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[thisisme8]

TJBartlemus wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Let's get this cleared up cause I think you are having a problem with this...Shepard the entire game isn't indoctrinated until he makes his choice at the end. At the end it is where he either gives up his mind to the Reapers or he fights back. Control=become Reaper. Synthesis=everyone becomes Reapers. (This is proven because in Synthesis everyone become's part synthetic part organic. The Reaper's are already this.) So as you admit the VI or the Prothean wouldn't detect Shepard as indoctrinated cause they can only detect if he is or not. And since Shepard so far doesn't see either at the end they can't see if he is after the choice.

Logical Fallacy.

How is this?? Please explain with logic. Synthesis is the melding of organic and synthetic. So how is my statement false? Also it has been proven that Reapers are both synthetic and organic. Thus the synthetic technology and needing of harvesting for organic goo.

Edit: Okay I admit that my statement about the becoming a Reaper specifically was incorrect. However you do become which the Reapers have been trying to do the entire time. A perfect meld between organics and synthetics. You might as well be a reaper cause you are essencially made of the same stuff as the Reapers at that point.

You become part synthetic and part organic, yes, but don't go so far as to say you might as well be a reaper.  As a matter of fact, the synthesis ending makes the reapers obsolete by its very nature.

Complete side note:  The reapers kept referring to the cycle as something beyond Shep's comprehension.  After finishing the game and understanding what the cycle is and what it is for, was the truth closer the being beyond the reaper's comprehension?

[BatmanTurian]

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.

lol denial. Reapers use infrasonic noise in indoctrination. There is no reason for that noise to be in there because it won't play on conventional speakers. HENCE, it is just extra work for Bioware sound techs. Creating sounds none of us would ordinarily hear seems like a waste of time, money, and human resources.

It could just be a bug. Honestly even if the IT was true why would they put a clue that is so subtle that the average player wouldn't discover it without the necessary equipment to do so?

Exactly... why would they put it in there? Do you have an answer at all?

[Humakt83]

Humakt83 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?

Maybe but it's coincidence if so.  We eventually found out that those things are on the outside of the Citadel elevator shaft at the ending of ME1.  So if IT is true, the reason they're there at the end of 3 is because Shepard is reconstructing the area from his memories and he remembers those on the outside of the Citadel from 3 years prior.

I'm not talking about the letters, I'm talking about the structures they're attached to (the scene where Shepard ascends to meet Anderson). 



Hmm, actually not Turian cruiser but Alliance.

Modifié par Humakt83, 24 juin 2012 - 12:57 .

[FellishBeast]

Dwailing wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I found this cool video if anyone's interesting. It's of someone using a flycam during the ending of ME3.

Edit: I realize my mistake, but am not changing it. 

Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?

I don't kow about the 1M1, but I noticed that the "platform" in the middle of the confrontation room is not there before the actual confrontation.

It raises when Shepard touches the console. Why?

.......................................................................................................................(these dots represent the extent of my not knowing.)

[Dwailing]

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.

lol denial. Reapers use infrasonic noise in indoctrination. There is no reason for that noise to be in there because it won't play on conventional speakers. HENCE, it is just extra work for Bioware sound techs. Creating sounds none of us would ordinarily hear seems like a waste of time, money, and human resources.

It could just be a bug. Honestly even if the IT was true why would they put a clue that is so subtle that the average player wouldn't discover it without the necessary equipment to do so?

Because they aren't necessarily placing clues for the AVERAGE player.  I don't want to sound arrogant, or anything, but it does seem like IT attracts a certain element that is extremely dedicated.

[TJBartlemus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Not really because the letter on the Normandy could just be Alliance code or something.. 1M1 is in places that 'supposedly' no one has ever been before...

Well if you have seen the Indoctrination Theory: A Documentary, he goes on about this. He also shows that the symbol was also in ME1 where you blow out the window to get out of the elevator onto the surface in the Citadel.

[Dwailing]

FellishBeast wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I found this cool video if anyone's interesting. It's of someone using a flycam during the ending of ME3.

Edit: I realize my mistake, but am not changing it. 

Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?

I don't kow about the 1M1, but I noticed that the "platform" in the middle of the confrontation room is not there before the actual confrontation.

It raises when Shepard touches the console. Why?

.......................................................................................................................(these dots represent the extent of my not knowing.)

I know that it raises after the console, but what I mean is that, before the scene, the platform section of the room isn't there at ALL.  It just seems a little weird to me.

Edit: The platform shows up once you get close to the confrontation chamber, but it still seems a little weird that they wouldn't load it earier.

Modifié par Dwailing, 24 juin 2012 - 01:02 .

[dreamgazer]

MegaSovereign wrote...

It could just be a bug. Honestly even if the IT was true why would they put a clue that is so subtle that the average player wouldn't discover it without the necessary equipment to do so?

