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Unschuld wrote...
Maybe the EC will have the Crucible turn Shepard into a human bullet like superman, the Citadel firing him out like a cannon where he proceeds to punch through every single reaper in Sol before crashing like a meteor into London's rubble. There you have it, Bioware.
Best. Ending. Ever.
DJBare wrote...
Complete speculation, but I think the citadel is an amplifier for the crucible which is a mass indoctrination device, and "if" Shepard wakes up, s/he will have to destroy the crucible before the entire remaining population of earth and the fleets in orbit are indoctrinated, it's why the reapers moved the citadel to sol, that would lead the fleet and the crucible right to their doorstep.Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
Complete speculation, but I think the Citadel Relay Cannon is a plausible scenario since we know that the Protheans learned the secrets of the Mass Relays. Older species could have done the same and thus the possibility of making the Citadel a mass accelerator cannon was a posiblity.
spotlessvoid wrote...
Control is bad for 2 simple reasons:
1. "Controlling" the Reapers. Haha.
2. No breath scene
TSA_383 wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
The Citadel is a mass accelerator anyway, as are all the mass relays. No Crucible needed. I'd rather says that the Crucible might act as a mass pump into the Citadel Relay.
Making the Ciadel a cannon would require desynchronizing it from other relays so that it sends the mass into a set point in space.
Exactly, that might be what the Crucible is for. Desynchonizing it and making this possible. Essentailly the Crucible could be the weapon in the sense that it is what turns the Citadel into possible weapon.
Would also make sense in terms of the weapon that killed the derelict reaper from ME2...
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spotlessvoid wrote...
Control is bad for 2 simple reasons:
1. "Controlling" the Reapers. Haha.
2. No breath scene
Modifié par Unschuld, 18 mai 2012 - 08:13 .
Unschuld wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
Control is bad for 2 simple reasons:
1. "Controlling" the Reapers. Haha.
2. No breath scene
Some people see it as a "sacrifice". Yeah, whatever... Even if Shepard wasn't indoctrinated and this is "the only reason TIM couldn't" as the catalyst says, control still seems like a thinly veiled ruse.
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
No really? It is not beacuse TIM and the Protheans who tried to control the Reapers were both Indoctrinated and everyone says they cannot be controlled
Oh and they also have a nasty habit of Indoctrinating other people, I am sure you can control them when they are controlling others...
Control is the best option possible (if IT is wrong).Unschuld wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
Control is bad for 2 simple reasons:
1. "Controlling" the Reapers. Haha.
2. No breath scene
Some people see it as a "sacrifice". Yeah, whatever... Even if Shepard wasn't indoctrinated and this is "the only reason TIM couldn't" as the catalyst says, control still seems like a thinly veiled ruse.
Modifié par paxxton, 18 mai 2012 - 08:20 .
Xavendithas wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Hey all. I've been gone for a few days so I have a lot of catching up to do. In the meantime I wanted to bring up a new topic: the Rannoch Reaper.
Has anyone noticed how the camera pulses? At first I thought it was a glitch, but it seems to be deliberate. I'm thinking it could be infrasonic noise. As we know, infrasonic noise is below the range of hearing, but can be FELT subconsciously and as a vibration. Indoctrination signals?
Also, I've noticed that the Reaper's red eye stays lit even though he is supposedly dead, AND the camera angle shows it a lot during the ensuing geth/quarian peace/war cutscenes.
Thoughts, anyone?
The derelict reaper scene in ME2 makes it seem as though the reapers have more of a passive indoctrination field that is always present. Just being in the vicinity of the reaper will have a subtle effect on the person. Do they establish in the lore anywhere if this is the case or if the reaper can boost the signal through infrasonics and the like?
paxxton wrote...
Control is the best option possible (if IT is wrong).Unschuld wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
Control is bad for 2 simple reasons:
1. "Controlling" the Reapers. Haha.
2. No breath scene
Some people see it as a "sacrifice". Yeah, whatever... Even if Shepard wasn't indoctrinated and this is "the only reason TIM couldn't" as the catalyst says, control still seems like a thinly veiled ruse.
Assuming for a moment that Starchild's talk is irrelevant, Control gives Shepard, well, control over a powerful technological achievement.spotlessvoid wrote...
How can control be a viable option to Starchild? If Shepard really could control the Reapers, isn't that effectively the same choice as destroy? The assumption being Shepard would stop the Reapers from harvesting any further, meaning "the chaos would come back" just like Starchild claims regarding destroy. Isn't it essentially a choice of ending the Reapers (destroy/control) vs joining the Reapers (synthesis) ?
Yet isn't it even more likely that given what we know about TIM and Saren and Starchilds stated intentions, that the choice is really presented as beat the Reapers (destroy) vs submit to the Reapers (control/synthesis)
Modifié par paxxton, 18 mai 2012 - 08:24 .
paxxton wrote...
Control is the best option possible (if IT is wrong).Unschuld wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
Control is bad for 2 simple reasons:
1. "Controlling" the Reapers. Haha.
