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[Salient Archer]

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

That pic is one of those barrier engine devices, you can see these after you destory them.

Oh? I never got an up-close look at those. So this item is probably used in MP missions and as the barrer generators?

I can't vouch for barriers, but in MP they are called "Reaper Indoctrination Device."

Wonder if we also see them on the N7 mission where we collect the reaper artifacts from cerberus?

From what I've seen, I think the things you get from Firebase Glacier are mini-Reaper models. Like one of the Reapers you see in that cinematic in ME2.

Lol is Shep going to put them in his/her model ship collection? No wonder he/she got indoctrinated!

Maybe that's how Shep became indoctrinated in the first place. Harbinger aware of Shepard's fixation on collecting model ships decided to hide indoctrination devices inside them. Could explain why Shepo has such whack dreams in his cabin. 

[FellishBeast]

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

If control isn't a viable option (according to IT), why do the Reapers attack Sanctuary?

(I'm on that mission so I'm thinking about it.)

There's a huge leap between controlling the reapers, and controlling reaper husks via signal hijacking or whatever they do. At least that's how it's talked about in game.

Then why do the Reapers perceive it as a threat?

[FellishBeast]

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

That pic is one of those barrier engine devices, you can see these after you destory them.

Oh? I never got an up-close look at those. So this item is probably used in MP missions and as the barrer generators?

I can't vouch for barriers, but in MP they are called "Reaper Indoctrination Device."

Wonder if we also see them on the N7 mission where we collect the reaper artifacts from cerberus?

From what I've seen, I think the things you get from Firebase Glacier are mini-Reaper models. Like one of the Reapers you see in that cinematic in ME2.

Lol is Shep going to put them in his/her model ship collection? No wonder he/she got indoctrinated!

Maybe that's how Shep became indoctrinated in the first place. Harbinger aware of Shepard's fixation on collecting model ships decided to hide indoctrination devices inside them. Could explain why Shepo has such whack dreams in his cabin. 

My God...

HAS ANYONE DONE A PLAYTHROUGH WITHOUT MODEL SOVEREIGN??

[Starbuck8]

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

If control isn't a viable option (according to IT), why do the Reapers attack Sanctuary?

(I'm on that mission so I'm thinking about it.)

There's a huge leap between controlling the reapers, and controlling reaper husks via signal hijacking or whatever they do. At least that's how it's talked about in game.

Then why do the Reapers perceive it as a threat?

Because then TIM can control reaper troops. It's like not being able to control a General, but being able to control all the soldiers within a certain area. Not good if you're trying to fight a war.

[Starbuck8]

FellishBeast wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Wonder if we also see them on the N7 mission where we collect the reaper artifacts from cerberus?

From what I've seen, I think the things you get from Firebase Glacier are mini-Reaper models. Like one of the Reapers you see in that cinematic in ME2.

Lol is Shep going to put them in his/her model ship collection? No wonder he/she got indoctrinated!

Maybe that's how Shep became indoctrinated in the first place. Harbinger aware of Shepard's fixation on collecting model ships decided to hide indoctrination devices inside them. Could explain why Shepo has such whack dreams in his cabin. 

My God...

HAS ANYONE DONE A PLAYTHROUGH WITHOUT MODEL SOVEREIGN??

The gotta catch em all mentality has finally done us in. How could we have been so daft?

Modifié par Starbuck8, 24 juin 2012 - 05:44 .

[FellishBeast]

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

If control isn't a viable option (according to IT), why do the Reapers attack Sanctuary?

(I'm on that mission so I'm thinking about it.)

There's a huge leap between controlling the reapers, and controlling reaper husks via signal hijacking or whatever they do. At least that's how it's talked about in game.

Then why do the Reapers perceive it as a threat?

Because then TIM can control reaper troops. It's like not being able to control a General, but being able to control all the soldiers within a certain area. Not good if you're trying to fight a war.

Okay, that makes sense, I guess.

