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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#26301
UrgedDuke

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did anyone notice that coats was with you in the mako and in the scene before you run to the beam, and yet he seems to be the one on the radio calling for the retreat even tho he should have made the run with you

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FellishBeast wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

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Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. I just had a wild idea. If the conduit run was a hallucination before the beam, which many of us now believe it was, perhaps the reason Harbinger looks like any other capital ship is because Shepard's memory is just slapping that stupid smiley face onto his recollection of Sovereign's appearance.


That exact same thought just crossed my mind while looking at the comparison pics.

Can anyone spot Harbinger here?


I can see him from behind, I think, at around the 2:13 mark.


I saw him clear as day at 2:00.


Yeah, I can't quite tell if it's him or not.

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Something else I gotta say. I do not understand the hate towards James Vega and Steve Cortez...


Agreed.  I was hesitant at first, but they both grew on me.  Especially Vega.

Doing my playthrough of ME3.  I miss the neutral dialogue option, I've not seen a single one yet and I'm on Sur'kesh! :(


I think the only one in the game is when talking to Liara about her time capsule.

I dont miss the neutral option. I never picked it in ME1 or ME2 anyways.


Did anyone ever notice that a lot of the time the neutral option gave you the same dialogue as one of the other two, usually the top/paragon option? At least in ME1. In ME2 I don't think I normally chose a neutral option exept for a few times where there were big moral implications looming and I didn't want to prejudge, like on Mordin's and Legion's loyalty missions. It's like they were letting you reserve judgement until you got to the end of the mission, and that was cool.

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Sire Styx wrote...

Sorry, I don't understand the thing about the reaper legs. Does Harbinger have 4 or 5?

From the small clip at the end of ME2 about 6 legs.

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estebanus wrote...

[...]

Yes, it's on playstation. Although, to be honest, you wouldn't understand the game at all without having played MGS 1,2 and 3, so I'd suggest getting the HD collection for that.

MGS3 is also awesome with an awesome ending.


Is MGS 1 actually part of the HD collection? I thought, I read differently.

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Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?

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schneeland wrote...

estebanus wrote...

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Yes, it's on playstation. Although, to be honest, you wouldn't understand the game at all without having played MGS 1,2 and 3, so I'd suggest getting the HD collection for that.

MGS3 is also awesome with an awesome ending.


Is MGS 1 actually part of the HD collection? I thought, I read differently.



Nope it isn't, but you can buy it on PSN.

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Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Uh, no, he doesn't.  If the Protheans had the ability to unfailingly detect indoctrination, they never would have been sabotaged by indoctrinated sleeper agents.  To put it quite bluntly, I'm getting sick of people bringing this up.  We've talked this point to death already.

Modifié par Dwailing, 23 juin 2012 - 10:56 .


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thisisme8 wrote...

Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?

Actully his statement regarding the empire getting taken down by agents seems to support it since the VI encountered on Thessia didn't notice an "in-progress" as opposed to a "full" indoctrinated person.

Modifié par HyperGlass, 23 juin 2012 - 10:56 .


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Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Not really.

If you meet certain requirements during one convo with him he'll even say he can sense you're lying when you say your main goal is to destroy the Reapers.

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estebanus wrote...

schneeland wrote...

estebanus wrote...

[...]

Yes, it's on playstation. Although, to be honest, you wouldn't understand the game at all without having played MGS 1,2 and 3, so I'd suggest getting the HD collection for that.

MGS3 is also awesome with an awesome ending.


Is MGS 1 actually part of the HD collection? I thought, I read differently.



Nope it isn't, but you can buy it on PSN.


Ok. Thanks. I guess I have to add that the list of "things to do and buy after my PhD" - I was planning to get a PS3 anyway for the ICO & Shadow of the Colossus HD Remake (and hopefully Last Guardian).

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FellishBeast wrote...

I saw him clear as day at 2:00.


The center camera one?  You briefly see the 5th limb as the camera pans around.  Its just well hidden by the textures.

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byne wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Not really.

If you meet certain requirements during one convo with him he'll even say he can sense you're lying when you say your main goal is to destroy the Reapers.


Um what?

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FellishBeast wrote...

byne wrote...

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Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Not really.

If you meet certain requirements during one convo with him he'll even say he can sense you're lying when you say your main goal is to destroy the Reapers.


Um what?


If you're mostly paragon and pick a certain renegade option in one conversation, Shepard will say "The goal of everyone on this ship is to destroy the Reapers, no matter what." and Javik responds with "Lying leaves a physiological mark. I can tell you're lying" or some such.

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FellishBeast wrote...

byne wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Not really.

If you meet certain requirements during one convo with him he'll even say he can sense you're lying when you say your main goal is to destroy the Reapers.


Um what?


Saving the Collector Base maybe?  I'm not sure.

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byne wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Not really.

If you meet certain requirements during one convo with him he'll even say he can sense you're lying when you say your main goal is to destroy the Reapers.


