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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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GethPrimeMKII

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DarthShadow13 wrote...

I hope they explain how Shepard survives the Citadel blowing up and crash landing on earth...



The non IT explanation:

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If I calculated correctly. :P. I'll get EC 5 in the morning. Good thing I'm up. Lol.

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Hey all! Just checking in to let you guys know that the first 3 minutes of Choose Wisely are done. Still on pace for a Monday release. I still dont want to spoil the contents of the video, but I'll just say that if you like the style of the second half of my infrasound video, you're going to like this one even more. ;)

For those who havent seen it yet, I have a 30 second teaser for Choose Wisely available. 

Will check back in again later to let you know how it's going. 

Stay cool!

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The only way I can think of to keep IT possible and give more closure is putting additional content only before the ShepardAlive scene... If that's what EC is I'm gonna be really disappointed...
But of course I may be wrong...

Modifié par Ravereth, 23 juin 2012 - 06:56 .


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All I can say is, we are facing the end of a war that's as similar as the Time War. Anyway you look at this, there will be casualties. A lot of hate, disappointment, and all an all kamikaze trolling. I hope they can preform a miracle, and make generally deliver with all aces.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...

I hope they explain how Shepard survives the Citadel blowing up and crash landing on earth...



The non IT explanation:




Please. Goku can't breathe in space, so clearly your explanation is invalid. The REAL literalist explanation for why surviving destruction is possible is because Shepard is really....

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Does EC come out on Tuesday everywhere?

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I'm reading that Deception rage comic right now.

I just got to the cereal part. That actually happens?

Looking forward to the video, HellishFiend!

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LT123 wrote...

I'm reading that Deception rage comic right now.

I just got to the cereal part. That actually happens?

Looking forward to the video, HellishFiend!


Yeah, it actually FRAKKING happens.  And so, Kai Leng, Cereal Killer, was born.

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LT123 wrote...

I'm reading that Deception rage comic right now.

I just got to the cereal part. That actually happens?

Looking forward to the video, HellishFiend!


Yes, that actually happens. He also flirts with an Asari stripper and eats "Salarian curry".

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HellishFiend wrote...

Hey all! Just checking in to let you guys know that the first 3 minutes of Choose Wisely are done. Still on pace for a Monday release. I still dont want to spoil the contents of the video, but I'll just say that if you like the style of the second half of my infrasound video, you're going to like this one even more. ;)

For those who havent seen it yet, I have a 30 second teaser for Choose Wisely available. 

Will check back in again later to let you know how it's going. 

Stay cool!


Looks great. I knew it would be good to come back and check what's going on on this thread :)

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@Dwailing and Earthborn_Shepard:
....This hurts me. :pinched:

Modifié par LT123, 23 juin 2012 - 07:08 .


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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

LT123 wrote...

I'm reading that Deception rage comic right now.

I just got to the cereal part. That actually happens?

Looking forward to the video, HellishFiend!


Yes, that actually happens. He also flirts with an Asari stripper and eats "Salarian curry".


Thats interesting when you consider the fact he couldn't stand to be in the same room with aliens in Retribution. 

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LT123 wrote...

@Dwailing and Earthborn_Shepard:
....This hurts me. :pinched:


Yeah, I know.

Edit: Just wait until you get to the end.  It actually manages to get worse.

Modifié par Dwailing, 23 juin 2012 - 07:10 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

Hey all! Just checking in to let you guys know that the first 3 minutes of Choose Wisely are done. Still on pace for a Monday release. I still dont want to spoil the contents of the video, but I'll just say that if you like the style of the second half of my infrasound video, you're going to like this one even more. ;)

For those who havent seen it yet, I have a 30 second teaser for Choose Wisely available. 

Will check back in again later to let you know how it's going. 

Stay cool!


The only thing that could depress those of us who have been working hard on stuff for IT is if IT wasn't true and it all that work was wasted. :crying: Either way keep up the hard work!!! It will all pay off!!! :happy: Indoctrination Theory: A Documentary Part 2 is said to come out soon...can't wait for it and as well yours.

Seems that the announcement caused everyone to hurry up with their videos... :P

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There are a lot of problems with Indoctrination theory. That it is all speculative and that you have to force a lot of events to fit the theory is one problem. But the biggest issue with it is that it means the game has no ending; there is no resolution to the war with the Reapers and regardless what option Shepard chooses, either s/he died when hit by the laser or s/he is alive and lying in a pile of rubble. So what was the point of IT? If IT is saying that the events on the Citadel are real, but part of the Reapers' attempts to indoctrinate Shepard then the ending sucks just as bad as the ending without IT in the mix because ghost child (Reaper agent), and the choices given, and their resultant effects are still highly disconnected from the rest of the story.

With IT or without IT, the ending does not work because neither fits in line with the story that has been told for the past eight years and three games.

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michaelca wrote...

