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[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

From now on I'm just going to respond to the VI topic with this:
*snip*

I see your Javik meme and raise you a Y U NO meme.

[schneeland]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Alyssa[/b]
‏@YouCanCallMeAly

@gamblemike you've got three days and if you don't meet the promises you made pre-release, the deal is of


‏@GambleMike
@YouCanCallMeAly Do you think the team gave up their last 4 weekends so they can listen to statements like that?


So uhhh....why the rush in the last 4 weeks?? They have had 4 months. Also they must have worked really hard on this and I'm sure it'll hurt them if people hate the EC. Have a little sympathy people...they worked really hard on this.

I guess, they have been in crunch mode for quite a while (EA is kind of famous for its poor working conditions) - so I have some sympathy for the ordinary developers. If things go wrong like they have with ME3, it is very likely that (very) bad management decisions have been made well in advance.

[Rifneno]

thisisme8 wrote...

But instead of logic and reasoning, all I see in most IT arguments are logical fallacies.

Re the post about protheans detecting indoctrination, you are right, it isn't perfect - but much like Javik learning to communicate with Shep, once confronted with an indoctrinated being, he would be able to sense them.  The imperfection is that each pothean would have to be confronted by an indoctrinated being to be able to sense them thereafter.  Saying the VI couldn't sense it in Shep just because it doesn't conform to your theory is actually illogical, which is interesting since you seem to hold logic as the most important part of your arguments.

Javik could detect indoctrination well.  That's why he didn't realize his crew was being indoctrinated until he had to shoot them.

You should change your avatar to starchild.  You make as much sense.

[TJBartlemus]

thisisme8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

It does frankly annoy me that people make a statement and don't back it up with logic/ reasoning. If you are going to make a point, have some proof!!

But instead of logic and reasoning, all I see in most IT arguments are logical fallacies.

Re the post about protheans detecting indoctrination, you are right, it isn't perfect - but much like Javik learning to communicate with Shep, once confronted with an indoctrinated being, he would be able to sense them.  The imperfection is that each pothean would have to be confronted by an indoctrinated being to be able to sense them thereafter.  Saying the VI couldn't sense it in Shep just because it doesn't conform to your theory is actually illogical, which is interesting since you seem to hold logic as the most important part of your arguments.

Let's get this cleared up cause I think you are having a problem with this...Shepard the entire game isn't indoctrinated until he makes his choice at the end. At the end it is where he either gives up his mind to the Reapers or he fights back. Control=become Reaper. Synthesis=everyone becomes Reapers. (This is proven because in Synthesis everyone become's part synthetic part organic. The Reaper's are already this.) So as you admit the VI or the Prothean wouldn't detect Shepard as indoctrinated cause they can only detect if he is or not. And since Shepard so far doesn't see either at the end they can't see if he is after the choice.

[thisisme8]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Let's get this cleared up cause I think you are having a problem with this...Shepard the entire game isn't indoctrinated until he makes his choice at the end. At the end it is where he either gives up his mind to the Reapers or he fights back. Control=become Reaper. Synthesis=everyone becomes Reapers. (This is proven because in Synthesis everyone become's part synthetic part organic. The Reaper's are already this.) So as you admit the VI or the Prothean wouldn't detect Shepard as indoctrinated cause they can only detect if he is or not. And since Shepard so far doesn't see either at the end they can't see if he is after the choice.

Logical Fallacy.

[estebanus]

Peytl wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Peytl wrote...

If you think BW will directly tell you your theory is totally off base, you can't be more mistaken. You're clutching straws and you must know it.

You're being a f*ckin' douche and you're probably too proud and deluded to realize it.

I luv u too. Anything more?

Cookies. They taste good. Especially chocolate chip cookies. Agree?

Also,cardboard boxes. Got any?

And let's not forget fries. They go great with fried fish, and with burgers.

[DoomsdayDevice]

This one will always believe in IT, no matter what Tuesday will bring.

Holding the line. =P

[GethPrimeMKII]

Trolls seem to be out in full force again today.

Modifié par GethPrimeMKII, 24 juin 2012 - 12:02 .

[Andromidius]

thisisme8 wrote...

Logical Fallacy.

