate.


I understand why it gets mentioned: addressing Arrival as canon or not determines its viability as a device used to interpret the fundamentals of the game proper, not just the tone or peripheral elements.

Hell as far as I'm concerned LOTSB is canon just as Arrival and all other DLCs are. Why? Because Bioware created them to add to a story. In a perfect world, they would be free, but they can't do that. If EC costed money, people would suddenly say it's not canon because you don't have to play it.

Think about it. If Arrival was free there wouldn't be an argument. "Of course it's canon anyone can/should download it."


The existance of the DLC isn't what makes them canon.  It's how they are handled if you did not do them.  You cannot argue that Arrival itself isn't canon.  That's not in dispute.  What is arguable is whether Shepard was responsible for the events of Arrival.  In my playthrough the game clearly says he is not.  

Is Shepard being male canon?  I think not, but clearly some people must because he's a male in the comics.






Under this logic doesn't that mean that the entire game of ME3 is non-canon as Shepard and company can die in at the end of ME2

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The closest thing to "canon" we have for the  ME series is the default stuff BW puts in the game...so all the worst possible choices are canon pretty much


You cannot import your game from ME2 if Shep dies.  So there is no possible way to play ME3 with Shep dying in ME2, thus at the end of ME3 there is no possible scenario under which Shep dies (edit: in ME2 anyway).



By your reason if its "optional" it isn't canon. which is why you're saying Garrus as a squad mate in ME1 isn't canon, Arrival isn't canon, and LotSB isn't canon. According to this logic because you can die in ME2 that makes ME3 optional. That means ME3 isn't canon

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Thank god I found out how to turn off getting e-mail notifications from my own polls. You guys were spamming my mailbox ^^

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.

Cool.


Yeah.  I just figured it was worth mentioning considering that we pretty much agree that Arrival is where the serious exposure to the Reapers began.  It could be that Bioware is giving a subtle hint that people should buy it.  Or maybe it's just a glitch.  I don't know.

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Dwailing wrote...

Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.


I've noticed various advertisements on the main page for both the ME games and their DLCs. I know what you're getting at though, but I still think it's probably nothing. Just the next DLC in line for showcasing. 

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LazyTechGuy wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.


I've noticed various advertisements on the main page for both the ME games and their DLCs. I know what you're getting at though, but I still think it's probably nothing. Just the next DLC in line for showcasing. 


OK, I just thought it might have some significance in the context of IT.

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does anyone know the exact time when the dlc will be released? midnight?

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Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.

Cool.


Yeah.  I just figured it was worth mentioning considering that we pretty much agree that Arrival is where the serious exposure to the Reapers began.  It could be that Bioware is giving a subtle hint that people should buy it.  Or maybe it's just a glitch.  I don't know.

What would be really suspicious is if it was on sale.

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@waldstr18 - I don't believe they have specified a time.

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Okay, so I am quite sure they won't show us for sure that Shepard is indoctrinated. This is because they want to please everyone. However they can do this and also have IT. I think they are going to show the people who chose control or synthesis a continued illusion. So for those who choose that they never really break free of the illusion and are getting false images from the Reapers still. So those who choose that are pleased in their dream like states. For those who choose destroy, Shepard breaks free and you get to see what actually happened. This still leaves for speculation while also proving IT is true.

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SubAstris wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

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byne wrote...

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Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .


It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.


Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.





Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.


For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon


But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.

Creator-Byne is correct. The story about the marines makes no sense and is an excuse for the reapers not coming through the alpha relay 6 months prior to the game's start. Also, although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.


Most players play the games right? I for one haven't read the books. I can only take as evidence what is shown in the game. When I am playing a game, if the game tells me one thing, and something else tells me another, I am going to go always with the former because that's the only evidence I have been given. If I have to read books and comics to understand such a basic plot point then I have not failed at my job, it is BW's responsibilty.


You ought to read the books and comics. They are actually quite good. I get the impression that you think reading them is a burden. Why?


Mainly because I don't think the books  would be that good, especially having heard the comments about the latest one, but I think that's beside the point. Also, I'm not really a comics person


You're missing out then. You wont understand how certain events within the game came to be without reading the books and comics. You don't have anything to lose by reading them. You can ignore Mass Effect Deception if you wish, because it considered noncanon by the author. 

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waldstr18 wrote...

does anyone know the exact time when the dlc will be released? midnight?

I believe it's 0:200 PST.

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I expected it to be a decendant of Aang, since to my limited knowledge, was the only one who know how to remove bending.


Don't feel bad.  I guessed the same thing.  


Back. Had to leave the house for a few minutes.

Anyhow, yeah, lots of people thought Amon was going to be a descendant of Aang.

A lot of people thought it would be Bumi, Aang's only non-bender child.

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waldstr18 wrote...

does anyone know the exact time when the dlc will be released? midnight?


Oh Keelah, you're back.  Well, to answer your question, it should be coming out around 2:00 a.m. PST on Tuesday.  That means that it should be coming out around 10:00 a.m. GMT.

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waldstr18 wrote...

does anyone know the exact time when the dlc will be released? midnight?


I think in one of Mike's tweets he said about 2 PST or something.

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waldstr18 wrote...

does anyone know the exact time when the dlc will be released? midnight?


Waldstr! Long time no see! ;)

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

SubAstris wrote...


Mainly because I don't think the books  would be that good, especially having heard the comments about the latest one, but I think that's beside the point. Also, I'm not really a comics person


You're missing out then. You wont understand how certain events within the game came to be without reading the books and comics. You don't have anything to lose by reading them. You can ignore Mass Effect Deception if you wish, because it considered noncanon by the author. 


I would STRONGLY recommend skipping Deception.  That book, put quite bluntly, sucks.

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SubAstris wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...


You're still downplaying the importance of the books and comics though. 


If information from the game directly contradicts something from the comics, playing the game, the former must take precedence


With the exception of Mass Effect Deception, nothing from the books or comics contradict the game's story.