2. No breath scene
Some people see it as a "sacrifice". Yeah, whatever... Even if Shepard wasn't indoctrinated and this is "the only reason TIM couldn't" as the catalyst says, control still seems like a thinly veiled ruse.
GethPrimeMKII wrote...
Xavendithas wrote...
HellishFiend wrote...
Hey all. I've been gone for a few days so I have a lot of catching up to do. In the meantime I wanted to bring up a new topic: the Rannoch Reaper.
Has anyone noticed how the camera pulses? At first I thought it was a glitch, but it seems to be deliberate. I'm thinking it could be infrasonic noise. As we know, infrasonic noise is below the range of hearing, but can be FELT subconsciously and as a vibration. Indoctrination signals?
Also, I've noticed that the Reaper's red eye stays lit even though he is supposedly dead, AND the camera angle shows it a lot during the ensuing geth/quarian peace/war cutscenes.
Thoughts, anyone?
The derelict reaper scene in ME2 makes it seem as though the reapers have more of a passive indoctrination field that is always present. Just being in the vicinity of the reaper will have a subtle effect on the person. Do they establish in the lore anywhere if this is the case or if the reaper can boost the signal through infrasonics and the like?
Dunno if this has been answered yet, but it is established elsewhere in the lore that simply being around a reaper will screw with your mind. Remember what Benezia said back in Mass Effect. By simply being around Sovereign, Saren's suggestions became more convincing and she felt compelled to follow him. What's interesting is that her original intention for following Saren was to put a stop to his plans. A clear demonstration of the powerful effect reapers can have on the mind.
paxxton wrote...
Control is the best option possible (if IT is wrong).
Modifié par Unschuld, 18 mai 2012 - 08:30 .
Not at all. Choosing Destroy just thrusts organics into Stone Age.MaximizedAction wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Control is the best option possible (if IT is wrong).Unschuld wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
Control is bad for 2 simple reasons:
1. "Controlling" the Reapers. Haha.
2. No breath scene
Some people see it as a "sacrifice". Yeah, whatever... Even if Shepard wasn't indoctrinated and this is "the only reason TIM couldn't" as the catalyst says, control still seems like a thinly veiled ruse.
Why so...indoctrinated?
paxxton wrote...
Assuming for a moment that Starchild's talk is irrelevant, Control gives Shepard, well, control over a powerful technological achievement.spotlessvoid wrote...
How can control be a viable option to Starchild? If Shepard really could control the Reapers, isn't that effectively the same choice as destroy? The assumption being Shepard would stop the Reapers from harvesting any further, meaning "the chaos would come back" just like Starchild claims regarding destroy. Isn't it essentially a choice of ending the Reapers (destroy/control) vs joining the Reapers (synthesis) ?
Yet isn't it even more likely that given what we know about TIM and Saren and Starchilds stated intentions, that the choice is really presented as beat the Reapers (destroy) vs submit to the Reapers (control/synthesis)
Sounds good, but to make it more precise we need to also sync the henchmen, loadout, and what to pick up during these missions (because of codex entries)MaximizedAction wrote...
TSA_383 wrote...
Guys, I'd like to try an experiment if everyone's up for it.
I, or someone else, will create a save right before starting the cerberus base mission with a new character (ie, one that's not done the ending before) and upload it.
Then we'll get people to play through the ending, choosing destroy, control and synthesis.
Then we upload the saves/Newsave+/Legendsave on here and we'll see what's changed. Acceptable?
I'm in!
byne wrote...
The godchild says if you pick control you will lose everything that you are.
Theres literally no guarantee that after picking control, Shep wont eventually start agreeing with the godchild's logic and start the cycles over again.
Theres also no guarantee that the cycles are over with synthesis.
Literally the only way to guarantee an end to the cycles is destroy, and destroy is also what you've been working towards all three games.
IT or not, destroy is really the only option that makes any sense.
paxxton wrote...
Assuming for a moment that Starchild's talk is irrelevant, Control gives Shepard, well, control over a powerful technological achievement.spotlessvoid wrote...
How can control be a viable option to Starchild? If Shepard really could control the Reapers, isn't that effectively the same choice as destroy? The assumption being Shepard would stop the Reapers from harvesting any further, meaning "the chaos would come back" just like Starchild claims regarding destroy. Isn't it essentially a choice of ending the Reapers (destroy/control) vs joining the Reapers (synthesis) ?
Yet isn't it even more likely that given what we know about TIM and Saren and Starchilds stated intentions, that the choice is really presented as beat the Reapers (destroy) vs submit to the Reapers (control/synthesis)
spotlessvoid wrote...
But paxxton, you CAN'T separate one from the other. If you could control the Reapers then yes. I highly doubt it though. Starchilds logic is that synthetics will rise up against organics so you have to trim the organics who develop too far. The effective result of control and destroy is the removal of the mechanism by which Starchild achieves that goal, meaning it's game over for his agenda of protecting organics from synthetics.
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