Bye, not replying to you anymore.  You're blatantly a troll.  Hope you have fun.

[thisisme8]

Andromidius wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Logical Fallacy.

Bye, not replying to you anymore.  You're blatantly a troll.  Hope you have fun.

How is that a troll?  I simply stated that his "proof" is a logical fallacy.  Should I follow that statement by giving you a definition?  OK.

Logical Fallacy: A false or erroneous statement or an invalid or deceptive line of reasoning.

Synthesis means you become a reaper - proof because reapers are part synthetic and part biological.
Do I need to continue?

Modifié par thisisme8, 24 juin 2012 - 12:06 .

[Domanese]

thisisme8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

It does frankly annoy me that people make a statement and don't back it up with logic/ reasoning. If you are going to make a point, have some proof!!

But instead of logic and reasoning, all I see in most IT arguments are logical fallacies.

Re the post about protheans detecting indoctrination, you are right, it isn't perfect - but much like Javik learning to communicate with Shep, once confronted with an indoctrinated being, he would be able to sense them.  The imperfection is that each pothean would have to be confronted by an indoctrinated being to be able to sense them thereafter.  Saying the VI couldn't sense it in Shep just because it doesn't conform to your theory is actually illogical, which is interesting since you seem to hold logic as the most important part of your arguments.

And the most I have seen from you is you ignoring some of what others have put up to counter your seeminingly infallable logic. Allow me to make a rebuttal. Reaper Indoctrination has infrasonic noise within it's procedures and we ave found infrasonic noise during the dream sequences, the hallucinations and during priority earth. 

For proof I give you this. Copy the link below and have a look. 



Second of all the VI has been debunked by us months ago. The fact that the Protehans had a VI that could detect Indoctrinated subjects yet somehow got taken down by indoctrinated sleeper agents, proves that the VI's detection skills are not full proof. Javik has comfirmed this several times over in game. I think a Protheans word is a lot better then say a VI. 

In short they can only detect indoctrination in fully indoctrinated individuals and not sleeper agents aka people whom are still fighting off the effects of indoctrination. Which as I recall is Shepard at this state technically. He hasn't fully given in whilst Kai Leng certainly has.

And don't you try and dismiss it as a logical fallacy because I know it isn't, I want you to prove this wrong with actual proof. And if you cannot do that then you my friend have better find some.

Modifié par Domanese, 24 juin 2012 - 12:10 .

[GethPrimeMKII]

thisisme8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Let's get this cleared up cause I think you are having a problem with this...Shepard the entire game isn't indoctrinated until he makes his choice at the end. At the end it is where he either gives up his mind to the Reapers or he fights back. Control=become Reaper. Synthesis=everyone becomes Reapers. (This is proven because in Synthesis everyone become's part synthetic part organic. The Reaper's are already this.) So as you admit the VI or the Prothean wouldn't detect Shepard as indoctrinated cause they can only detect if he is or not. And since Shepard so far doesn't see either at the end they can't see if he is after the choice.

Logical Fallacy.

I feel this is well placed.

[Rifneno]

thisisme8 wrote...

How is that a troll?  I simply stated that his "proof" is a logical fallacy.  Should I follow that statement by giving you a definition?  OK.

Logical Fallacy: A falso or erroneous statement or an invalid or deceptive line of reasoning.

Synthesis means you become a reaper - proof because reapers are part synthetic and part biological.
Do I need to continue?

Actually you're right.

Because control is the ones that turns you into a Reaper.  So sayth the game's code:
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDestroyed,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthDevastated,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOk,
EGO_ReapersDestroyedEarthOkShepardAlive,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthDestroyedAndReapersLeave,
EGO_BecomeAReaperAndEarthOkAndReapersLeave,
EGO_HarmonyOfManAndMachine,

[Tigerman123]

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Why are there still arguments over this?

[FellishBeast]

I found this cool video if anyone's interesting. It's of someone using a flycam during the ending of ME3.

Edit: I realize my mistake, but am not changing it. 

Modifié par FellishBeast, 24 juin 2012 - 12:14 .

[Andromidius]

Tigerman123 wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Why are there still arguments over this?

Because people don't understand what they are arguing against.  IT doesn't change the ending, it merely clarifies what happened. 

