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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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senshi420

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Rifneno wrote...

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Hmmm... Sounds like those idiots who try apllying Occam's razor to a literary discussion, or those who mindlessly throw around the Kübler-Ross model...


The latter group makes me want to pick control, become a Reaper, and omnimurder them.


you have my sword.

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FellishBeast wrote...

I found this cool video if anyone's interesting. It's of someone using a flycam during the ending of ME3.

Edit: I realize my mistake, but am not changing it. :D


Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?

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senshi420 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hmmm... Sounds like those idiots who try apllying Occam's razor to a literary discussion, or those who mindlessly throw around the Kübler-Ross model...


The latter group makes me want to pick control, become a Reaper, and omnimurder them.


you have my sword.



And my axe.

#26404
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estebanus wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hmmm... Sounds like those idiots who try apllying Occam's razor to a literary discussion, or those who mindlessly throw around the Kübler-Ross model...


The latter group makes me want to pick control, become a Reaper, and omnimurder them.


you have my sword.



And my axe.


And my tentacles.

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Seeing as how this guy chooses to ignore my counter arguments and so forth clearly he has yielded to my logic or simply chooses to ignore me because he cannot argue it without claiming and misusing the term Logical Fallacy or outright denial.

Since thats all he seems capable of doing rather then providing proper counter arguments I accept victory by his forfeit since clearly he does not want a piece of me.

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Hey, you all remember Liggy002? well, he's being pretty ridiculous right now.
Here's a link if you want to check it out.

http://social.biowar...6879/4#12718472

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Domanese wrote...

Seeing as how this guy chooses to ignore my counter arguments and so forth clearly he has yielded to my logic or simply chooses to ignore me because he cannot argue it without claiming and misusing the term Logical Fallacy or outright denial.

Since thats all he seems capable of doing rather then providing proper counter arguments I accept victory by his forfeit since clearly he does not want a piece of me.


Your superior logic is clear.  Sorry, I was too busy posting about the plague of narcissism that seems to run rampant around these forums to catch your argument.  What were you asking again?  Let me scroll up and find it and I'll reply.

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Now, now. I don't think highly of us, I just think lowly of literalists. :)

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Rifneno

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Humakt83 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I found this cool video if anyone's interesting. It's of someone using a flycam during the ending of ME3.

Edit: I realize my mistake, but am not changing it. :D


Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?


Maybe but it's coincidence if so.  We eventually found out that those things are on the outside of the Citadel elevator shaft at the ending of ME1.  So if IT is true, the reason they're there at the end of 3 is because Shepard is reconstructing the area from his memories and he remembers those on the outside of the Citadel from 3 years prior.

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thisisme8 wrote...

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Let's get this cleared up cause I think you are having a problem with this...Shepard the entire game isn't indoctrinated until he makes his choice at the end. At the end it is where he either gives up his mind to the Reapers or he fights back. Control=become Reaper. Synthesis=everyone becomes Reapers. (This is proven because in Synthesis everyone become's part synthetic part organic. The Reaper's are already this.) So as you admit the VI or the Prothean wouldn't detect Shepard as indoctrinated cause they can only detect if he is or not. And since Shepard so far doesn't see either at the end they can't see if he is after the choice.



Logical Fallacy.


How is this?? Please explain with logic. Synthesis is the melding of organic and synthetic. So how is my statement false? Also it has been proven that Reapers are both synthetic and organic. Thus the synthetic technology and needing of harvesting for organic goo.

Edit: Okay I admit that my statement about the becoming a Reaper specifically was incorrect. However you do become which the Reapers have been trying to do the entire time. A perfect meld between organics and synthetics. You might as well be a reaper cause you are essencially made of the same stuff as the Reapers at that point.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 24 juin 2012 - 12:47 .


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FellishBeast

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Rifneno wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I found this cool video if anyone's interesting. It's of someone using a flycam during the ending of ME3.

Edit: I realize my mistake, but am not changing it. :D


Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?


Maybe but it's coincidence if so.  We eventually found out that those things are on the outside of the Citadel elevator shaft at the ending of ME1.  So if IT is true, the reason they're there at the end of 3 is because Shepard is reconstructing the area from his memories and he remembers those on the outside of the Citadel from 3 years prior.