Inaudible sounds can impact human physiology, so it would be a sensory addition---one that the Reapers themselves utilize.

[MegaSovereign]

Dwailing wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.

lol denial. Reapers use infrasonic noise in indoctrination. There is no reason for that noise to be in there because it won't play on conventional speakers. HENCE, it is just extra work for Bioware sound techs. Creating sounds none of us would ordinarily hear seems like a waste of time, money, and human resources.

It could just be a bug. Honestly even if the IT was true why would they put a clue that is so subtle that the average player wouldn't discover it without the necessary equipment to do so?

Because they aren't necessarily placing clues for the AVERAGE player.  I don't want to sound arrogant, or anything, but it does seem like IT attracts a certain element that is extremely dedicated.

That sounds oddly familiar.

The anti-IT pro-enders say the same thing. "You just don't understand the complexity of the ending."

[Auralius Carolus]

Humakt83 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?

Maybe but it's coincidence if so.  We eventually found out that those things are on the outside of the Citadel elevator shaft at the ending of ME1.  So if IT is true, the reason they're there at the end of 3 is because Shepard is reconstructing the area from his memories and he remembers those on the outside of the Citadel from 3 years prior.

I'm not talking about the letters, I'm talking about the structures they're attached to (the scene where Shepard ascends to meet Anderson). 



Hmm, actually not Turian cruiser but Alliance.

*walks in the door*

Hmm? Ah, yes. Those are the "prongs" of the mass accelerators. One would notice that virtually all things involving mass acceleration are shaped like Relays. One could argue that the lower prong or tube is an intake valve for air, (to prevent suction-based overpressuring in the chamber), but seeing as you can attach bayonets to the ones on shotguns *shrug*.

[thisisme8]

senshi420 wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.

Comes to chat thread to share his "obviously superior" knowledge...<_<




calls others narcissist 

I never stated, nor implied superior knowledge.  I came in for conversation because I don't think the IT is what actually happens at the end.  The narcissism bit was simply because as I shared a different view, I was bombarded by posts, like your own, that are attempts to be funny instead of discussion.

[BatmanTurian]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.

lol denial. Reapers use infrasonic noise in indoctrination. There is no reason for that noise to be in there because it won't play on conventional speakers. HENCE, it is just extra work for Bioware sound techs. Creating sounds none of us would ordinarily hear seems like a waste of time, money, and human resources.

It could just be a bug. Honestly even if the IT was true why would they put a clue that is so subtle that the average player wouldn't discover it without the necessary equipment to do so?

Because they aren't necessarily placing clues for the AVERAGE player.  I don't want to sound arrogant, or anything, but it does seem like IT attracts a certain element that is extremely dedicated.

That sounds oddly familiar.

The anti-IT pro-enders say the same thing. "You just don't understand the complexity of the ending."

That's really ironic since they take everything in the ending at face value like it's a Halo game.

[MegaSovereign]

dreamgazer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

It could just be a bug. Honestly even if the IT was true why would they put a clue that is so subtle that the average player wouldn't discover it without the necessary equipment to do so?

Inaudible sounds can impact human physiology, so it would be a sensory addition---one that the Reapers themselves utilize.

Um....isn't that sort of illegal for Bioware to do? Subliminal messaging through inaudible sounds? 

[BatmanTurian]

thisisme8 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.

Comes to chat thread to share his "obviously superior" knowledge...<_<




calls others narcissist 

I never stated, nor implied superior knowledge.  I came in for conversation because I don't think the IT is what actually happens at the end.  The narcissism bit was simply because as I shared a different view, I was bombarded by posts, like your own, that are attempts to be funny instead of discussion.

You came in with an arrogant, aggressive, condescending tone. That is not conversation, that is verbally attacking someone. Learn to communicate like a mature adult.

[Domanese]

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.

lol denial. Reapers use infrasonic noise in indoctrination. There is no reason for that noise to be in there because it won't play on conventional speakers. HENCE, it is just extra work for Bioware sound techs. Creating sounds none of us would ordinarily hear seems like a waste of time, money, and human resources.

It could just be a bug. Honestly even if the IT was true why would they put a clue that is so subtle that the average player wouldn't discover it without the necessary equipment to do so?

Basically its the trope "The Dev Team Thinks of Everything" Basically they didn't wish to half ass it so they added those noises to help add to the effect that we the player are Shepard rather then just playing as him. We have to experience that infrasonic stuff ourselves in order to get sucked into it. 

[BatmanTurian]

MegaSovereign wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

It could just be a bug. Honestly even if the IT was true why would they put a clue that is so subtle that the average player wouldn't discover it without the necessary equipment to do so?

