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[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

michaelca wrote...

There are a lot of problems with Indoctrination theory. That it is all speculative and that you have to force a lot of events to fit the theory is one problem. But the biggest issue with it is that it means the game has no ending; there is no resolution to the war with the Reapers and regardless what option Shepard chooses, either s/he died when hit by the laser or s/he is alive and lying in a pile of rubble. So what was the point of IT? If IT is saying that the events on the Citadel are real, but part of the Reapers' attempts to indoctrinate Shepard then the ending sucks just as bad as the ending without IT in the mix because ghost child (Reaper agent), and the choices given, and their resultant effects are still highly disconnected from the rest of the story.

With IT or without IT, the ending does not work because neither fits in line with the story that has been told for the past eight years and three games.

8 years?

She means since they started to work on ME1

It's a weird thing to say because they didn't "tell" the story until ME1 was released.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'ma play some MP.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.

Wait, when was Hendel ever gay? I read the other ME books. Did I just forget about that, or was it just something that was only ever implied and that I totally missed?

It was implied in Ascension.. something about women not being "his type"

[UrgedDuke]

could the EC really be as bad as we fear it could be. I mean is Bioware really capable of delivering an even bigger fail than the epic fail of an ending, I sure as S**t hope not

[zambot]

blooregard wrote...


By your reason if its "optional" it isn't canon. which is why you're saying Garrus as a squad mate in ME1 isn't canon, Arrival isn't canon, and LotSB isn't canon. According to this logic because you can die in ME2 that makes ME3 optional. That means ME3 isn't canon

If you cannot see the difference between playing ME3 and seeing that space marines destroyed Object Rho, and not being able to import your save game from ME2 because you died, then I'm afraid we will never be able to agree on a definition of canon.

[Dwailing]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.

Wait, when was Hendel ever gay? I read the other ME books. Did I just forget about that, or was it just something that was only ever implied and that I totally missed?

It was implied in Ascension.. something about women not being "his type"

Yeah, and then the undercover Cerberus dude that was having sex with Kahlee jokes about how maybe Paul Grayson is Hendel's type.  It's pretty strongly implied that Hendel is gay.

Edit: Now I remember, the undercover Cerberus dude jokes that Hendel might have a crush on Grayson, I believe.  Or something like that.  Shoot, you all are going to make me reread Ascension, aren't you? 

Modifié par Dwailing, 23 juin 2012 - 07:25 .

[Dwailing]

UrgedDuke wrote...

could the EC really be as bad as we fear it could be. I mean is Bioware really capable of delivering an even bigger fail than the epic fail of an ending, I sure as S**t hope not

It's always a possibility, but it's definitely not a probability.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.

Wait, when was Hendel ever gay? I read the other ME books. Did I just forget about that, or was it just something that was only ever implied and that I totally missed?

It was implied in Ascension.. something about women not being "his type"

Yeah, and then the undercover Cerberus dude that was having sex with Kahlee jokes about how maybe Paul Grayson is Hendel's type.  It's pretty strongly implied.

Well, to be fair to me, I'm not exactly good at picking up on stuff like that.

Hell, it took me years to realize one of my best friends in WoW was a lesbian, even though she referred to her girlfriend multiple times over the years.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Oh, and

MEGA SPOILER

at the end pretty much everyone is dead and basically the entire book didn't have a point.

Especially hilarious was how Nick kills Hendel, because Hendel apparently killed a girl he was going to marry despite having met her a few days ago, and Kahlee is just like "that was not very nice Nick go and apologize"

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.

Wait, when was Hendel ever gay? I read the other ME books. Did I just forget about that, or was it just something that was only ever implied and that I totally missed?

It was implied in Ascension.. something about women not being "his type"

Yeah, and then the undercover Cerberus dude that was having sex with Kahlee jokes about how maybe Paul Grayson is Hendel's type.  It's pretty strongly implied.

Well, to be fair to me, I'm not exactly good at picking up on stuff like that.

Hell, it took me years to realize one of my best friends in WoW was a lesbian, even though she referred to her girlfriend multiple times over the years.

At least tell me you picked up on Traynor being a lesbian when she mentioned how she liked EDI's voice.  If not that, then you had to have at least figured out that Cortez is gay when he mentioned his husband, right?

[zambot]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...


Regardless the events of Arrival are canon as stated by the game creators themselves. Those who opt not to do Arrival (Why would you deprive yourself of such awesome DLC?) are not playing a completely canon storyline. Also, where are you coming up with this heirarchy that says the game trumps the books/comics? I challange you to read the books and comics and come back and tell me they do not add to your understanding of Mass Effect as a whole. 

P.S. You might learn a thing or two about indoctrination from reading.

Sorry, but you're wrong.  If that storyline were indeed canon, then ME3 would not (repeat not) have said that marines blew up Object Rho.  If it were canon, ME3 would have said Shepard destroyed it (even if you did not play it).

Canon: The events of Arrival did actually happen.
Non-canon: Who actually destroyed Object Rho.

[Dwailing]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Oh, and

MEGA SPOILER

at the end pretty much everyone is dead and basically the entire book didn't have a point.