I also realized that TIM was persuing control because he was indoctrinated, so control couldn't be a viable option if the Reapers set him to it, I guess?

[DirtyPhoenix]

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

If control isn't a viable option (according to IT), why do the Reapers attack Sanctuary?

(I'm on that mission so I'm thinking about it.)

There's a huge leap between controlling the reapers, and controlling reaper husks via signal hijacking or whatever they do. At least that's how it's talked about in game.

Then why do the Reapers perceive it as a threat?

Because then TIM can control reaper troops. It's like not being able to control a General, but being able to control all the soldiers within a certain area. Not good if you're trying to fight a war.

Or, the Reapers controlled TIM and let him play for a while, at Horizon they're like: alright son, playtime's up!

[FellishBeast]

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Wonder if we also see them on the N7 mission where we collect the reaper artifacts from cerberus?

From what I've seen, I think the things you get from Firebase Glacier are mini-Reaper models. Like one of the Reapers you see in that cinematic in ME2.

Lol is Shep going to put them in his/her model ship collection? No wonder he/she got indoctrinated!

Maybe that's how Shep became indoctrinated in the first place. Harbinger aware of Shepard's fixation on collecting model ships decided to hide indoctrination devices inside them. Could explain why Shepo has such whack dreams in his cabin. 

My God...

HAS ANYONE DONE A PLAYTHROUGH WITHOUT MODEL SOVEREIGN??

The gotta catch em all mentality has finally done us in. How could we have been so daft?

Damn you, Pokemon! *raises fist* DAMN YOOOUUUUUUUU!!!

[Starbuck8]

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

If control isn't a viable option (according to IT), why do the Reapers attack Sanctuary?

(I'm on that mission so I'm thinking about it.)

There's a huge leap between controlling the reapers, and controlling reaper husks via signal hijacking or whatever they do. At least that's how it's talked about in game.

Then why do the Reapers perceive it as a threat?

Because then TIM can control reaper troops. It's like not being able to control a General, but being able to control all the soldiers within a certain area. Not good if you're trying to fight a war.

Okay, that makes sense, I guess.

I also realized that TIM was persuing control because he was indoctrinated, so control couldn't be a viable option if the Reapers set him to it, I guess?

Yeah, a fool's errand so to speak. I guess they never expected him to figure out how to control reaper troops though, and so couldn't keep leaving him alone at that point.

[TJBartlemus]

FellishBeast wrote...

My God...

HAS ANYONE DONE A PLAYTHROUGH WITHOUT MODEL SOVEREIGN??

Yeah, I find that funny cause they say that the geth created Sovereign but they have a perfect model of it and looks nothing like a geth ship. <_<

[thisisme8]

Domanese wrote...

Found it! Forgive the giant text wall of doom.

thisisme8 wrote...

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I think our main disagreement comes from two places.

First, I truly believe that the reapers were designed solely to preserve organics through harvest.  While it also accomplishes self preservation, I believe their original purpose is still their main one:  Harvest organics at the apex of their civilation before self destruction to preserve them.

Second, the Catalyst.  This is all because of interpretation of what he says.  Much the same way that the AI is presented as the boy, a familiar projection from Shepard, he calls himself the Catalyst because that is what Shepard will recognize as what he seeks.  When Shepard boards the Citadel at the end, he is under the impression that it is the catalyst (lower case C) to the Crucible becoming the device to end the cycle/destroy the reapers/etc.  The AI then introduces himself as the Catalyst (capital C) implying that he (the AI) is actually what Shepard is seeking - specifically, as opposed to the Citadel, which would be generally.  While the organics stated that the Citadel is the catalyst to the Crucible, and are not wrong, the AI names himself as the Catalyst as he is aware that he is what Shepard is looking for.  Does that make sense?

EDIT: forgot to add that the whole Catalyst argument is why he doesn't have to be lying to call himself the Catalyst as that is him simply going along with what the organics named him.