I also noticed 8M8 on doors (on the Normandy, I think) in ME3. I think it's just a thing. Idk. Doesn't explain why it's on the netherregions of the Citadel, though.

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The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.

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Seems appropriate.

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GethPrimeMKII

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thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.


That sound screams indoctrination. Refer to the codex entry on indoctrination.

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thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.


lol denial. Reapers use infrasonic noise in indoctrination. There is no reason for that noise to be in there because it won't play on conventional speakers. HENCE, it is just extra work for Bioware sound techs. Creating sounds none of us would ordinarily hear seems like a waste of time, money, and human resources.

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thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.


Comes to chat thread to share his "obviously superior" knowledge...<_<




calls others narcissist :wizard:

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did anyone ever figure out what 1M1 is about? So far, the convergence aspect of it fits pretty well...

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Rifneno wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?


Maybe but it's coincidence if so.  We eventually found out that those things are on the outside of the Citadel elevator shaft at the ending of ME1.  So if IT is true, the reason they're there at the end of 3 is because Shepard is reconstructing the area from his memories and he remembers those on the outside of the Citadel from 3 years prior.


I'm not talking about the letters, I'm talking about the structures they're attached to (the scene where Shepard ascends to meet Anderson). 



Hmm, actually not Turian cruiser but Alliance.

Modifié par Humakt83, 24 juin 2012 - 12:54 .


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so...why does what ITers think make literalists so mad again? why do they care? could an anti-ITer answer this question if asked of them?

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byne wrote...

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But Joker and EDI DO prove synthe....tics can have sex. <.<


It still strikes me as odd that TIM apparently built Eva's body to be anatomically correct.

He built an anatomically correct robot and named it after his dead friend.

TIM is a creepy little bastard.

What are you talking about?
The body that edi gets in mass effect 3 is not originaly edi's robot body.

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Humakt83 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I found this cool video if anyone's interesting. It's of someone using a flycam during the ending of ME3.

Edit: I realize my mistake, but am not changing it. :D


Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?


I don't kow about the 1M1, but I noticed that the "platform" in the middle of the confrontation room is not there before the actual confrontation.

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TJBartlemus

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monrapias wrote...

byne wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

But Joker and EDI DO prove synthe....tics can have sex. <.<


It still strikes me as odd that TIM apparently built Eva's body to be anatomically correct.

He built an anatomically correct robot and named it after his dead friend.

TIM is a creepy little bastard.

What are you talking about?
The body that edi gets in mass effect 3 is not originaly edi's robot body.


Oh, god....another one. :pinched: Ummm, yeah it is!!! Do you not remember the scene where she is in the core room and everyone thinks there's a fire? Well she goes on and explains that as she was taking over EVA's body, EVA started to fight the take over.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.


lol denial. Reapers use infrasonic noise in indoctrination. There is no reason for that noise to be in there because it won't play on conventional speakers. HENCE, it is just extra work for Bioware sound techs. Creating sounds none of us would ordinarily hear seems like a waste of time, money, and human resources.


It could just be a bug. Honestly even if the IT was true why would they put a clue that is so subtle that the average player wouldn't discover it without the necessary equipment to do so?

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FellishBeast wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I found this cool video if anyone's interesting. It's of someone using a flycam during the ending of ME3.

Edit: I realize my mistake, but am not changing it. :D


Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?


Maybe but it's coincidence if so.  We eventually found out that those things are on the outside of the Citadel elevator shaft at the ending of ME1.  So if IT is true, the reason they're there at the end of 3 is because Shepard is reconstructing the area from his memories and he remembers those on the outside of the Citadel from 3 years prior.


I also noticed 8M8 on doors (on the Normandy, I think) in ME3. I think it's just a thing. Idk. Doesn't explain why it's on the netherregions of the Citadel, though.


Not really because the letter on the Normandy could just be Alliance code or something.. 1M1 is in places that 'supposedly' no one has ever been before...

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Arashi08 wrote...

so...why does what ITers think make literalists so mad again? why do they care? could an anti-ITer answer this question if asked of them?


I know, I would just love to know why what we interpret in the game seems to ****** in their Cheerios.