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[Rifneno]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

I reconize there not technically debunking IT, but anything other then comfirming it is pretty much a tacid admission that it's not true.You may feel differently but that's just my personal opinion.

No. "They're clearly doing the opposite" is not something that can be taken differing personal opinion. "They're clearly doing the opposite" means it's an obvious fact not a personal opinion. Remind me again about our confirmation bias. I could use a laugh.

[Peytl]

Rifneno wrote...

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

I reconize there not technically debunking IT, but anything other then comfirming it is pretty much a tacid admission that it's not true.You may feel differently but that's just my personal opinion.

No. "They're clearly doing the opposite" is not something that can be taken differing personal opinion. "They're clearly doing the opposite" means it's an obvious fact not a personal opinion. Remind me again about our confirmation bias. I could use a laugh.

Just listen to what he says at 8:58, or rather what he doesn't want to say loud. I think it's pretty obvious.

[DoomsdayDevice]

If it's true, and they're not confirming/denying IT, then it's obvious what BW's artistic vision for this game is. They want this to be the first game in history with a Bladerunner type ending.

It'll be hard to pull off, but it might actually be good.

[Darth_Trethon]

Arian Dynas wrote...

The final days of this thread maybe. But someone (Salient I believe) put it quite eloquently.

We are IT. And we will never die.

What Jessica said can be interpreted in plenty of ways and sometimes her comments can be a little diconnected from reality like when she tweeted that the breath scene meant happy ending with party reunion and LI and all that. I have nothing against her really, all the trolls and crazies on the internet tweeting and messaging you insane stuff not to mention the insanely bussy schedule reading all of that would make anyone a little off. With that said I do think it's important to take everything they say with a grain of salt.

I mean so far in the past day or so since the announcement they have gone out of their way to make sure that they say absolutely nothing.....even the pictures don't really show much at all. This can mean absolutely anything from them keeping relatively quiet because the EC brings nothing but BS(and this is the theory most are subscribing to right now) to the EC being so insanely amazing that they don't want to spoil the surprise that our xbox/ps3/pc will get up, walk to the kitchen and bake us a cake after the credits roll.....but I mostly think they are just afraid of saying anything because they have no idea how it will be received even if they did really listen and anctually, really did fix plotholes.

They were bussy providing small responses earlier but now they seem to have blacked out communications...hard to say what is going down over there and who they are really talking to with this announcement. If they are aiming all this to be seen by the investors and critics then they sure would not admit to the slightest tiny grain of fault no matter how obvious it may be to all that you did mess up insanely.

[Rifneno]

Arian Dynas wrote...

The final days of this thread maybe. But someone (Salient I believe) put it quite eloquently.

We are IT. And we will never die.

I don't want IT to live forever. I want IT to be confirmed or killed. Because until either one of those happens, we don't have an ending. I think five years is a sufficient amount of time to have waited to see how the Reaper threat ends. "This a trilogy," they've said since day one. The third installment is over. I want to see the main story arc concluded. I don't think that's unreasonable.

MaximizedAction wrote...

I somehow believe Jessica's tweets that the EC won't tackle IT at all. So I don't really think that the EC will provide anything more than even more speculative material for us.

That is also backed up by your awesome theory of BW's year-plan, which, just as IT, makes absolute sense.

But if she didn't tell the truth, and the EC will give us insight into indoctrination, well, then someone will still have to fight off the total anti-IT troll apocalypse.

So it's not over yet.

I still don't buy it. What was the purpose of EC if they leave IT up in the air? They've supposedly busted their humps for the past three months on this. Without IT confirmed or killed it accomplishes nothing. Because while I have all the respect in the world for Bioware's Mass Effect's writers, they're not miracle workers. They can't make the literal ending make sense. It simply can't be done. Synthesis is just too immensely retarded, nevermind the "I sent synthetics to kill you so you don't get killed by synthetics" parody of logic. So what was the purpose of EC? It won't satisfy most of the upset fans because it won't provide an intelligent ending. It can't. As so many people have said since we started this, indoctrination is the only way to salvage this train wreck.

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

If it's true, and they're not confirming/denying IT, then it's obvious what BW's artistic vision for this game is. They want this to be the first game in history with a Bladerunner type ending.

It'll be hard to pull off, but it might actually be good.

No. There's two major differences with this versus the Bladerunner thing. First, the writers kept Deckard as a mystery because there was a moral lesson to it. If we can't tell whether he's a replicant without being explicitly told, then you're supposed to ask yourself what the difference between a human and a replicant really is. Second, and much more importantly, the fate of all advanced life in the galaxy did not depend on Deckard's anatomy. If Shepard is being indoctrinated then the Crucible never really defeated the Reapers. Which means they're still murdering people by the millions. That's not an acceptable ending, that's not an ending at all.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Rifneno wrote...