There are a lot of problems with Indoctrination theory. That it is all speculative and that you have to force a lot of events to fit the theory is one problem. But the biggest issue with it is that it means the game has no ending; there is no resolution to the war with the Reapers and regardless what option Shepard chooses, either s/he died when hit by the laser or s/he is alive and lying in a pile of rubble. So what was the point of IT? If IT is saying that the events on the Citadel are real, but part of the Reapers' attempts to indoctrinate Shepard then the ending sucks just as bad as the ending without IT in the mix because ghost child (Reaper agent), and the choices given, and their resultant effects are still highly disconnected from the rest of the story.

With IT or without IT, the ending does not work because neither fits in line with the story that has been told for the past eight years and three games.

8 years?

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Dwailing wrote...

LT123 wrote...

@Dwailing and Earthborn_Shepard:
....This hurts me. :pinched:


Yeah, I know.


So, I just finished reading the rage comic. How did Gillian actually lose her autism? Did some scientist dude actually cure it and artificially age her, or was that just the comic writer making fun of the book's writer for getting Gillian's age wrong (which I think I vaguely remember hearing about)?

#26119
Earthborn_Shepard

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byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

LT123 wrote...

@Dwailing and Earthborn_Shepard:
....This hurts me. :pinched:


Yeah, I know.


So, I just finished reading the rage comic. How did Gillian actually lose her autism? Did some scientist dude actually cure it and artificially age her, or was that just the comic writer making fun of the book's writer for getting Gillian's age wrong (which I think I vaguely remember hearing about)?


as far as I recall, her autism isn't even really mentioned anymore. Yes she's apparently 18 now, and there's a sentence saying that she used to be "instabile" or something like that.

Which is pretty hilarious for people with real autism, like me. :o

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.

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There's a storm coming Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better down the hatches because when it hit's your all going to wonder how it hit so fast and leave so little for the rest of us.

That's what's going to happen on Tuesday the legend of Shepard end's Tuesday. Although I would be nice to have batman armor and the batmobel as the mako for a bonus content in the game.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

LT123 wrote...

@Dwailing and Earthborn_Shepard:
....This hurts me. :pinched:


Yeah, I know.


So, I just finished reading the rage comic. How did Gillian actually lose her autism? Did some scientist dude actually cure it and artificially age her, or was that just the comic writer making fun of the book's writer for getting Gillian's age wrong (which I think I vaguely remember hearing about)?


as far as I recall, her autism isn't even really mentioned anymore. Yes she's apparently 18 now, and there's a sentence saying that she used to be "instabile" or something like that.

Which is pretty hilarious for people with real autism, like me. :o

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.


Yeah, that's it in a nutshell.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

LT123 wrote...

@Dwailing and Earthborn_Shepard:
....This hurts me. :pinched:


Yeah, I know.


So, I just finished reading the rage comic. How did Gillian actually lose her autism? Did some scientist dude actually cure it and artificially age her, or was that just the comic writer making fun of the book's writer for getting Gillian's age wrong (which I think I vaguely remember hearing about)?


as far as I recall, her autism isn't even really mentioned anymore. Yes she's apparently 18 now, and there's a sentence saying that she used to be "instabile" or something like that.

Which is pretty hilarious for people with real autism, like me. :o

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.


So, getting older cures autism? What about David Archer? :unsure:

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

michaelca wrote...

There are a lot of problems with Indoctrination theory. That it is all speculative and that you have to force a lot of events to fit the theory is one problem. But the biggest issue with it is that it means the game has no ending; there is no resolution to the war with the Reapers and regardless what option Shepard chooses, either s/he died when hit by the laser or s/he is alive and lying in a pile of rubble. So what was the point of IT? If IT is saying that the events on the Citadel are real, but part of the Reapers' attempts to indoctrinate Shepard then the ending sucks just as bad as the ending without IT in the mix because ghost child (Reaper agent), and the choices given, and their resultant effects are still highly disconnected from the rest of the story.

With IT or without IT, the ending does not work because neither fits in line with the story that has been told for the past eight years and three games.

8 years?


She means since they started to work on ME1

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michaelca wrote...

There are a lot of problems with Indoctrination theory. That it is all speculative and that you have to force a lot of events to fit the theory is one problem. But the biggest issue with it is that it means the game has no ending; there is no resolution to the war with the Reapers and regardless what option Shepard chooses, either s/he died when hit by the laser or s/he is alive and lying in a pile of rubble. So what was the point of IT? If IT is saying that the events on the Citadel are real, but part of the Reapers' attempts to indoctrinate Shepard then the ending sucks just as bad as the ending without IT in the mix because ghost child (Reaper agent), and the choices given, and their resultant effects are still highly disconnected from the rest of the story.

With IT or without IT, the ending does not work because neither fits in line with the story that has been told for the past eight years and three games.


I went ahead and bolded everything in that statement that is false. The underlined I had problems understanding. Might want to fix that up. The fact is with IT, we are not forcing anything. It's already there. For now it has a ending. Shepard chooses and wakes up or not. I agree there is no resolution, but there will possibly be one in EC or it will set it up for a sequel. Also according to IT the events of the citadel happened in your mind. As well the alive/dead portion of being in the rubble depends on how much EMS you have. Too low and you don't survive the transition back to reality.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.


Wait, when was Hendel ever gay? I read the other ME books. Did I just forget about that, or was it just something that was only ever implied and that I totally missed?