Not really as in you haven't considered it?  His presence alone negates it.

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schneeland wrote...

estebanus wrote...

schneeland wrote...

estebanus wrote...

[...]

Yes, it's on playstation. Although, to be honest, you wouldn't understand the game at all without having played MGS 1,2 and 3, so I'd suggest getting the HD collection for that.

MGS3 is also awesome with an awesome ending.


Is MGS 1 actually part of the HD collection? I thought, I read differently.



Nope it isn't, but you can buy it on PSN.


Ok. Thanks. I guess I have to add that the list of "things to do and buy after my PhD" - I was planning to get a PS3 anyway for the ICO & Shadow of the Colossus HD Remake (and hopefully Last Guardian).



Also, the HD collection doesn't have MGS4. It has MGS2, MGS3, and MGS Peacewalker.

You'll have to buy MGS4 seperately, but trust me: It's worth it.

Although, after playing all those other games and then playing MGS4... Prepare to cry. A lot.

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thisisme8 wrote...

byne wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Not really.

If you meet certain requirements during one convo with him he'll even say he can sense you're lying when you say your main goal is to destroy the Reapers.


Not really as in you haven't considered it?  His presence alone negates it.


Not really as in no his presence doesnt negate it. If it did, protheans would never have been infiltrated by indoctrinated agents, yet we know they were.

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HyperGlass wrote...

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Sorry, I don't understand the thing about the reaper legs. Does Harbinger have 4 or 5?

From the small clip at the end of ME2 about 6 legs.


Oops,  I was totally wrong about the leg count lol.

I think I understand, all reapers have an extra leg, apart from harbinger?

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thisisme8 wrote...

byne wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Not really.

If you meet certain requirements during one convo with him he'll even say he can sense you're lying when you say your main goal is to destroy the Reapers.


Not really as in you haven't considered it?  His presence alone negates it.


If you want to troll, go elsewhere.

If you want to discuss, back up your claims rather than leaving one ambiguous sentence at a time.

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byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

byne wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Not really.

If you meet certain requirements during one convo with him he'll even say he can sense you're lying when you say your main goal is to destroy the Reapers.


Um what?


If you're mostly paragon and pick a certain renegade option in one conversation, Shepard will say "The goal of everyone on this ship is to destroy the Reapers, no matter what." and Javik responds with "Lying leaves a physiological mark. I can tell you're lying" or some such.


Oh, that sounds like someone on your ship is not committed? Or indoctrinated? I'm still betting (and hoping) on Vega.

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Dwailing wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Something else I gotta say. I do not understand the hate towards James Vega and Steve Cortez...


Agreed.  I was hesitant at first, but they both grew on me.  Especially Vega.

Doing my playthrough of ME3.  I miss the neutral dialogue option, I've not seen a single one yet and I'm on Sur'kesh! :(


Yeah, I like Vega and Cortez.  They're good people.  Also, I know how you feel about missing the neutral dialogue.  However, I understand why BW did that.  Like they said, at this point, there's no feeling neutral about the Reapers.


A quick thought:
If we look at the ending like a big dialogue wheel, Synthesis, aka :wizard: is in the middle.
Conclusion,  Synthesis is being neutral about the reapers. Won't go into Destroy an Control being renegade or paragon, because we already know that they are in reaper logic... ^_^

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byne wrote...

Not really as in no his presence doesnt negate it. If it did, protheans would never have been infiltrated by indoctrinated agents, yet we know they were.


Yep.  The fact Javik had to keep his own crew due to them being indoctrinated is actually proof in favour of IT.

And yeah, Capital Reapers have a 'middle leg' in place of their 'face'.  Destroyers don't.  Harbinger doesn't.

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FellishBeast wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

byne wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Not really.

If you meet certain requirements during one convo with him he'll even say he can sense you're lying when you say your main goal is to destroy the Reapers.


Not really as in you haven't considered it?  His presence alone negates it.


If you want to troll, go elsewhere.

If you want to discuss, back up your claims rather than leaving one ambiguous sentence at a time.


It must be fun being a literalist. They can just drop one sentence and expect to be taken seriously.

Imagine if we just went around saying 'Have you considered godchild disproves literalism?' without even giving any explanation as to why.

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FellishBeast wrote...

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

byne wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Has anyone considered that Javik negates the Indoctrination theory?


Not really.

If you meet certain requirements during one convo with him he'll even say he can sense you're lying when you say your main goal is to destroy the Reapers.


Um what?


If you're mostly paragon and pick a certain renegade option in one conversation, Shepard will say "The goal of everyone on this ship is to destroy the Reapers, no matter what." and Javik responds with "Lying leaves a physiological mark. I can tell you're lying" or some such.


Oh, that sounds like someone on your ship is not committed? Or indoctrinated? I'm still betting (and hoping) on Vega.


If you're mostly renegade when you say that, he says he senses no deception from you or something, so it seems obvious (at least to me) that he is referring solely to Shepard.