Another thing:  I personally think the Catalyst is not "chained down" by the primary goal of other reapers.  This allows him to see beyond the cycle.  The reapers can't fathom another option because they only know of the cycle, whereas the Catalyst was probably what created the cycle (ironically - or tragically - an AI that at the conclusion of  a synthetic-organic war, decided the only way to preserve the defeated organic life was to harvest it).

Modifié par thisisme8, 24 juin 2012 - 05:53 .

[Salient Archer]

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Wonder if we also see them on the N7 mission where we collect the reaper artifacts from cerberus?

From what I've seen, I think the things you get from Firebase Glacier are mini-Reaper models. Like one of the Reapers you see in that cinematic in ME2.

Lol is Shep going to put them in his/her model ship collection? No wonder he/she got indoctrinated!

Maybe that's how Shep became indoctrinated in the first place. Harbinger aware of Shepard's fixation on collecting model ships decided to hide indoctrination devices inside them. Could explain why Shepo has such whack dreams in his cabin. 

My God...

HAS ANYONE DONE A PLAYTHROUGH WITHOUT MODEL SOVEREIGN??

The gotta catch em all mentality has finally done us in. How could we have been so daft?

Explains why they were all so carelessly left in random places aboard the SR2 to begin with, You'd think the retrofit crew would have just dumped them somewhere. Hmm, maybe when Starbinger/Child is seen playing with the Alliance Interceptor at the start it was just foreshadowing that Shep's model fetish would be his ultimate undoing.

[Starbuck8]

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

From what I've seen, I think the things you get from Firebase Glacier are mini-Reaper models. Like one of the Reapers you see in that cinematic in ME2.

Lol is Shep going to put them in his/her model ship collection? No wonder he/she got indoctrinated!

Maybe that's how Shep became indoctrinated in the first place. Harbinger aware of Shepard's fixation on collecting model ships decided to hide indoctrination devices inside them. Could explain why Shepo has such whack dreams in his cabin. 

My God...

HAS ANYONE DONE A PLAYTHROUGH WITHOUT MODEL SOVEREIGN??

The gotta catch em all mentality has finally done us in. How could we have been so daft?

Explains why they were all so carelessly left in random places aboard the SR2 to begin with, You'd think the retrofit crew would have just dumped them somewhere. Hmm, maybe when Starbinger/Child is seen playing with the Alliance Interceptor at the start it was just foreshadowing that Shep's model fetish would be his ultimate undoing.

The model ship IS the first thing you see in the game! My God...

Lol Harbinger knew we wouldn't be able to resist a little easter egg hunt.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 24 juin 2012 - 05:50 .

[TJBartlemus]

thisisme8 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Found it! Forgive the giant text wall of doom.

thisisme8 wrote...

***Wall of text snip***

***Wall of text snip***

I think our main disagreement comes from two places.

First, I truly believe that the reapers were designed solely to preserve organics through harvest.  While it also accomplishes self preservation, I believe their original purpose is still their main one:  Harvest organics at the apex of their civilation before self destruction to preserve them.

Oh my God!!! He's indoctrinated!!!

Really man, that would be a comment from Saren in ME1 except this time we have no paragon interrupt option...

[Salient Archer]

Has anyone been able to clean up these images enough to read what any of the text says?

[Salient Archer]

TJBartlemus wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Found it! Forgive the giant text wall of doom.

thisisme8 wrote...

***Wall of text snip***

***Wall of text snip***

I think our main disagreement comes from two places.

First, I truly believe that the reapers were designed solely to preserve organics through harvest.  While it also accomplishes self preservation, I believe their original purpose is still their main one:  Harvest organics at the apex of their civilation before self destruction to preserve them.

Oh my God!!! He's indoctrinated!!!

Really man, that would be a comment from Saren in ME1 except this time we have no paragon interrupt option...

I'd personally take the renegade option tbh. 

[Starbuck8]

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clean up these images enough to read what any of the text says?
*snip*

The pics are really low res so I don't think we can. The one where they're standing in front of the chart looks like they blurred the text areas purposely. I can try some sharpening with my photo editing software. I'm no graphics expert though.