Inaudible sounds can impact human physiology, so it would be a sensory addition---one that the Reapers themselves utilize.

Um....isn't that sort of illegal for Bioware to do? Subliminal messaging through inaudible sounds? 

It can't play on conventional speakers, so they can jump through that loophole.

[FellishBeast]

Dwailing wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I found this cool video if anyone's interesting. It's of someone using a flycam during the ending of ME3.

Edit: I realize my mistake, but am not changing it. 

Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?

I don't kow about the 1M1, but I noticed that the "platform" in the middle of the confrontation room is not there before the actual confrontation.

It raises when Shepard touches the console. Why?

.......................................................................................................................(these dots represent the extent of my not knowing.)

I know that it raises after the console, but what I mean is that, before the scene, the platform section of the room isn't there at ALL.  It just seems a little weird to me.

Edit: The platform shows up once you get close to the confrontation chamber, but it still seems a little weird that they wouldn't load it earier.

Idk, but I just watched a video from the same guy that shows the Normandy crash planet scene is in the same area as the Crucible at the end. You can see reflections of the trees from a certain angle on the Crucible...

Some of the stuff is just weird, like Marauder Shields not spawning until right before he comes out and such.

The only explanation I can see for that weird circle is that Anderson came in that way. It's doubtful, though. The more I listen to the dialogue in that scene, the more I realize it can't be real. None of it makes sense. Anderson sounds like Shepard's imaginary friend, saying the things Shep is thinking, i.e. "this looks like the Collector Base." Even if Shepard "described" it, there is really no way Anderson would think of that. Then the whole "the halls are shifting" or w.e. It just sounds surreal. Or like they're in a virtual reality room that is adjusting, lol.

[Arashi08]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

so...why does what ITers think make literalists so mad again? why do they care? could an anti-ITer answer this question if asked of them?

I know, I would just love to know why what we interpret in the game seems to ****** in their Cheerios.

Because it is different from what they think, therefore it is a threat to their perspective, and so they must destroy it!

and lo and behold the cycle of ignorance

[MegaSovereign]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.

lol denial. Reapers use infrasonic noise in indoctrination. There is no reason for that noise to be in there because it won't play on conventional speakers. HENCE, it is just extra work for Bioware sound techs. Creating sounds none of us would ordinarily hear seems like a waste of time, money, and human resources.

It could just be a bug. Honestly even if the IT was true why would they put a clue that is so subtle that the average player wouldn't discover it without the necessary equipment to do so?

Because they aren't necessarily placing clues for the AVERAGE player.  I don't want to sound arrogant, or anything, but it does seem like IT attracts a certain element that is extremely dedicated.

That sounds oddly familiar.

The anti-IT pro-enders say the same thing. "You just don't understand the complexity of the ending."

That's really ironic since they take everything in the ending at face value like it's a Halo game.

Well yes and no. They just interpret it differently.

To be fair, the pro-Synthesis compendium thread proves that some of the literal interpretations of the ending are just as complex as the IT if not more.

[dreamgazer]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Um....isn't that sort of illegal for Bioware to do? Subliminal messaging through inaudible sounds? 

Considering that it would be a sensory effect without a direct message, I don't believe it would. But I'm not up to speed on my subliminal message laws.

[Auralius Carolus]

[BatmanTurian]

Arashi08 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

so...why does what ITers think make literalists so mad again? why do they care? could an anti-ITer answer this question if asked of them?

I know, I would just love to know why what we interpret in the game seems to ****** in their Cheerios.

Because it is different from what they think, therefore it is a threat to their perspective, and so they must destroy it!

and lo and behold the cycle of ignorance

Wow. Isn't that what creationists think about believers of evolution?

Why, yes it is....

[FellishBeast]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Learn to communicate like a mature adult.

Even if you aren't one.

[TJBartlemus]

thisisme8 wrote...

I never stated, nor implied superior knowledge.  I came in for conversation because I don't think the IT is what actually happens at the end.  The narcissism bit was simply because as I shared a different view, I was bombarded by posts, like your own, that are attempts to be funny instead of discussion.

I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion...and I love debate when it can be intellectual. So on that point I thank you. But to just enter in on a thread and say that everyone is wrong will get a lot of negative feedback. Also just saying "Logical Fallacy" without explaination just screams "TROLL!!!!" to most of us who have come to experiance a lot of in the last couple days.

[FellishBeast]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

so...why does what ITers think make literalists so mad again? why do they care? could an anti-ITer answer this question if asked of them?

I know, I would just love to know why what we interpret in the game seems to ****** in their Cheerios.

Because it is different from what they think, therefore it is a threat to their perspective, and so they must destroy it!

and lo and behold the cycle of ignorance

Wow. Isn't that what creationists think about believers of evolution?

Why, yes it is....

And vice versa, I might add.