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[Andromidius]

Also, the argument that spoiling their big release right before launch date would be extremely stupid. So taking anything said via Twitter of all things at face value is rather foolish.

But that seems to be ignored a lot.

Oh, and 'logical fallacies'. We've having that thrown at us a lot.

[Arian Dynas]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

*Cracks knuckles*

Well then I got my work cut out for me.

First off, you're all acting stupid then. And the Literalist camp is acting stupider than usual.

First, the fact that they neither mentioned OR denied it says something, that it is a subject they don't want to get anywere near.

Why would that be? Think about it.

As for not being confirmed or denied? I have no problems with that actually, I seriously could live with a few more clues to make it more obvious and then panning out on Shepard's indoctrinated eye. Sort of an Inception thing. As Gamble said, how many years did it take them to confirm Deckard was a replicant in Bladerunner?

And read the release about the EC, it REEKS of something being up, Clarification? Addition of details? NEARLY 2 GIGABYTES OF STORAGE SPACE?! Come on people, get a grip.

Glad to be back guys, here's some tough love for you all.

In fairness they have said the large download size is due to the sheer variability of the ending content which will actually amoun to + 10 mins or so per playthrough

my point exactly.

Andromidius wrote...

Also, the argument that spoiling their big release right before launch date would be extremely stupid. So taking anything said via Twitter of all things at face value is rather foolish.

But that seems to be ignored a lot.

Oh, and 'logical fallacies'. We've having that thrown at us a lot.

 

How so, and how are they misusing the word fallacy, without understanding entirely what it means?

[Lord Luc1fer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

*Cracks knuckles*

Well then I got my work cut out for me.

First off, you're all acting stupid then. And the Literalist camp is acting stupider than usual.

First, the fact that they neither mentioned OR denied it says something, that it is a subject they don't want to get anywere near.

Why would that be? Think about it.

As for not being confirmed or denied? I have no problems with that actually, I seriously could live with a few more clues to make it more obvious and then panning out on Shepard's indoctrinated eye. Sort of an Inception thing. As Gamble said, how many years did it take them to confirm Deckard was a replicant in Bladerunner?

And read the release about the EC, it REEKS of something being up, Clarification? Addition of details? NEARLY 2 GIGABYTES OF STORAGE SPACE?! Come on people, get a grip.

Glad to be back guys, here's some tough love for you all.

In fairness they have said the large download size is due to the sheer variability of the ending content which will actually amoun to + 10 mins or so per playthrough

my point exactly.

Explain?  also, welcome back, it's been hellish since the announcement

[TSA_383]

Arian Dynas wrote...

*Cracks knuckles*

Well then I got my work cut out for me.

First off, you're all acting stupid then. And the Literalist camp is acting stupider than usual.

First, the fact that they neither mentioned OR denied it says something, that it is a subject they don't want to get anywere near.

Why would that be? Think about it.

As for not being confirmed or denied? I have no problems with that actually, I seriously could live with a few more clues to make it more obvious and then panning out on Shepard's indoctrinated eye. Sort of an Inception thing. As Gamble said, how many years did it take them to confirm Deckard was a replicant in Bladerunner?

And read the release about the EC, it REEKS of something being up, Clarification? Addition of details? NEARLY 2 GIGABYTES OF STORAGE SPACE?! Come on people, get a grip.

Glad to be back guys, here's some tough love for you all.

Thankyou for saying what I've been trying to tell people for two goddamn days
Everyone seems surprised that bioware haven't released spoilers for something that's now out in TWO DAYS.
Why on earth anyone thinks they would ruin the surprise now is beyond me.

[Andromidius]

Arian Dynas wrote...

How so, and how are they misusing the word fallacy, without understanding entirely what it means?

I have no idea.  But there have been several posts using only those two words and nothing else.

It boggles the mind.

Oh, and I'm not sure how things work for Xbox, but that 1.9GB download is compressed I assume?  So installed it may be larger then that (since people use the installed game files as comparison).  How much information is on the installation disc?

[Mystical Taurus]

I've read some comments about the ending being left open to interpretation regarding IT in the EC. But is that even possible?

The whole point of IT was Starbinger being an indoctrination test. Which would in turn mean Control and Synthesis would need to show an indoctrinated Shepard, and Destroy would require additionmal ending footage to reveal the actual end of the Reapers.

So how could an open ending in the EC even be possible? If it's left mostly as is, wouldn't that mean the events have to be taken from a Literalist perspective?

[Domanese]

Ten minutes per play through doesn't seem like much. And I am a touch skeptical of that as well. Sounds fishy. Anyway you won't see me losing hope Arian. I'm like a rock.

[Andromidius]

Mystical Taurus wrote...

I've read some comments about the ending being left open to interpretation regarding IT in the EC. But is that even possible?