Especially hilarious was how Nick kills Hendel, because Hendel apparently killed a girl he was going to marry despite having met her a few days ago, and Kahlee is just like "that was not very nice Nick go and apologize"

And then Kai Leng kills Gillian with a toothbrush.  You have to admit, though, that artwork in the comic of him stabbing Gillian with the toothbrush WAS pretty epic, wasn't it? 

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.

Wait, when was Hendel ever gay? I read the other ME books. Did I just forget about that, or was it just something that was only ever implied and that I totally missed?

It was implied in Ascension.. something about women not being "his type"

Yeah, and then the undercover Cerberus dude that was having sex with Kahlee jokes about how maybe Paul Grayson is Hendel's type.  It's pretty strongly implied.

Well, to be fair to me, I'm not exactly good at picking up on stuff like that.

Hell, it took me years to realize one of my best friends in WoW was a lesbian, even though she referred to her girlfriend multiple times over the years.

At least tell me you picked up on Traynor being a lesbian when she mentioned how she liked EDI's voice.  If not that, then you had to have at least figured out that Cortez is gay when he mentioned his husband, right?

Cortez: By the way, my husband died, did I mention he was my husband?
Slowpoke Femshep: So... wanna go out?
Cortez: o.O

[Dwailing]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.

Wait, when was Hendel ever gay? I read the other ME books. Did I just forget about that, or was it just something that was only ever implied and that I totally missed?

It was implied in Ascension.. something about women not being "his type"

Yeah, and then the undercover Cerberus dude that was having sex with Kahlee jokes about how maybe Paul Grayson is Hendel's type.  It's pretty strongly implied.

Well, to be fair to me, I'm not exactly good at picking up on stuff like that.

Hell, it took me years to realize one of my best friends in WoW was a lesbian, even though she referred to her girlfriend multiple times over the years.

At least tell me you picked up on Traynor being a lesbian when she mentioned how she liked EDI's voice.  If not that, then you had to have at least figured out that Cortez is gay when he mentioned his husband, right?

Cortez: By the way, my husband died, did I mention he was my husband?
Slowpoke Femshep: So... wanna go out?
Cortez: o.O

Wait, is that actually an option? 

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Dwailing wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.

Wait, when was Hendel ever gay? I read the other ME books. Did I just forget about that, or was it just something that was only ever implied and that I totally missed?

It was implied in Ascension.. something about women not being "his type"

Yeah, and then the undercover Cerberus dude that was having sex with Kahlee jokes about how maybe Paul Grayson is Hendel's type.  It's pretty strongly implied.

Well, to be fair to me, I'm not exactly good at picking up on stuff like that.

Hell, it took me years to realize one of my best friends in WoW was a lesbian, even though she referred to her girlfriend multiple times over the years.

At least tell me you picked up on Traynor being a lesbian when she mentioned how she liked EDI's voice.  If not that, then you had to have at least figured out that Cortez is gay when he mentioned his husband, right?

Cortez: By the way, my husband died, did I mention he was my husband?
Slowpoke Femshep: So... wanna go out?
Cortez: o.O

Wait, is that actually an option? 

Uh.. don't think so.. that was just picking up on your post.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.

Wait, when was Hendel ever gay? I read the other ME books. Did I just forget about that, or was it just something that was only ever implied and that I totally missed?

It was implied in Ascension.. something about women not being "his type"

Yeah, and then the undercover Cerberus dude that was having sex with Kahlee jokes about how maybe Paul Grayson is Hendel's type.  It's pretty strongly implied.

Well, to be fair to me, I'm not exactly good at picking up on stuff like that.

Hell, it took me years to realize one of my best friends in WoW was a lesbian, even though she referred to her girlfriend multiple times over the years.

At least tell me you picked up on Traynor being a lesbian when she mentioned how she liked EDI's voice.  If not that, then you had to have at least figured out that Cortez is gay when he mentioned his husband, right?

Yeah, I picked up on both of those parts pretty easily. I'm good with understanding characters usually, but not so much real people.

[masster blaster]

Well only 3 more days to go hay on Monday we all have to be on this thread but if you got work then it's okay but it's up to byne. Also where is Paxxton, Arin, and leo1x1. Sorry if I spelled there names wrong.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, Hendel is now straight, apparently.

Wait, when was Hendel ever gay? I read the other ME books. Did I just forget about that, or was it just something that was only ever implied and that I totally missed?

It was implied in Ascension.. something about women not being "his type"

Yeah, and then the undercover Cerberus dude that was having sex with Kahlee jokes about how maybe Paul Grayson is Hendel's type.  It's pretty strongly implied.

Well, to be fair to me, I'm not exactly good at picking up on stuff like that.

Hell, it took me years to realize one of my best friends in WoW was a lesbian, even though she referred to her girlfriend multiple times over the years.

At least tell me you picked up on Traynor being a lesbian when she mentioned how she liked EDI's voice.  If not that, then you had to have at least figured out that Cortez is gay when he mentioned his husband, right?

Yeah, I picked up on both of those parts pretty easily. I'm good with understanding characters usually, but not so much real people.