No. There's two major differences with this versus the Bladerunner thing. First, the writers kept Deckard as a mystery because there was a moral lesson to it. If we can't tell whether he's a replicant without being explicitly told, then you're supposed to ask yourself what the difference between a human and a replicant really is. Second, and much more importantly, the fate of all advanced life in the galaxy did not depend on Deckard's anatomy. If Shepard is being indoctrinated then the Crucible never really defeated the Reapers. Which means they're still murdering people by the millions. That's not an acceptable ending, that's not an ending at all.

Yeah, you're right about Bladerunner. And I really can't think of an ambiguous scenario in which Shepard defeats indoc, so I'm going to have to agree with you on this.

TBH, I will be really surprised if IT isn't confirmed, actually. It's just the tweet that is giving me headaches.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 24 juin 2012 - 02:59 .

[TSA_383]

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The final days of this thread maybe. But someone (Salient I believe) put it quite eloquently.

We are IT. And we will never die.

I don't want IT to live forever. I want IT to be confirmed or killed. Because until either one of those happens, we don't have an ending. I think five years is a sufficient amount of time to have waited to see how the Reaper threat ends. "This a trilogy," they've said since day one. The third installment is over. I want to see the main story arc concluded. I don't think that's unreasonable.

This.
Whilst I would love there to be future games featuring the "mass effect universe" and perhaps some of the characters, I think it's time for a bit of closure to this story, one way or the other.

But we'll see on tuesday. For now, i think they're holding their cards so close to the chest they actually may be classed as implants.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I blame Jess for all this. xD

[OdanUrr]

Arian Dynas wrote...

The final days of this thread maybe. But someone (Salient I believe) put it quite eloquently.

We are IT. And we will never die.

Creepy.

[MaximizedAction]

Rifneno wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

I somehow believe Jessica's tweets that the EC won't tackle IT at all. So I don't really think that the EC will provide anything more than even more speculative material for us.

That is also backed up by your awesome theory of BW's year-plan, which, just as IT, makes absolute sense.

But if she didn't tell the truth, and the EC will give us insight into indoctrination, well, then someone will still have to fight off the total anti-IT troll apocalypse.

So it's not over yet.

I still don't buy it. What was the purpose of EC if they leave IT up in the air? They've supposedly busted their humps for the past three months on this. Without IT confirmed or killed it accomplishes nothing. Because while I have all the respect in the world for Bioware's Mass Effect's writers, they're not miracle workers. They can't make the literal ending make sense. It simply can't be done. Synthesis is just too immensely retarded, nevermind the "I sent synthetics to kill you so you don't get killed by synthetics" parody of logic. So what was the purpose of EC? It won't satisfy most of the upset fans because it won't provide an intelligent ending. It can't. As so many people have said since we started this, indoctrination is the only way to salvage this train wreck.

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

If it's true, and they're not confirming/denying IT, then it's obvious what BW's artistic vision for this game is. They want this to be the first game in history with a Bladerunner type ending.

It'll be hard to pull off, but it might actually be good.

No. There's two major differences with this versus the Bladerunner thing. First, the writers kept Deckard as a mystery because there was a moral lesson to it. If we can't tell whether he's a replicant without being explicitly told, then you're supposed to ask yourself what the difference between a human and a replicant really is. Second, and much more importantly, the fate of all advanced life in the galaxy did not depend on Deckard's anatomy. If Shepard is being indoctrinated then the Crucible never really defeated the Reapers. Which means they're still murdering people by the millions. That's not an acceptable ending, that's not an ending at all.

That last paragraph of yours:

What do we actually mean by 'IT' and what do BW (Chris, Jessica, etc.) mean by it? The important difference regarding their confirmations is:
If by 'IT' Jessica's tweet meant, that Shepard completely hallucinated the last 5 min and nothing of that we saw did really happen, then the war isn't over yet. This means, that eventually, to end the trilogy, they need to confirm it rather sooner than later. Maybe with the very last ME3 DLC.

If, however, by 'IT' she meant, that Shepard was being indoctrinated, BUT his decision DID trigger something that ended the war, then BW can completely pull a Blade Runner. Because, then, the war is indeed over, and the trilogy has an end. Maybe the end of the war looked a bit different from what Shepard was hallucinating, but it's over.