[thisisme8]

TJBartlemus wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Found it! Forgive the giant text wall of doom.

thisisme8 wrote...

***Wall of text snip***

***Wall of text snip***

I think our main disagreement comes from two places.

First, I truly believe that the reapers were designed solely to preserve organics through harvest.  While it also accomplishes self preservation, I believe their original purpose is still their main one:  Harvest organics at the apex of their civilation before self destruction to preserve them.

Oh my God!!! He's indoctrinated!!!

Really man, that would be a comment from Saren in ME1 except this time we have no paragon interrupt option...

I don't get how simply believing what the reapers have always said, we're going to kill you and preserve your goo (that's paraphrased) makes me indoctrinated.

[Salient Archer]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

From what I've seen, I think the things you get from Firebase Glacier are mini-Reaper models. Like one of the Reapers you see in that cinematic in ME2.

Lol is Shep going to put them in his/her model ship collection? No wonder he/she got indoctrinated!

Maybe that's how Shep became indoctrinated in the first place. Harbinger aware of Shepard's fixation on collecting model ships decided to hide indoctrination devices inside them. Could explain why Shepo has such whack dreams in his cabin. 

My God...

HAS ANYONE DONE A PLAYTHROUGH WITHOUT MODEL SOVEREIGN??

The gotta catch em all mentality has finally done us in. How could we have been so daft?

Explains why they were all so carelessly left in random places aboard the SR2 to begin with, You'd think the retrofit crew would have just dumped them somewhere. Hmm, maybe when Starbinger/Child is seen playing with the Alliance Interceptor at the start it was just foreshadowing that Shep's model fetish would be his ultimate undoing.

The model ship IS the first thing you see in the game! My God...

Lol Harbinger knew we wouldn't be able to resist a little easter egg hunt.

Despite the tongue-in-cheekness of it all; I'm actually starting to scare. As I just realized that the model interceptor is also used in the 'take back earth' trailer, and what's the first thing Shepard does in that trailer?; picks the model up... 

[Lokanaiya]

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Wonder if we also see them on the N7 mission where we collect the reaper artifacts from cerberus?

From what I've seen, I think the things you get from Firebase Glacier are mini-Reaper models. Like one of the Reapers you see in that cinematic in ME2.

Lol is Shep going to put them in his/her model ship collection? No wonder he/she got indoctrinated!

Maybe that's how Shep became indoctrinated in the first place. Harbinger aware of Shepard's fixation on collecting model ships decided to hide indoctrination devices inside them. Could explain why Shepo has such whack dreams in his cabin. 

My God...

HAS ANYONE DONE A PLAYTHROUGH WITHOUT MODEL SOVEREIGN??

The gotta catch em all mentality has finally done us in. How could we have been so daft?

Explains why they were all so carelessly left in random places aboard the SR2 to begin with, You'd think the retrofit crew would have just dumped them somewhere. Hmm, maybe when Starbinger/Child is seen playing with the Alliance Interceptor at the start it was just foreshadowing that Shep's model fetish would be his ultimate undoing.

Would also explain why only Shepard appears to be getting indoctrinated...

[Starbuck8]

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

From what I've seen, I think the things you get from Firebase Glacier are mini-Reaper models. Like one of the Reapers you see in that cinematic in ME2.

Lol is Shep going to put them in his/her model ship collection? No wonder he/she got indoctrinated!

Maybe that's how Shep became indoctrinated in the first place. Harbinger aware of Shepard's fixation on collecting model ships decided to hide indoctrination devices inside them. Could explain why Shepo has such whack dreams in his cabin. 

My God...

HAS ANYONE DONE A PLAYTHROUGH WITHOUT MODEL SOVEREIGN??

The gotta catch em all mentality has finally done us in. How could we have been so daft?

