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[MegaSovereign]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding on to my last post:

Controlling the Reapers is an unethical means to win the war. But the series is plagued with examples of how this is not necessarily a bad thing. A big one is how Mordin used Maelon's data to extract a cure to the genophage, despite the fact that the cure had unethical means.

After playing through Horizon, the idea of control being a viable option became clear. There are so many parallels between Horizon and Maelon's data that it's crazy.

Soooo.... then control is actually Renagade.

Could be viewed that way. It's the practical/unethical approach. Kind of like keeping the Collector base.

[llbountyhunter]

OdanUrr wrote...

It would go a long way if someone included a FAQ on IT in the OP.

Well i got so tired of answerig those questions i made one, and now i just direct them to the first link in my signature...

[Domanese]

thisisme8 wrote...

The inaudible sound is actually a really interesting point and an intelligent addition by BioWare. Theoretical? Yes. Proof of indoctrination? No. Then again, gravity is only a theory, so take what I just said how you will.

Rifneno: Even as you jest, just by using the word "us," you imply that you do.

Okay and now back to you and I apperciate the time given to answer me back. Basically gravity and for my own example music is invisible but you can still experience it/ hear it.  Infrasonic noise you can of course not hear but you can still of course detect it with the right equipment. You have however acknowledged it of course and I applaude that.

To me it does stand out as incredibly needless work if Indoctrination was not what they were going for and probably one of the cruelest red herrings possible if that was what put into the game. Which to me is outside the realm of possibility.

I will however yield to something here and now, it's true that the IT is just a theory at the moment since until theres flat out confirmation or denial by the Word of God its up in the air but the amount of evidence to support it is more vast then what I have seen from the literalist point of view and makes more sense to me.

As for the whole "only clairfying and adding on to the current endings", the IT does not change the ending but works alongside it giving clairification and adding onto the current endings at its core. We also have seen some people actually write out scenarios in how the IT would work without extra gameplay.

I realize that  I will not change your mind and such and thats not my intention since its not possible. What i can do is provide you with why we think the way we do.

[BatmanTurian]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Do I need to do this in all caps?  Fine.  WE DO NOT COME TO YOUR THREADS TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE NUTS!!!!  WE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE OF THE SAME COURTESY IN RETURN!!!!   

Not true. Lots of you guys did that in the last weeks on a regular basis, setting trap-threads and bullying in group.

Don't act like you guys are victims. Please. Plus leafs was the one primarily doing it, not us.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 juin 2012 - 01:41 .

[Dwailing]

thisisme8 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

No. No. No. To choose synthesis is to AGREE with the reapers. To support their ultimate goal. In no way are you making the reapers osolete. The reapers already believe themselves to be the pinnacle of evolution which means they would most favor an indoctrinated Shepard supporting the idea of synthesis. 

Ok, so to be clear, I view the reapers as a seperate entity from the actual creator of "the cycle."  So synthesis would make the reapers obsolete because it ends the cycle, which would mean that the reapers (tools of the cycle) are no longer needed.

To believe that requires one to believe that Star-Brat is actually the creator of the cycle rather than some little, crap filled Reaper punk.  That's something I refuse to believe.

Where does it state that the Catalyst created himself or the cycle?  <---Entirely non-rhetorical.  If someone created him, then yes, he would be like a reaper.  But that would mean that there was someone (or even a group of beings), at some point, that created the Catalyst and the reapers to fulfill a role that became obsolete once the cycle was over.

May I point you towards Arian Dynas's theory on the origins of the Reapers?  Even if you don't agree with IT (Which it's pretty clear you don't.), it's an interesting read.http://social.biowar...32/467#12424784 

[masster blaster]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Do I need to do this in all caps?  Fine.  WE DO NOT COME TO YOUR THREADS TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE NUTS!!!!  WE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE OF THE SAME COURTESY IN RETURN!!!!   

Not true. Lots of you guys did that in the last weeks on a regular basis, setting trap-threads and bullying in group.

Look for the love of all Medabots can the both of you stop. You can either fall in line or fall by my heel but as long as you both are on this tread you will obey the law!

got that from Shepard telling Tail and Legion to get along or else.:happy:

[OdanUrr]

thisisme8 wrote...

