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TSA_383 wrote...
Also, I'm just going to upload the last scene from my playthrough I just finished - The "Choice" sequence, with the music turned off.
If you can watch it and honestly think that what you're seeing is in any way legit then I'll sell you a bridge...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
You're still downplaying the importance of the books and comics though.
SubAstris wrote...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
You're still downplaying the importance of the books and comics though.
If information from the game directly contradicts something from the comics, playing the game, the former must take precedence
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BansheeOwnage wrote...
You know I'll just copy-paste what I said earlier.
Although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.
Cool.Dwailing wrote...
Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.
zambot wrote...
blooregard wrote...
zambot wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Hell as far as I'm concerned LOTSB is canon just as Arrival and all other DLCs are. Why? Because Bioware created them to add to a story. In a perfect world, they would be free, but they can't do that. If EC costed money, people would suddenly say it's not canon because you don't have to play it.dreamgazer wrote...
byne wrote...
Why is Arrival the only thing I ever see people claim isnt canon, just because its possible not to do it?
Its possible to never recruit Garrus in ME1, but I've never seen anyone claim Garrus isnt a canon ME1 squadmate.
I understand why it gets mentioned: addressing Arrival as canon or not determines its viability as a device used to interpret the fundamentals of the game proper, not just the tone or peripheral elements.
Think about it. If Arrival was free there wouldn't be an argument. "Of course it's canon anyone can/should download it."
The existance of the DLC isn't what makes them canon. It's how they are handled if you did not do them. You cannot argue that Arrival itself isn't canon. That's not in dispute. What is arguable is whether Shepard was responsible for the events of Arrival. In my playthrough the game clearly says he is not.
Is Shepard being male canon? I think not, but clearly some people must because he's a male in the comics.
Under this logic doesn't that mean that the entire game of ME3 is non-canon as Shepard and company can die in at the end of ME2
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The closest thing to "canon" we have for the ME series is the default stuff BW puts in the game...so all the worst possible choices are canon pretty much
You cannot import your game from ME2 if Shep dies. So there is no possible way to play ME3 with Shep dying in ME2, thus at the end of ME3 there is no possible scenario under which Shep dies (edit: in ME2 anyway).
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Cool.Dwailing wrote...
Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.
Dwailing wrote...
Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.
LazyTechGuy wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.
I've noticed various advertisements on the main page for both the ME games and their DLCs. I know what you're getting at though, but I still think it's probably nothing. Just the next DLC in line for showcasing.
What would be really suspicious is if it was on sale.Dwailing wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Cool.Dwailing wrote...
Interesting. When I booted up my Xbox 360, I scrolled over to the Games section, and guess what I saw. An advertisement for Arrival. Now, when I clicked it, it asked if I wanted to do something Netflix related, so it could be a glitch, but it still seems weird that an ad for Arrival would pop up RIGHT before the release of the EC.
Yeah. I just figured it was worth mentioning considering that we pretty much agree that Arrival is where the serious exposure to the Reapers began. It could be that Bioware is giving a subtle hint that people should buy it. Or maybe it's just a glitch. I don't know.
SubAstris wrote...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
BansheeOwnage wrote...
Creator-Byne is correct. The story about the marines makes no sense and is an excuse for the reapers not coming through the alpha relay 6 months prior to the game's start. Also, although games may be more canon than other media in general, it is the opposite for Mass Effect. If you cannot understand why, I don't think I can help you anymore.byne wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
byne wrote...
Lord Goose wrote...
Shepard awoke two days later, with only a few hours remaining to initiate the Project. .
It is possible to not buy that DLC. In that case, War Assets will have that message.Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps.
Except Arrival is made canon by one of the comics. The same comic that set up the fact that James is the one guarding Shepard. So you cant really call the comic non-canon.
For the Mass Effect games, anything that is in the games themselves trump anything found in other media. As events change distinctly depending on whether you did Arrival or not, we can safely assume from the game itself that Shepard actually doing Arrival is not canon
But sending a bunch of marines out to break Kenson out of jail makes no sense. Hackett didnt know about her discovery of Object Rho. He sent you there to break Kenson out, not to blow up the relay. He straight up said sending a team of marines would cause the batarians to just execute Kenson, which is why you had to go alone.
Most players play the games right? I for one haven't read the books. I can only take as evidence what is shown in the game. When I am playing a game, if the game tells me one thing, and something else tells me another, I am going to go always with the former because that's the only evidence I have been given. If I have to read books and comics to understand such a basic plot point then I have not failed at my job, it is BW's responsibilty.
You ought to read the books and comics. They are actually quite good. I get the impression that you think reading them is a burden. Why?
Mainly because I don't think the books would be that good, especially having heard the comments about the latest one, but I think that's beside the point. Also, I'm not really a comics person
I believe it's 0:200 PST.waldstr18 wrote...
does anyone know the exact time when the dlc will be released? midnight?
zambot wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
I expected it to be a decendant of Aang, since to my limited knowledge, was the only one who know how to remove bending.
Don't feel bad. I guessed the same thing.
waldstr18 wrote...
does anyone know the exact time when the dlc will be released? midnight?
waldstr18 wrote...
does anyone know the exact time when the dlc will be released? midnight?
waldstr18 wrote...
does anyone know the exact time when the dlc will be released? midnight?
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Mainly because I don't think the books would be that good, especially having heard the comments about the latest one, but I think that's beside the point. Also, I'm not really a comics person
You're missing out then. You wont understand how certain events within the game came to be without reading the books and comics. You don't have anything to lose by reading them. You can ignore Mass Effect Deception if you wish, because it considered noncanon by the author.
SubAstris wrote...
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
You're still downplaying the importance of the books and comics though.
If information from the game directly contradicts something from the comics, playing the game, the former must take precedence
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