Explains why they were all so carelessly left in random places aboard the SR2 to begin with, You'd think the retrofit crew would have just dumped them somewhere. Hmm, maybe when Starbinger/Child is seen playing with the Alliance Interceptor at the start it was just foreshadowing that Shep's model fetish would be his ultimate undoing.

The model ship IS the first thing you see in the game! My God...

Lol Harbinger knew we wouldn't be able to resist a little easter egg hunt.

Despite the tongue-in-cheekness of it all; I'm actually starting to scare. As I just realized that the model interceptor is also used in the 'take back earth' trailer, and what's the first thing Shepard does in that trailer?; picks the model up... 

Now you've got me thinking about it too...

[FellishBeast]

thisisme8 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Domanese wrote...

Found it! Forgive the giant text wall of doom.

thisisme8 wrote...

***Wall of text snip***

***Wall of text snip***

I think our main disagreement comes from two places.

First, I truly believe that the reapers were designed solely to preserve organics through harvest.  While it also accomplishes self preservation, I believe their original purpose is still their main one:  Harvest organics at the apex of their civilation before self destruction to preserve them.

Oh my God!!! He's indoctrinated!!!

Really man, that would be a comment from Saren in ME1 except this time we have no paragon interrupt option...

I don't get how simply believing what the reapers have always said, we're going to kill you and preserve your goo (that's paraphrased) makes me indoctrinated.

L.M.F.A.O.

Now I KNOW you're trolling.

Well-played man...
*slow clap*
Bravo..

[Starbuck8]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clean up these images enough to read what any of the text says?
*snip*

The pics are really low res so I don't think we can. The one where they're standing in front of the chart looks like they blurred the text areas purposely. I can try some sharpening with my photo editing software. I'm no graphics expert though.

Too low res to do anything with. And I think they purposely blurred the screens/text.

[Big G13]

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

From what I've seen, I think the things you get from Firebase Glacier are mini-Reaper models. Like one of the Reapers you see in that cinematic in ME2.

Lol is Shep going to put them in his/her model ship collection? No wonder he/she got indoctrinated!

Maybe that's how Shep became indoctrinated in the first place. Harbinger aware of Shepard's fixation on collecting model ships decided to hide indoctrination devices inside them. Could explain why Shepo has such whack dreams in his cabin. 

My God...

HAS ANYONE DONE A PLAYTHROUGH WITHOUT MODEL SOVEREIGN??

The gotta catch em all mentality has finally done us in. How could we have been so daft?

Explains why they were all so carelessly left in random places aboard the SR2 to begin with, You'd think the retrofit crew would have just dumped them somewhere. Hmm, maybe when Starbinger/Child is seen playing with the Alliance Interceptor at the start it was just foreshadowing that Shep's model fetish would be his ultimate undoing.

The model ship IS the first thing you see in the game! My God...

Lol Harbinger knew we wouldn't be able to resist a little easter egg hunt.

Despite the tongue-in-cheekness of it all; I'm actually starting to scare. As I just realized that the model interceptor is also used in the 'take back earth' trailer, and what's the first thing Shepard does in that trailer?; picks the model up... 

The answer was in plain site the whole time. and now " at the end, do we realize the power of the dark side." 

[Salient Archer]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Salient Archer wrote...

Has anyone been able to clean up these images enough to read what any of the text says?
*snip*

The pics are really low res so I don't think we can. The one where they're standing in front of the chart looks like they blurred the text areas purposely. I can try some sharpening with my photo editing software. I'm no graphics expert though.

Too low res to do anything with. And I think they purposely blurred the screens/text.

Just tried myself and I'm using some dedicated blur-removal/sharpness plug-ins for CS6. I say they've actually lowered the bandwidth of the image and tested to see if anyone can sharpen the image themselves before they posted anything. Which makes me wonder; why tell us anything at all? Why tell us about Joker fleeing from battle? Why show the crew in a memmorial stance? or the "green-eyed" geth with a maskless quarian? There's only days until the EC and I'm sensing some deliberate seeding and control of information on BW's behalf.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 24 juin 2012 - 06:08 .