Domanese wrote...
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My own problem with IT is really the reasoning behind it. Why would the Catalyst need to lie to Shepard? Would an AI, although capable, lie while conceding at the same time? The cycle is over, so there is no need to tell Shepard that he is not indoctrinated, but he still goes so far as to say he is not. Unless IT's true meaning is the indoctrination of the player, and not Shepard. But still, the cycle is over.
Well the line of thinking for an ITer is this as a general statement. (At least it applies to me anyway)
First and Foremost, if the Catalyst is as he says he is a Catalyst, he cannot say for example the Crucible changed him and opened up new possiblities because thats not how a Catalyst works. He defies the very nature of what a Catalyst is. How can he as an AI or even as intellect make that statement unless he lied about being the Catalyst in the first place?
Secondly the wording he chooses to describe himself. He keeps saying after "I am the Catalyst", we, us and constantly refers to his kind as the answer to the problem of organic life. This is strikingly similar to a reapers line of thinking. To be more exact, it's Harbinger's line of thinking. He sees himself as a god like entity and the solution and final evolution of all organic life.
Third, he is trying to convince us within the last ten minutes that the Reapers serve some kind of noble purpose in life, and that they need to exist. The reapers entire goal is nothing but self preservation, their existence and adding to their numbers is all they care about. We have for the past three games continued along the logic of the Reapers needing to be destroyed and wiped out. Hell it's been Shepards driving motivation regardless of Paragon or Renegade options you take. Now all of a sudden this new offer is made by a suspicious entity claiming to be the Catalyst and trying to argue that your goal that has been the focus of the entire saga is wrong.
The conclusion we have reached from the IT stand point is that this final ten minutes is actually a battle at the center of the mind and that the final boss is Harbinger trying to indoctrinate Shepard. Rather then it being an actual battle in the physical world like th human reaper Bioware took the route of seeing how well you remembered everything up to this point and tested your resolve as Commander Shepard.
Asfor the Catalyst himself, the reason why he would act this way is that he is not the Catalyst but actually Harbinger posing as this god like AI that claims to be the creator of the Reapers, lying to you that there are better ways. He's trying to turn you the player as Shepard to the reapers line of thinking. That they need to exist. Two out of three options allow the Reapers to live.
I would argue that:
A) He calls himself the catalyst because he was named by the organics as the catalyst.
I believe (and this is probably the root of our differences) that the reaper's entire purpose is the continuation of the cycle, not their individual self preservation.
C) If the reason behind the final 10 minutes of the game is to try and indoctrinate Shepard into believing the goal of the reapers is a noble one, then one of the options would have been to continue the cycle, which there isn't. Even control ends the cycle. The reapers live, but they aren't harvesting species and wiping everything else out. . . anymore.
Other notes: My personal opinion is that deep down Shepard knows that completely defeating the reapers is probably impossible. Finding a way to end the cycle is the best he or she can hope for. Now, I think the reapers are not as smart as they think they are, and that the Catalyst, while being a part of the system that controls the cycle, is actually a part of, yet seperate from the reapers. This allows the Catalyst to see the end of the cycle, while a reaper would simply continue on. The Catalyst can therefore propose the three possible solutions in its power to end the cycle. They may not be the best solutions, but that are the three that the Catalyst can accomplish. Should Harbinger have been in the Catalyst's place, or if he was the Catalyst in Shep's indoctrination dream, he would never have given Shepard the choice to destroy the only thing the reapers live for: the Cycle.
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