The whole point of IT was Starbinger being an indoctrination test. Which would in turn mean Control and Synthesis would need to show an indoctrinated Shepard, and Destroy would require additionmal ending footage to reveal the actual end of the Reapers.

So how could an open ending in the EC even be possible? If it's left mostly as is, wouldn't that mean the events have to be taken from a Literalist perspective?

Depends how you think about it.  Depends how much people want to think about it.

Personally I think there's enough hints that Control and Synthesis are bad choices, even from a literalist perspective.  Add in everything else that's going on, and there's enough suggestion that things aren't as they seem.

If people can't think about surreal plots without just assuming its all real...   Then wow, have fun I guess.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Mystical Taurus wrote...

I've read some comments about the ending being left open to interpretation regarding IT in the EC. But is that even possible?

The whole point of IT was Starbinger being an indoctrination test. Which would in turn mean Control and Synthesis would need to show an indoctrinated Shepard, and Destroy would require additionmal ending footage to reveal the actual end of the Reapers.

So how could an open ending in the EC even be possible? If it's left mostly as is, wouldn't that mean the events have to be taken from a Literalist perspective?

Either that, or Bioware doesn't actually understand what IDT actually means and what it implies. I'd like a clear answer, one way or other. This interpretation approach is BS.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas! Welcome back to the thread, good to see you back in action.

Been reading the pages as they go, it's a lot of the same "this confirms/debunks IT!" mixed with the usual Theorizing (thankfully). Not entirely sure why so many are using the announcement of EC as debunking IT, they're still saying what they have always said, "We're not confirming or denying IT," and the like. Essentially, wait and see/play it for yourselves and see.

Whether IT is true or not we'll all find out on Tuesday or at least be given more solid-clues. Even if IT is not completely true, I at least think the hallucination part is spot on, but again won't know anything for sure until we run through it all and come back to compare notes.

[Arian Dynas]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

*Cracks knuckles*

Well then I got my work cut out for me.

First off, you're all acting stupid then. And the Literalist camp is acting stupider than usual.

First, the fact that they neither mentioned OR denied it says something, that it is a subject they don't want to get anywere near.

Why would that be? Think about it.

As for not being confirmed or denied? I have no problems with that actually, I seriously could live with a few more clues to make it more obvious and then panning out on Shepard's indoctrinated eye. Sort of an Inception thing. As Gamble said, how many years did it take them to confirm Deckard was a replicant in Bladerunner?

And read the release about the EC, it REEKS of something being up, Clarification? Addition of details? NEARLY 2 GIGABYTES OF STORAGE SPACE?! Come on people, get a grip.

Glad to be back guys, here's some tough love for you all.

In fairness they have said the large download size is due to the sheer variability of the ending content which will actually amoun to + 10 mins or so per playthrough

my point exactly.

Explain?  also, welcome back, it's been hellish since the announcement

Hellish you say?

And think about it. In a literal ending, why would there be alot of variation? The most they could really, conceivably do would be certain variations that would be either present or not depending on choices made, since the endings themselves are simply so radically different from one another ideologically, and yet are effectively the same visually. They would basically have to toss out what they have to get variation back.

And roughly 10+ minutes of wrap up? Yeah, that sounds like about how long the script I wrote would run. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Two whole days is all you'll have to wait. And don't forget they've got other DLC in the works, can only wonder what it is ....

[TSA_383]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Two whole days is all you'll have to wait. And don't forget they've got other DLC in the works, can only wonder what it is ....

*COUGH*

[Arian Dynas]

I kinda don't want it to come, actually. I'd miss all you guys terribly. 

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 24 juin 2012 - 10:54 .

[Salient Archer]

***throws ticker tape parade*** Welcome back Arian; it's good to finally see your face again. I feel like only a handful of us have stayed optimistic so it's good to have another ass kicker back in the ranks, no offence to anyone else, you know I love you all but you've just been such a gloomy bunch these past few days.

Here's the deal, can anyone explain to me how much of the DLC needs to be FMV? Think about it, with the amount of variability that could be possible do you really think BW would waste their time with CG opposed to in-engine scenes? They wouldn't it's not logistically feasible for a free product considering the time and expenses of CGI compared to animating in-engine.

We know that the scene with the mask free Quarian and the Geth is FMV but that's only because they don't want to render Quarian faces in-engine due to the modding community, so other than that and space related cinematics what else would they honestly use it for?

So can anyone honestly say that 1.9gb doesn't sound excessive for 10 minutes of additional scenes. Sure there will be variables but how many variables can you honestly think of? We are talking about a DLC that is 1/7th the size of the original game that will still use scenes already implemented in the game as well as the additional content.

So we have something that is apparently bigger than LotSB is 15% the size of the whole game and it's only going to contain 10 minutes of content; YEAH RIGHT!!!

Modifié par Salient Archer, 24 juin 2012 - 10:56 .