Yeah, real people are so weird. 

[Aedera]

Indeed. Real people are stranger then fiction.

[Aedera]

Anyone up for some mp on Xbox 360? Magiciansgambit

Ps pick one of the savage races for the weekend gig

[GethPrimeMKII]

zambot wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...


Regardless the events of Arrival are canon as stated by the game creators themselves. Those who opt not to do Arrival (Why would you deprive yourself of such awesome DLC?) are not playing a completely canon storyline. Also, where are you coming up with this heirarchy that says the game trumps the books/comics? I challange you to read the books and comics and come back and tell me they do not add to your understanding of Mass Effect as a whole. 

P.S. You might learn a thing or two about indoctrination from reading.

Sorry, but you're wrong.  If that storyline were indeed canon, then ME3 would not (repeat not) have said that marines blew up Object Rho.  If it were canon, ME3 would have said Shepard destroyed it (even if you did not play it).

Canon: The events of Arrival did actually happen.
Non-canon: Who actually destroyed Object Rho.

Hm. The game writters state Arrival is canon. The comics state Arrival is canon. So I believe I am in fact right. As I said before, the marine explanation is only there as a fill in explanation for those who did not do Arrival. That explanation is clearly not canon. We know this. It's been argued into the ground already. 

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...


Yeah, I picked up on both of those parts pretty easily. I'm good with understanding characters usually, but not so much real people.

Yeah, real people are so weird. 

For some reason I'm reminded of a Simmons quote:



I kinda wanna get that shirt...

[zambot]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

zambot wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...


Regardless the events of Arrival are canon as stated by the game creators themselves. Those who opt not to do Arrival (Why would you deprive yourself of such awesome DLC?) are not playing a completely canon storyline. Also, where are you coming up with this heirarchy that says the game trumps the books/comics? I challange you to read the books and comics and come back and tell me they do not add to your understanding of Mass Effect as a whole. 

P.S. You might learn a thing or two about indoctrination from reading.

Sorry, but you're wrong.  If that storyline were indeed canon, then ME3 would not (repeat not) have said that marines blew up Object Rho.  If it were canon, ME3 would have said Shepard destroyed it (even if you did not play it).

Canon: The events of Arrival did actually happen.
Non-canon: Who actually destroyed Object Rho.

Hm. The game writters state Arrival is canon. The comics state Arrival is canon. So I believe I am in fact right. As I said before, the marine explanation is only there as a fill in explanation for those who did not do Arrival. That explanation is clearly not canon. We know this. It's been argued into the ground already. 

It would be utterly retarded for Bioware to make something canon for the 75%+ of their audience that did not play Arrival and thus think the marines destroyed Object Rho.  So until one of the following things happens, it is intellectually dishonest to assume the events at the end of ME3 have anything to do with Shepard being the one that destroys the mass relay in Arrival:

1. Someone from Bioware says "oops we goofed.  That part about the marines should say the Shep went and destroyed the reaper artifact"
2. DLC patches the marines comment out
3. Unicorns descend from outer space and use their rainbow magic to implant memories of Arrival DLC into all of our collective heads.

[schneeland]

@byne:
Reminds me of the "cannot join #real-life. you are banned"-shirts

[byne]

zambot wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

zambot wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...


Regardless the events of Arrival are canon as stated by the game creators themselves. Those who opt not to do Arrival (Why would you deprive yourself of such awesome DLC?) are not playing a completely canon storyline. Also, where are you coming up with this heirarchy that says the game trumps the books/comics? I challange you to read the books and comics and come back and tell me they do not add to your understanding of Mass Effect as a whole. 

P.S. You might learn a thing or two about indoctrination from reading.

Sorry, but you're wrong.  If that storyline were indeed canon, then ME3 would not (repeat not) have said that marines blew up Object Rho.  If it were canon, ME3 would have said Shepard destroyed it (even if you did not play it).

Canon: The events of Arrival did actually happen.
Non-canon: Who actually destroyed Object Rho.

Hm. The game writters state Arrival is canon. The comics state Arrival is canon. So I believe I am in fact right. As I said before, the marine explanation is only there as a fill in explanation for those who did not do Arrival. That explanation is clearly not canon. We know this. It's been argued into the ground already. 

It would be utterly retarded for Bioware to make something canon for the 75%+ of their audience that did not play Arrival and thus think the marines destroyed Object Rho.  So until one of the following things happens, it is intellectually dishonest to assume the events at the end of ME3 have anything to do with Shepard being the one that destroys the mass relay in Arrival:

1. Someone from Bioware says "oops we goofed.  That part about the marines should say the Shep went and destroyed the reaper artifact"
2. DLC patches the marines comment out
3. Unicorns descend from outer space and use their rainbow magic to implant memories of Arrival DLC into all of our collective heads.

I'm pretty sure that even the people that didnt play Arrival realize that it was Shep who blew up the relay in Arrival.

I also doubt the people who care little enough about the ME story that they didnt play Arrival cared to read every single war asset. I'd be surprised if they even knew about the Alpha Relay at all if they didnt play Arrival.