So whether they have to confirm or IT or not depends on whether Shepard's decision at the ending did defeat the Reapers or not. And that we don't really now. Yes, we saw a breath scene, but we don't know whether the Reapers are completely defeated -- that gunfire in the background could be residual Reaper forces.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 24 juin 2012 - 03:03 .

[Darth_Trethon]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

No. There's two major differences with this versus the Bladerunner thing. First, the writers kept Deckard as a mystery because there was a moral lesson to it. If we can't tell whether he's a replicant without being explicitly told, then you're supposed to ask yourself what the difference between a human and a replicant really is. Second, and much more importantly, the fate of all advanced life in the galaxy did not depend on Deckard's anatomy. If Shepard is being indoctrinated then the Crucible never really defeated the Reapers. Which means they're still murdering people by the millions. That's not an acceptable ending, that's not an ending at all.

Yeah, you're right about Bladerunner. And I really can't think of an ambiguous scenario in which Shepard defeats indoc, so I'm going to have to agree with you on this.

TBH, I will be really surprised if IT isn't confirmed, actually. It's just the tweet that is giving me headaches.

Read what I said above about Jessica's tweets. At one point she even suggested the SR2 might have crashed somwere on earth until someone pointed out the huge moons in the sky and in another tweet she was telling people that a perfectly happy ending is possible in ME3 referring to the original release not the EC.....all derived from a mountain on assumptions based on the breath scene

Now to be perfectly clear I have nothing against Jessica at all and I certainly respect her....I am actually surprised she can maintain a semblance of sanity given all the insane internet abuse she has to deal with all day every day but a small effect of all that is that her comments canbe quite a bit off from what is there.

[TSA_383]

Must...not...troll...

http://social.biowar...ndex/12724667/1

ReggarBlane wrote...

In science, "evidence" based on sloppy work makes the "theory" based on that "evidence" equally sloppy, no matter how well someone states it.

The same applies here. IT is currently based on nothing more than coincidences left behind by sloppy editing.

[lex0r11]

[Darth_Trethon]

TSA_383 wrote...

Must...not...troll...

http://social.biowar...ndex/12724667/1

ReggarBlane wrote...

In science, "evidence" based on sloppy work makes the "theory" based on that "evidence" equally sloppy, no matter how well someone states it.

The same applies here. IT is currently based on nothing more than coincidences left behind by sloppy editing.

But the question is whether we can hope for anything better in terms of an ending that has some semblence of logical reasoning without completely scrapping Priority Earth and the aftermath completely and replacing them with something else wich is more than clear will not happen.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 24 juin 2012 - 03:12 .

[Andromidius]

Peytl wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

I reconize there not technically debunking IT, but anything other then comfirming it is pretty much a tacid admission that it's not true.You may feel differently but that's just my personal opinion.

No. "They're clearly doing the opposite" is not something that can be taken differing personal opinion. "They're clearly doing the opposite" means it's an obvious fact not a personal opinion. Remind me again about our confirmation bias. I could use a laugh.

Just listen to what he says at 8:58, or rather what he doesn't want to say loud. I think it's pretty obvious.

I heard if you repeat something often enough, eventually it becomes true!

[UrgedDuke]

It sucks that I won't be able to play the EC until late tuesday night and I guess I'll have to stay of this forum too since you guys might spoil it

[Dwailing]

UrgedDuke wrote...

It sucks that I won't be able to play the EC until late tuesday night and I guess I'll have to stay of this forum too since you guys might spoil it

Well, I wish you good luck.  I think I'm going to be getting up around 7:00 a.m. to play it.  Yeah, I'm dedicated.  Or nuts.

Also, hi lex0r.

Modifié par Dwailing, 24 juin 2012 - 03:24 .

[boeloe]

lex0r11 wrote...

I'm not scared, I think I defeated her at the at of Throne of Bhaal

[UrgedDuke]

Dwailing wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

It sucks that I won't be able to play the EC until late tuesday night and I guess I'll have to stay of this forum too since you guys might spoil it

Well, I wish you good luck.  I think I'm going to be getting up around 7:00 a.m. to play it.  Yeah, I'm dedicated.  Or nuts.

Also, hi lex0r.

I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst

[boeloe]

Rifneno wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The final days of this thread maybe. But someone (Salient I believe) put it quite eloquently.

We are IT. And we will never die.

I don't want IT to live forever. I want IT to be confirmed or killed. Because until either one of those happens, we don't have an ending. I think five years is a sufficient amount of time to have waited to see how the Reaper threat ends. "This a trilogy," they've said since day one. The third installment is over. I want to see the main story arc concluded. I don't think that's unreasonable.

MaximizedAction wrote...