[estebanus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I kinda don't want it to come, actually. I'd miss all you guys terribly. 

Well, I'll be gone from these forums for a very long time, IT or not, and it'll probably not be IT, so yeah.

I think I'll first return here in 3 months, if I'm willing. I'll just have to see.

[Arian Dynas]

Salient Archer wrote...

***throws ticker tape parade*** Welcome back Arian; it's good to finally see your face again. I feel like only a handful of us have stayed optimistic so it's good to have another ass kicker back in the ranks, no offence to anyone else, you know I love you all but you've just been such a gloomy bunch these past few days.

Here's the deal, can anyone explain to me how much of the DLC needs to be FMV? Think about it, with the amount of variability that could be possible do you really think BW would waste their time with CG opposed to in-engine scenes? They wouldn't it's not logistically feasible for a free product considering the time and expenses of CGI compared to animating in-engine.

We know that the scene with the mask free Quarian and the Geth is FMV but that's only because they don't want to render Quarian faces in-engine due to the modding community, so other than that and space related cinematics what else would they honestly use it for?

So can anyone honestly say that 1.9gb doesn't sound excessive for 10 minutes of additional scenes. Sure there will be variables but how many variables can you honestly think of? We are talking about a DLC that is 1/7th the size of the original game that will still use scenes already implemented in the game as well as the additional content.

So we have something that is apparently bigger than LotSB is 15% the size of the whole game and it's only going to contain 10 minutes of content; YEAH RIGHT!!!

Seconded.

[Arian Dynas]

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I kinda don't want it to come, actually. I'd miss all you guys terribly. 

Well, I'll be gone from these forums for a very long time, IT or not, and it'll probably not be IT, so yeah.

I think I'll first return here in 3 months, if I'm willing. I'll just have to see.

*THUMP* That's for doubting. Things will go well, cheer up.

*THUMP* That's for leaving, YOU WILL COME SEE US! I DEMAND IT!

And since all of you guys are good friends, and since I get enough spambots anyway, you can all reach me via IM or MSN at ariandynas at hotmail dot com, which is also my electronic mail adress.

And yes, if you are wondering why I typed that out, just because I get spambots already doesn't mean I want more.

[Rifneno]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

Depends on context, I get "mad" when:

-ITist's think there theory is undisputable fact
-When above happens and they call people who disagree dumb (even if it's passive aggressivly)
-Think anyone who disagree's with them is against IT as an ending
-Think that all literalist's are worse than them because___or Think that there better than all Literalist's because___

I get annoyed when:

-ITist's try and use semantics to make Bioware seem like there supporting IT when there clearly doing the opposite
-When ITist's have a clear confirmation bias towards there "evidence"

I think IT is a great fan theory and definitly better then our current endings , but in the same way I think it'd be great when you died if you got <snip probably banworthy foolishness>. That dose not mean I'm willing to believe it or that it's true.

Blah blah blah, whine whine whine. You don't like it, get the **** out of the IT thread. It's that simple. You raving literalists rule the rest of the forum with your hateful ignorance. This is our haven. Get the hell out if you don't like it. You hypocrite. "when BW is clearly doing the opposite"? BW is clearly not supporting either side. Then right in the next sentence you rant about our confirmation bias. You bloody hypocrite.

Salient Archer wrote...

Bear in mind the fact that TIM and Kai Leng are both indoctrinated and hence unwitting agents could it not stand to reason that the Reapers intended for everything to take place exactly as it did so that not only could they keep the galactic forces preoccupied with building the crucible and using up valuable time and resources but they always intended to move the citadel to earth but were just waiting for the crucible to be finished so the galactic fleet would all come at once so they could take them all down in one massive assault?

Extremely unlikely. If there's one thing the Reapers have over organics, even more than technological advancement and sheer brute power, it's patience. Many of those Reapers you see out there are hundreds of millions of years old. They're in no rush to finish the cycle. It took them centuries to finish the Protheans and this war has been going on only a few months. There's no reason they should place hastening this cycle's defeat above self preservation. While the Sword fleet certainly can't beat the entire Reaper fleet out there, they can and will destroy many capital ships. One of the devs said that the Reapers typically don't lose a single capital ship in wiping out a cycle of organics. Which makes sense, as they can't possibly be making more than a few capital ships per cycle. Legion told us in ME2 that its contact with Nazara seemed to be "billions of organics minds conjoined." Billions. So sacrificing even a few capital ships would be a tremendous loss to the Reapers. That's why the Reapers ceased their zerg rush on Palaven. The turians weren't backing down an inch and while the turians were paying many times over what the Reapers were for it, the cost was still unacceptable as far as the Reapers were concerned.

StElmo wrote...

How many people here would pay for alternative-ending DLC that made Indoctrination Theory true? But It was just non-canon?