Where does it state that the Catalyst created himself or the cycle?  <---Entirely non-rhetorical.  If someone created him, then yes, he would be like a reaper.  But that would mean that there was someone (or even a group of beings), at some point, that created the Catalyst and the reapers to fulfill a role that became obsolete once the cycle was over.

Propaganda time:

http://social.biowar.../index/11405288

You may continue.

[BatmanTurian]

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding on to my last post:

Controlling the Reapers is an unethical means to win the war. But the series is plagued with examples of how this is not necessarily a bad thing. A big one is how Mordin used Maelon's data to extract a cure to the genophage, despite the fact that the cure had unethical means.

After playing through Horizon, the idea of control being a viable option became clear. There are so many parallels between Horizon and Maelon's data that it's crazy.

Soooo.... then control is actually Renagade.

Could be viewed that way. It's the practical/unethical approach. Kind of like keeping the Collector base.

unethical isn't necessarily practical.

[Dwailing]

masster blaster wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Do I need to do this in all caps?  Fine.  WE DO NOT COME TO YOUR THREADS TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE NUTS!!!!  WE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE OF THE SAME COURTESY IN RETURN!!!!   

Not true. Lots of you guys did that in the last weeks on a regular basis, setting trap-threads and bullying in group.

Look for the love of all Medabots can the both of you stop. You can either fall in line or fall by my heel but as long as you both are on this tread you will obey the law!

got that from Shepard telling Tail and Legion to get along or else.:happy:

Yeah, I'm calm now.  I just had some stuff I needed to get off my chest.

[Emiya_Archer]

Hi everyone, been a lurker since page 2 of the original thread, back when it was only named as "Was the Ending a Hallucination?" and byne had the feeling that everything after Harby's beam was either a lsd trip or a dream, and only later someone thought about indoctrination.

After the beam i instantly thought it was a dream, then Shepard woke up at the citadel and got the impression that maybe it really was happening, he fainted and i was all like "He's gonna wake up now he he!".
 
But instead i got  bull****, couldn't believe myself and after the three paths opened started walking towards destroy, stopped to consider synthesis because it sounded a bit like what Adam Jensen was, then started looking for a fourth option.

Gave up and closed the game, searched the net and saw the rgb endings, breath scene and the stargazer & IGN chart, then went here and found the thread and i was sold by IT.

Couldn't post because i was using a copy that i got from a friend. So i finally got a new ME3 CE copy  for less 10€ than the original price and now i can support IT!

[Humakt83]

Humakt83 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Do those things with 1M1 look a little like the heads of Turian cruisers?

Maybe but it's coincidence if so.  We eventually found out that those things are on the outside of the Citadel elevator shaft at the ending of ME1.  So if IT is true, the reason they're there at the end of 3 is because Shepard is reconstructing the area from his memories and he remembers those on the outside of the Citadel from 3 years prior.

I'm not talking about the letters, I'm talking about the structures they're attached to (the scene where Shepard ascends to meet Anderson). 



Hmm, actually not Turian cruiser but Alliance.

I think resemblance is striking:

[llbountyhunter]

Dwailing wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Do I need to do this in all caps?  Fine.  WE DO NOT COME TO YOUR THREADS TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE NUTS!!!!  WE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE OF THE SAME COURTESY IN RETURN!!!!   

Not true. Lots of you guys did that in the last weeks on a regular basis, setting trap-threads and bullying in group.

Trap-threads?  Wait, could you give me an example of these "trap-threads"?

Also, if by "trap-threads" you mean threads that are meant to be places of discussion about IT that other people came to for no other reason than to start arguing, then I don't think you can use that as an excuse.

Just throwing the title of a thread i remember posting at...

"The indotrination theory is a weak minded delusion"

[BatmanTurian]

Emiya_Archer wrote...

Hi everyone, been a lurker since page 2 of the original thread, back when it was only named as "Was the Ending a Hallucination?" and byne had the feeling that everything after Harby's beam was either a lsd trip or a dream, and only later someone thought about indoctrination.

After the beam i instantly thought it was a dream, then Shepard woke up at the citadel and got the impression that maybe it really was happening, he fainted and i was all like "He's gonna wake up now he he!".
 