I somehow believe Jessica's tweets that the EC won't tackle IT at all. So I don't really think that the EC will provide anything more than even more speculative material for us.

That is also backed up by your awesome theory of BW's year-plan, which, just as IT, makes absolute sense.

But if she didn't tell the truth, and the EC will give us insight into indoctrination, well, then someone will still have to fight off the total anti-IT troll apocalypse.

So it's not over yet.

I still don't buy it. What was the purpose of EC if they leave IT up in the air? They've supposedly busted their humps for the past three months on this. Without IT confirmed or killed it accomplishes nothing. Because while I have all the respect in the world for Bioware's Mass Effect's writers, they're not miracle workers. They can't make the literal ending make sense. It simply can't be done. Synthesis is just too immensely retarded, nevermind the "I sent synthetics to kill you so you don't get killed by synthetics" parody of logic. So what was the purpose of EC? It won't satisfy most of the upset fans because it won't provide an intelligent ending. It can't. As so many people have said since we started this, indoctrination is the only way to salvage this train wreck.

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

If it's true, and they're not confirming/denying IT, then it's obvious what BW's artistic vision for this game is. They want this to be the first game in history with a Bladerunner type ending.

It'll be hard to pull off, but it might actually be good.

No. There's two major differences with this versus the Bladerunner thing. First, the writers kept Deckard as a mystery because there was a moral lesson to it. If we can't tell whether he's a replicant without being explicitly told, then you're supposed to ask yourself what the difference between a human and a replicant really is. Second, and much more importantly, the fate of all advanced life in the galaxy did not depend on Deckard's anatomy. If Shepard is being indoctrinated then the Crucible never really defeated the Reapers. Which means they're still murdering people by the millions. That's not an acceptable ending, that's not an ending at all.

This. For god's sake THIS!

[Rifneno]

MaximizedAction wrote...

That last paragraph of yours:

What do we actually mean by 'IT' and what do BW (Chris, Jessica, etc.) mean by it? The important difference regarding their confirmations is:
If by 'IT' Jessica's tweet meant, that Shepard completely hallucinated the last 5 min and nothing of that we saw did really happen, then the war isn't over yet. This means, that eventually, to end the trilogy, they need to confirm it rather sooner than later. Maybe with the very last ME3 DLC.

If, however, by 'IT' she meant, that Shepard was being indoctrinated, BUT his decision DID trigger something that ended the war, then BW can completely pull a Blade Runner. Because, then, the war is indeed over, and the trilogy has an end. Maybe the end of the war looked a bit different from what Shepard was hallucinating, but it's over.

So whether they have to confirm or IT or not depends on whether Shepard's decision at the ending did defeat the Reapers or not. And that we don't really now. Yes, we saw a breath scene, but we don't know whether the Reapers are completely defeated -- that gunfire in the background could be residual Reaper forces.

That depends on the Crucible being completely on the up and up though. And pretty much every discussion we've had on the thing results in an almost unanimous "yeah that thing has got to be a Reaper toy."

lex0r11 wrote...

Lex0r, with all due respect, that's the least appropriate picture you could possibly post. That right there is the problem. She's given us such incredibly bad info before that we don't even know if we can believe her when she's saying something clear and decisive about an upcoming release. The Jessica Merizan fan club has sailed and slammed into an iceberg a long time ago.

boeloe wrote...

I'm not scared, I think I defeated her at the at of Throne of Bhaal

Wow, low blow.

[Darth_Trethon]

^^^I agree that we can't really know whether what she's saying has any connection to what there actually is but it terms of a fan club I don't think many really blame her or hold any of this mess against her. I sure don't...I don't think it's fair that she has to deal with and be exposed to all the negativity that has come out of something she's not responsible for. Drag Casey Hudson and Mac Walters and make them read every bad thing and all the reactions from the source and make them compile reports on all that.

[lex0r11]

[nightcobra]

 i have my links prepared for tuesday

EC = good 


EC = bad

[llbountyhunter]

Peytl wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

I reconize there not technically debunking IT, but anything other then comfirming it is pretty much a tacid admission that it's not true.You may feel differently but that's just my personal opinion.

No. "They're clearly doing the opposite" is not something that can be taken differing personal opinion. "They're clearly doing the opposite" means it's an obvious fact not a personal opinion. Remind me again about our confirmation bias. I could use a laugh.

Just listen to what he says at 8:58, or rather what he doesn't want to say loud. I think it's pretty obvious.

? He said he doesnt want people who want the endings changed and altered to fit unrealistic scenarios... same thing theyve said since march.


IT doesnt change the endings. It takes whats already there and nakes it shine.