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Rifneno wrote...
I don't know why people get worked up about it. Honestly I think he looks better in 3. The visual on the conduit run was incredible if you ask me. It was the first time I believe we've gotten Shepard close enough to a capital ship to appreciate the sheer immensity of it.
MaximizedAction wrote...
estebanus wrote...
It's f*cking unbelievable that those sh!theads couldn't simply copy/paste the f*cking ME2 model into ME3.
Why, hello estebanus. You seem particularly moody today. Any reason for that?
Rifneno wrote...
Hmm. I just had a wild idea. If the conduit run was a hallucination before the beam, which many of us now believe it was, perhaps the reason Harbinger looks like any other capital ship is because Shepard's memory is just slapping that stupid smiley face onto his recollection of Sovereign's appearance.
estebanus wrote...
The only real good thing that happened today was that I finished MGS4, which again only got me thinking of the ME3 ending again, and how much they managed to f*ck up in 10.Goddamn.Minutes.
MaximizedAction wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Hmm. I just had a wild idea. If the conduit run was a hallucination before the beam, which many of us now believe it was, perhaps the reason Harbinger looks like any other capital ship is because Shepard's memory is just slapping that stupid smiley face onto his recollection of Sovereign's appearance.
That exact same thought just crossed my mind while looking at the comparison pics.
Can anyone spot Harbinger here?
michaelca wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
michaelca wrote...
There are a lot of problems with Indoctrination theory. That it is all speculative and that you have to force a lot of events to fit the theory is one problem. But the biggest issue with it is that it means the game has no ending; there is no resolution to the war with the Reapers and regardless what option Shepard chooses, either s/he died when hit by the laser or s/he is alive and lying in a pile of rubble. So what was the point of IT? If IT is saying that the events on the Citadel are real, but part of the Reapers' attempts to indoctrinate Shepard then the ending sucks just as bad as the ending without IT in the mix because ghost child (Reaper agent), and the choices given, and their resultant effects are still highly disconnected from the rest of the story.
With IT or without IT, the ending does not work because neither fits in line with the story that has been told for the past eight years and three games.
I went ahead and bolded everything in that statement that is false. The underlined I had problems understanding. Might want to fix that up. The fact is with IT, we are not forcing anything. It's already there. For now it has a ending. Shepard chooses and wakes up or not. I agree there is no resolution, but there will possibly be one in EC or it will set it up for a sequel. Also according to IT the events of the citadel happened in your mind. As well the alive/dead portion of being in the rubble depends on how much EMS you have. Too low and you don't survive the transition back to reality.
People have provided a long list of items that point to IT. The vast majority are either highly speculative outright forced to fit IT. There are only a few items that reasonablty point to a theory of IT. IT is not necessary to get into a liine-by-line debate about these items because it would only result in a lot of circular argument where people say it works or it is forced.
There are a couple theories of IT... one that it is ALL taking place in Shepard's mind. This is the worst of all possible endings. Because it means there is no resolution to the story. It might mean there is some tentative resolution to Shepard's story, but not to the larger picture. And if the "IT all in the head" theory is true it also means BioWare was setting up a resolution to the larger picture being completed in DLC or yet another game. A cheap cash grab. It would be a slap in the face to everyone involved. So this is an aweful solution.
The other theory of IT is that while Indoctrination is being attempted... it's been going on since Shepard first met Sovereign. That's ok and that is as it should be. Shepard is not immune to indoctination, and given Shepard's ability persevere, he is a prime targe for indoctrination. But it also means that the events on the Citadel are taking place in the real world, but influenced by the strongest, last ditch, desparate attempt by the Reaspers to indocstrinte Shepard. The scene with IM is IM acting as an agent of the Reapers, albeit possibly unknowingly. It also means the ghost child is a Reaper agent. But the choices presented, how they are presented, and the results of those choices are still highly disconnected from the rest of the story. It is very poorly presented and poorly implemented. It is only marginally better than the ending without IT. These idiot choices, as metaphors for succumbing to indoctrination or beating it, are still idiot choices poorly implemented.
If IT is not what was intended, and BioWare has already stated in no uncertain terms that IT is NOT what is happening, then the ending is badly done as it is completely disconnected from the rest of the story.
If IT is true then what BioWare has written makes plenty of sense and fits with the story already.
MaximizedAction wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Hmm. I just had a wild idea. If the conduit run was a hallucination before the beam, which many of us now believe it was, perhaps the reason Harbinger looks like any other capital ship is because Shepard's memory is just slapping that stupid smiley face onto his recollection of Sovereign's appearance.
That exact same thought just crossed my mind while looking at the comparison pics.
Can anyone spot Harbinger here?
Andromidius wrote...
estebanus wrote...