But instead i got  bull****, couldn't believe myself and after the three paths opened started walking towards destroy, stopped to consider synthesis because it sounded a bit like what Adam Jensen was, then started looking for a fourth option.

Gave up and closed the game, searched the net and saw the rgb endings, breath scene and the stargazer & IGN chart, then went here and found the thread and i was sold by IT.

Couldn't post because i was using a copy that i got from a friend. So i finally got a new ME3 CE copy  for less 10€ than the original price and now i can support IT!

Well, welcome to the party. Better late than never.

[Dwailing]

Emiya_Archer wrote...

Hi everyone, been a lurker since page 2 of the original thread, back when it was only named as "Was the Ending a Hallucination?" and byne had the feeling that everything after Harby's beam was either a lsd trip or a dream, and only later someone thought about indoctrination.

After the beam i instantly thought it was a dream, then Shepard woke up at the citadel and got the impression that maybe it really was happening, he fainted and i was all like "He's gonna wake up now he he!".
 
But instead i got  bull****, couldn't believe myself and after the three paths opened started walking towards destroy, stopped to consider synthesis because it sounded a bit like what Adam Jensen was, then started looking for a fourth option.

Gave up and closed the game, searched the net and saw the rgb endings, breath scene and the stargazer & IGN chart, then went here and found the thread and i was sold by IT.

Couldn't post because i was using a copy that i got from a friend. So i finally got a new ME3 CE copy  for less 10€ than the original price and now i can support IT!

Yes!  Another lurker has joined us!  We love it when you guys are able to start posting with us.  Hopefully, you'll have fun speculating (And talking about random stuff when it becomes a slow day.) on this thread, and I hope you'll leave with some good memories.

[Dwailing]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Do I need to do this in all caps?  Fine.  WE DO NOT COME TO YOUR THREADS TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE NUTS!!!!  WE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE OF THE SAME COURTESY IN RETURN!!!!   

Not true. Lots of you guys did that in the last weeks on a regular basis, setting trap-threads and bullying in group.

Trap-threads?  Wait, could you give me an example of these "trap-threads"?

Also, if by "trap-threads" you mean threads that are meant to be places of discussion about IT that other people came to for no other reason than to start arguing, then I don't think you can use that as an excuse.

Just throwing the title of a thread i remember posting at...

"The indotrination theory is a weak minded delusion"

Yeah, like BatmanTurian said, "Don't act like you guys are victims."

Modifié par Dwailing, 24 juin 2012 - 01:47 .

[OdanUrr]

Emiya_Archer wrote...

But instead i got  bull****, couldn't believe myself and after the three paths opened started walking towards destroy, stopped to consider synthesis because it sounded a bit like what Adam Jensen was, then started looking for a fourth option.

[BatmanTurian]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Do I need to do this in all caps?  Fine.  WE DO NOT COME TO YOUR THREADS TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE NUTS!!!!  WE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE OF THE SAME COURTESY IN RETURN!!!!   

Not true. Lots of you guys did that in the last weeks on a regular basis, setting trap-threads and bullying in group.

Trap-threads?  Wait, could you give me an example of these "trap-threads"?

Also, if by "trap-threads" you mean threads that are meant to be places of discussion about IT that other people came to for no other reason than to start arguing, then I don't think you can use that as an excuse.

Just throwing the title of a thread i remember posting at...

"The indotrination theory is a weak minded delusion"

interesting how the mods have started locking those kinds of threads and sending those people here to discuss IT with us.

[MegaSovereign]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding on to my last post:

Controlling the Reapers is an unethical means to win the war. But the series is plagued with examples of how this is not necessarily a bad thing. A big one is how Mordin used Maelon's data to extract a cure to the genophage, despite the fact that the cure had unethical means.

After playing through Horizon, the idea of control being a viable option became clear. There are so many parallels between Horizon and Maelon's data that it's crazy.

Soooo.... then control is actually Renagade.

Could be viewed that way. It's the practical/unethical approach. Kind of like keeping the Collector base.

unethical isn't necessarily practical.

Ofcourse, but Controlling the Reapers is practical if it means that you can:

1) End the War

2) Keep your synthetic allies alive

3) Keep the Citadel intact

[BatmanTurian]

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding on to my last post:

Controlling the Reapers is an unethical means to win the war. But the series is plagued with examples of how this is not necessarily a bad thing. A big one is how Mordin used Maelon's data to extract a cure to the genophage, despite the fact that the cure had unethical means.