I say this as someone that's spent a few hundred bucks on ME3 merchandise that I don't even care about just because I wanted to say thank you to BW for the experience... I would not pay one cent for that DLC.

[Salient Archer]

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I kinda don't want it to come, actually. I'd miss all you guys terribly. 

Well, I'll be gone from these forums for a very long time, IT or not, and it'll probably not be IT, so yeah.

I think I'll first return here in 3 months, if I'm willing. I'll just have to see.

You'd better be back sooner then that dammit! The IT isn't just a theory and it's not just canon fodder for thought. We are a collective of brilliant, funny, like-minded individuals. We’re a community and hell with the in-fights some of us have had I’d go as far as saying that we’re a family. I’ve said it once and i’ll say it again, IDT doesn’t belong to Mass Effect, IDT doesn’t even belong to BioWare, the ITD definitely doesn’t belong to the Literalists, WE ARE THE ITD and for good or bad the EC will never change that fact.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I kinda don't want it to come, actually. I'd miss all you guys terribly. 

Aye true, but hey now still got the forums even if it's not IT, PMs with yur fellows and the like. And if IT is true...well there's more speculating to be done on the future of ME3 then.

Heading out for now, back tomorrow night to finish of Op: savage. Night all, hold the line /salute.

[estebanus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I kinda don't want it to come, actually. I'd miss all you guys terribly. 

Well, I'll be gone from these forums for a very long time, IT or not, and it'll probably not be IT, so yeah.

I think I'll first return here in 3 months, if I'm willing. I'll just have to see.

*THUMP* That's for doubting. Things will go well, cheer up.

*THUMP* That's for leaving, YOU WILL COME SEE US! I DEMAND IT!

And since all of you guys are good friends, and since I get enough spambots anyway, you can all reach me via IM or MSN at ariandynas at hotmail dot com, which is also my electronic mail adress.

And yes, if you are wondering why I typed that out, just because I get spambots already doesn't mean I want more.

I'll be gone because I'll be in the USA by wednesday. I'll probably have just enough time to finish the EC before going.

[Arian Dynas]

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I kinda don't want it to come, actually. I'd miss all you guys terribly. 

Well, I'll be gone from these forums for a very long time, IT or not, and it'll probably not be IT, so yeah.

I think I'll first return here in 3 months, if I'm willing. I'll just have to see.

*THUMP* That's for doubting. Things will go well, cheer up.

*THUMP* That's for leaving, YOU WILL COME SEE US! I DEMAND IT!

And since all of you guys are good friends, and since I get enough spambots anyway, you can all reach me via IM or MSN at ariandynas at hotmail dot com, which is also my electronic mail adress.

And yes, if you are wondering why I typed that out, just because I get spambots already doesn't mean I want more.

I'll be gone because I'll be in the USA by wednesday. I'll probably have just enough time to finish the EC before going.

What difference does it make if you're stateside or not?

[Andromidius]

estebanus wrote...
I'll be gone because I'll be in the USA by wednesday. I'll probably have just enough time to finish the EC before going.

I was pretty sure the US had internet by now!  Unless you're moving to Lonesomeville Alabama, where they don't have a telephone.

[Lord Luc1fer]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

*Cracks knuckles*

Well then I got my work cut out for me.

First off, you're all acting stupid then. And the Literalist camp is acting stupider than usual.

First, the fact that they neither mentioned OR denied it says something, that it is a subject they don't want to get anywere near.

Why would that be? Think about it.

As for not being confirmed or denied? I have no problems with that actually, I seriously could live with a few more clues to make it more obvious and then panning out on Shepard's indoctrinated eye. Sort of an Inception thing. As Gamble said, how many years did it take them to confirm Deckard was a replicant in Bladerunner?

And read the release about the EC, it REEKS of something being up, Clarification? Addition of details? NEARLY 2 GIGABYTES OF STORAGE SPACE?! Come on people, get a grip.

Glad to be back guys, here's some tough love for you all.

In fairness they have said the large download size is due to the sheer variability of the ending content which will actually amoun to + 10 mins or so per playthrough

my point exactly.

Explain?  also, welcome back, it's been hellish since the announcement

Hellish you say?

And think about it. In a literal ending, why would there be alot of variation? The most they could really, conceivably do would be certain variations that would be either present or not depending on choices made, since the endings themselves are simply so radically different from one another ideologically, and yet are effectively the same visually. They would basically have to toss out what they have to get variation back.

And roughly 10+ minutes of wrap up? Yeah, that sounds like about how long the script I wrote would run. 

Yeah, they did say the cotnent which would be so varied would reflect choices throughout the game/war assets blah blah etc. I'mby no means believing IT any less than I did pre-announcement of EC, just making sure you get all the facts since you've been away  Yes , Hellish... rings a bell, do we know somebody by that name?