Simple to understand, or do I need to repeat this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?

[thisisme8]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Let's get this cleared up cause I think you are having a problem with this...Shepard the entire game isn't indoctrinated until he makes his choice at the end. At the end it is where he either gives up his mind to the Reapers or he fights back. Control=become Reaper. Synthesis=everyone becomes Reapers. (This is proven because in Synthesis everyone become's part synthetic part organic. The Reaper's are already this.) So as you admit the VI or the Prothean wouldn't detect Shepard as indoctrinated cause they can only detect if he is or not. And since Shepard so far doesn't see either at the end they can't see if he is after the choice.

Logical Fallacy.

I feel this is well placed.

Narcissism at its finest.

[Rifneno]

thisisme8 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...



I feel this is well placed.

Narcissism at its finest.

GethPrimeMKII is sexually attracted to him or herself?  How did you get that out of that pic?

Oh, right, you didn't know what that word meant but heard it in conversation and assumed it meant egotistical.  Boy, Shepard does need smarter fans!

[Daryslash]

So, people still think Shepard is completely immune to indoctrination? People really think, after all the time through the 3 games, Shepard isn't feeling the slightest effect of indoctrination? Even after 4 or 5 BLASTS of a Reaper Artifact who was CLEARLY trying to control him by brute force (you can see that with the artifact itself talking)? And then spending almost TWO DAYS sleeping near this artifact?

Can people really be this naive?

[estebanus]

Rifneno wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...



I feel this is well placed.

Narcissism at its finest.

GethPrimeMKII is sexually attracted to him or herself?  How did you get that out of that pic?

Oh, right, you didn't know what that word meant but heard it in conversation and assumed it meant egotistical.  Boy, Shepard does need smarter fans!

Hmmm... Sounds like those idiots who try apllying Occam's razor to a literary discussion, or those who mindlessly throw around the Kübler-Ross model...

[Dwailing]

Rifneno wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...



I feel this is well placed.

Narcissism at its finest.

GethPrimeMKII is sexually attracted to him or herself?  How did you get that out of that pic?

Oh, right, you didn't know what that word meant but heard it in conversation and assumed it meant egotistical.  Boy, Shepard does need smarter fans!

Technically, it does mean vanity or excessive self love.

[Fingertrip]

Daryslash wrote...

So, people still think Shepard is completely immune to indoctrination? People really think, after all the time through the 3 games, Shepard isn't feeling the slightest effect of indoctrination? Even after 4 or 5 BLASTS of a Reaper Artifact who was CLEARLY trying to control him by brute force (you can see that with the artifact itself talking)? And then spending almost TWO DAYS sleeping near this artifact?

Can people really be this naive?

Yes.

Yes, they can.:innocent:

[Rifneno]

estebanus wrote...

Hmmm... Sounds like those idiots who try apllying Occam's razor to a literary discussion, or those who mindlessly throw around the Kübler-Ross model...

The latter group makes me want to pick control, become a Reaper, and omnimurder them.

[Andromidius]

Daryslash wrote...

So, people still think Shepard is completely immune to indoctrination? People really think, after all the time through the 3 games, Shepard isn't feeling the slightest effect of indoctrination? Even after 4 or 5 BLASTS of a Reaper Artifact who was CLEARLY trying to control him by brute force (you can see that with the artifact itself talking)? And then spending almost TWO DAYS sleeping near this artifact?

Can people really be this naive?

They ignore it, and claim its non-canon.  Because there's NO counter argument to it.  Denial is the only defense.

[thisisme8]

Rifneno wrote...

GethPrimeMKII is sexually attracted to him or herself?  How did you get that out of that pic?

Oh, right, you didn't know what that word meant but heard it in conversation and assumed it meant egotistical.  Boy, Shepard does need smarter fans!

Maybe so.

Seeing as narcissism can be used to describe a cultural sub-group who believe they are the elite of the larger group, I used the sentence to imply that the poster of the image clearly thought him or herself (or his or her group) to be above the rest of us by mere association.

Edit:  what you describe as sexually attracted to him or herself is actually known as primary narcissism according to Freud's description of the word.

Modifié par thisisme8, 24 juin 2012 - 12:27 .