After playing through Horizon, the idea of control being a viable option became clear. There are so many parallels between Horizon and Maelon's data that it's crazy.

Soooo.... then control is actually Renagade.

Could be viewed that way. It's the practical/unethical approach. Kind of like keeping the Collector base.

unethical isn't necessarily practical.

Ofcourse, but Controlling the Reapers is practical if it means that you can:

1) End the War

2) Keep your synthetic allies alive

3) Keep the Citadel intact

You really do sound like TIM. Just as Ieldra sounds like Saren.

[Humakt83]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Ofcourse, but Controlling the Reapers is practical if it means that you can:

1) End the War

2) Keep your synthetic allies alive

3) Keep the Citadel intact

Only assurance you have that controlling Reapers work is that the said leader of Reapers tells you so....

And your mortal enemy, IM, who was indoctrinated thus a Reaper tool.

[Dwailing]

MegaSovereign wrote...


Ofcourse, but Controlling the Reapers is practical if it means that you can:


3) Keep the Citadel intact

Funny you should mention that.  Remember how in Control the Citadel leaves with the Reapers, presumably for dark space (Or somewhere else far away.)?  Well, think about this for a sec: what going to happen to all the people on the Citadel?  It seems doubtful that the Citadel could be completely self-sufficient, considering that the war had already strained supplies.  If the Reapers and the Citadel are gone for good, then Shepard doomed all those people to a slow and painful death.

[TJBartlemus]

thisisme8 wrote...

Where does it state that the Catalyst created himself or the cycle?  <---Entirely non-rhetorical.  If someone created him, then yes, he would be like a reaper.  But that would mean that there was someone (or even a group of beings), at some point, that created the Catalyst and the reapers to fulfill a role that became obsolete once the cycle was over.

I've got a question for YOU. Or maybe questions... (Not anyone else, just thisisme8) Do you believe the star child as real? And if you do, can you explain to me on the fact that if the Citadel is his home, why did Sovereign need to access the Citadel to open the relay? The only reason the relay wouldn't activate was because the Protheans disabled the device that signals from outside to the keepers for them to activate it. If the star child was always there, why can't he do it himself? It makes me wonder what his real purpose is there for if he can't do anything...

[MegaSovereign]

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding on to my last post:

Controlling the Reapers is an unethical means to win the war. But the series is plagued with examples of how this is not necessarily a bad thing. A big one is how Mordin used Maelon's data to extract a cure to the genophage, despite the fact that the cure had unethical means.

After playing through Horizon, the idea of control being a viable option became clear. There are so many parallels between Horizon and Maelon's data that it's crazy.

Soooo.... then control is actually Renagade.

Could be viewed that way. It's the practical/unethical approach. Kind of like keeping the Collector base.

unethical isn't necessarily practical.

Ofcourse, but Controlling the Reapers is practical if it means that you can:

1) End the War

2) Keep your synthetic allies alive

3) Keep the Citadel intact

You really do sound like TIM. Just as Ieldra sounds like Saren.

TIM doesn't give a **** about saving anything that isn't human. If he took control he'd use them to secure human dominance.


I hope that comment was a joke.

[Lokanaiya]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Jackal13th wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

hay i am in high school and i play mass effect and I understand what I talk about some times.

if you are in high school and want to talk about mass effect it start a thred and start the chat i have beenn platying mass effect sence it first came out . still..but thats is a deferant topic .

Good God!!! Do all High Schooler's now have a horrible grasp of the English language??? I thought it was just Masster Blaster... *sigh*

I'm in high school, and all of my posts have been gramatically correct and puncuated correctly, barring the occasional typo, of course. Just thought I'd point that out.

[Chashan]

MegaSovereign wrote...


Ofcourse, but Controlling the Reapers is practical if it means that you can:

1) End the War

2) Keep your synthetic allies alive

3) Keep the Citadel intact

You should add to that

4) Keep Reapers as a work-force to rebuild

Which is something the squid-bots fully deserve too...
While I am convinced that "absolute power corrupts absolutely" is the all too real consequence of Control, I give it that much.