The only real good thing that happened today was that I finished MGS4, which again only got me thinking of the ME3 ending again, and how much they managed to f*ck up in 10.Goddamn.Minutes.
My friend keeps harping on how great that game was. I honestly have no idea, but does it have a stupid ending as well?
Because honestly, I think it would be nice to just get a 'normal' ending for a change. Would actually break the mold.
Dwailing wrote...
I can see him from behind, I think, at around the 2:13 mark.
Rifneno wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
SirLugash wrote...
Also, he had a very different appearance in ME2.
Comparison:
Bet it is just war paint. Who says a Reaper cant go to battle in style?
I don't know why people get worked up about it. Honestly I think he looks better in 3. The visual on the conduit run was incredible if you ask me. It was the first time I believe we've gotten Shepard close enough to a capital ship to appreciate the sheer immensity of it.
Andromidius wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
I can see him from behind, I think, at around the 2:13 mark.
I thought so too, but then I noticed the 5th leg. Not Harbinger
ZerebusPrime wrote...
Something else I gotta say. I do not understand the hate towards James Vega and Steve Cortez...
estebanus wrote...
Let's just say that MGS4's ending did everything right. It was emotional, it answered all questions, but most of all, it was one that was worthy of both Solid Snake and Big Boss.
I really can't see how you could have ended the game in a better way than that.
This got me thinking of how much the ME3 ending sucked, which just made me more depressed than I already was.
Andromidius wrote...
ZerebusPrime wrote...
Something else I gotta say. I do not understand the hate towards James Vega and Steve Cortez...
Agreed. I was hesitant at first, but they both grew on me. Especially Vega.
Doing my playthrough of ME3. I miss the neutral dialogue option, I've not seen a single one yet and I'm on Sur'kesh!
Andromidius wrote...
ZerebusPrime wrote...
Something else I gotta say. I do not understand the hate towards James Vega and Steve Cortez...
Agreed. I was hesitant at first, but they both grew on me. Especially Vega.
Doing my playthrough of ME3. I miss the neutral dialogue option, I've not seen a single one yet and I'm on Sur'kesh!
Dwailing wrote...Also, I know how you feel about missing the neutral dialogue. However, I understand why BW did that. Like they said, at this point, there's no feeling neutral about the Reapers.
Andromidius wrote...
estebanus wrote...
Let's just say that MGS4's ending did everything right. It was emotional, it answered all questions, but most of all, it was one that was worthy of both Solid Snake and Big Boss.
I really can't see how you could have ended the game in a better way than that.
This got me thinking of how much the ME3 ending sucked, which just made me more depressed than I already was.
Ah good. Considering playing it some time, though I'm assuming it would be best to start from an earlier game. And its probably all on Playstation, which I don't have. Sobble.
Don't you also question the fact there were a few Reapers nearby after Shep had picked? Yea they arrived later but still, alot would have been heading to the Conduit and would have arrived at the same time as Harbinger. Weird.Andromidius wrote...
...no....
And its weird how he's the only Reaper who lands anywhere nearby. Can't even see more landing in the distance, and at least a dozen Reapers (mostly Destroyers) break off back to Earth. Where else would they land if not the Conduit?
...so Shep waking up surrounded by a dozen Reapers, and Harbinger straddling directly overhead with a big grin on its face? Oh me oh my.
Dwailing wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
Rifneno wrote...
Hmm. I just had a wild idea. If the conduit run was a hallucination before the beam, which many of us now believe it was, perhaps the reason Harbinger looks like any other capital ship is because Shepard's memory is just slapping that stupid smiley face onto his recollection of Sovereign's appearance.
That exact same thought just crossed my mind while looking at the comparison pics.
Can anyone spot Harbinger here?
I can see him from behind, I think, at around the 2:13 mark.
I personally like his appearance in ME2 better, one reason being, as the supposed leader of the Reapers, he had a distict design, different from the others.Rifneno wrote...
I don't know why people get worked up about it. Honestly I think he looks better in 3. The visual on the conduit run was incredible if you ask me. It was the first time I believe we've gotten Shepard close enough to a capital ship to appreciate the sheer immensity of it.
Dwailing wrote...
Andromidius wrote...
ZerebusPrime wrote...
Something else I gotta say. I do not understand the hate towards James Vega and Steve Cortez...
Agreed. I was hesitant at first, but they both grew on me. Especially Vega.
Doing my playthrough of ME3. I miss the neutral dialogue option, I've not seen a single one yet and I'm on Sur'kesh!
Yeah, I like Vega and Cortez. They're good people. Also, I know how you feel about missing the neutral dialogue. However, I understand why BW did that. Like they said, at this point, there's no feeling neutral about the Reapers.
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