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[v0rt3x22]

Taco Del Marr wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I feel so lonely with my thoughts on IT =P

  Your not alone.  There are some people who still have faith.  I'm here for ya. 

It's like I can't open my mouth anymore before getting shot down.

I really get pissed nowadays - because all I'm hearing from people that don't support IT - is that they think its too smart of a concept for BioWare.

I don't see how I can take these people serious anymore...

I think IT was planned all along - and I'm one of the few people who loved the ending for that assumption.

For the longest time I was convinced that IT was planned from the beginning, and it I expected bioware to have some intelligent or reveal to the game as they have shown so capably in the past.

The only thing that has given me pause of doubt has been the strange offical responses, but I remain hopeful.

what strange official responses?

[MegumiAzusa]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne are you going to add IT documentation part two to the front page?

Huh, hadnt realized it was out.

Adding now.

How can he say Vendetta didn't detect Shepard is indoctrinated because she isn't yet and then go on saying the VIs are fallible in detecting indoctrination? Tis guy doesn't make any sense. Saren was already very well indoctrinated on Virmire and still had hesitations.

prothean VIs can detect indocrinated individuals, though they're not perfect so some might fly under the radar.
however shepard isn't indocrinated at that point in time so there's a 0% chance of the prothean VI detecting anything unusual about shepard.

You can't be sure about that, that's the problem here, but he states it as a fact.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Okay guys. I have finished watching Clever Noob's part 2 documentary. I am eager to discuss it with you guys. Without revealing anything, I want to say I am satisfied that he knocked it out of the frakkin park, even though I only disagree with him on one point, which I will talk about later once more people have watched it.

Seriously, he hit a home run though. It's gorgeous. I only wish he had included some of our recent infrasonic evidence. That's the only spoiler I'll give you.

Was that one point the first one he made?  That one I disagree with (so far), but otherwise he seems spot on.  Even if he's being a bit generous to the anti-crowd by not confirming certaint things (he even admits that himself).

[masster blaster]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne are you going to add IT documentation part two to the front page?

Huh, hadnt realized it was out.

Adding now.

How can he say Vendetta didn't detect Shepard is indoctrinated because she isn't yet and then go on saying the VIs are fallible in detecting indoctrination? Tis guy doesn't make any sense.

Just combining two possible explanations for the VI not detecting indoctrination. Even if Shepard WAS fully indoctrinated, they might fail to detect it.

The problem with that is he says that if Shep was already fully indoctrinated she would just serve the Reapers instead of heaving a fight in her head, which is disproven by Seran at multiple occasions where he hesitated and later killed himself, and TIM who later killed himself.

But that's it why tell Shepard that he, or she is indcotrinated. That deffets the purpose of the story because we would know it was going to happen in the end of tehegame. Am I right or wrong.

Modifié par masster blaster, 24 juin 2012 - 09:06 .

[BatmanTurian]

FellishBeast wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

See that guy I quoted first? THAT'S why I am waiting, waiting so patiently, to rub this IT nonsense down your throats. I don't care if that makes me a bad, little or POS person, I am going to LOVE IT. 

Come Tuesday, it's time for fun. 

MassEffected555 wrote...

Thanks for responding, I can add your name to the list.

No.  User banned.

Totally cool. Thank you.

I'm glad the mods became more proactive. Not that they weren't proactive before, it's just that they're more closely monitoring the boards now for this obnoxious nonsense.

Maybe someone reported them? 

yes, the report function seems to have been fixed, much to the chagrin of trolls.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne are you going to add IT documentation part two to the front page?

Huh, hadnt realized it was out.

Adding now.

How can he say Vendetta didn't detect Shepard is indoctrinated because she isn't yet and then go on saying the VIs are fallible in detecting indoctrination? Tis guy doesn't make any sense. Saren was already very well indoctrinated on Virmire and still had hesitations.

prothean VIs can detect indocrinated individuals, though they're not perfect so some might fly under the radar.
however shepard isn't indocrinated at that point in time so there's a 0% chance of the prothean VI detecting anything unusual about shepard.

You can't be sure about that, that's the problem here, but he states it as a fact.

Hey, you can't be sure about anyting IT-related. It's just too exhausting to always add "maybe..." or "in my opinion" to everything.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I feel so lonely with my thoughts on IT =P

  Your not alone.  There are some people who still have faith.  I'm here for ya. 

It's like I can't open my mouth anymore before getting shot down.

I really get pissed nowadays - because all I'm hearing from people that don't support IT - is that they think its too smart of a concept for BioWare.

I don't see how I can take these people serious anymore...

I think IT was planned all along - and I'm one of the few people who loved the ending for that assumption.

The ending was intended. watch


And the fire of hope will rise again. You'll see.

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Okay guys. I have finished watching Clever Noob's part 2 documentary. I am eager to discuss it with you guys. Without revealing anything, I want to say I am satisfied that he knocked it out of the frakkin park, even though I only disagree with him on one point, which I will talk about later once more people have watched it.

Seriously, he hit a home run though. It's gorgeous. I only wish he had included some of our recent infrasonic evidence. That's the only spoiler I'll give you.

Was that one point the first one he made?  That one I disagree with (so far), but otherwise he seems spot on.  Even if he's being a bit generous to the anti-crowd by not confirming certaint things (he even admits that himself).

No it's in the middle. I'll go ahead with spoilers if it's okay, but if not I don't want to go into any detail yet until people have watched it and formed their own opinions. I don't want to tick people off with spoilers.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 juin 2012 - 09:06 .

[Big G13]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

See that guy I quoted first? THAT'S why I am waiting, waiting so patiently, to rub this IT nonsense down your throats. I don't care if that makes me a bad, little or POS person, I am going to LOVE IT. 

Come Tuesday, it's time for fun. 

MassEffected555 wrote...

Thanks for responding, I can add your name to the list.

No.  User banned.

Totally cool. Thank you.

I'm glad the mods became more proactive. Not that they weren't proactive before, it's just that they're more closely monitoring the boards now for this obnoxious nonsense.

Makes me feel alot better. I don't post that much but that doesn't make the trolls any less annoying. And I'm not nearly as clever or patient as most of you so it's nice to know there is someone out there who has the ability to just make them go away.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

No it's in the middle. I'll go ahead with spoilers if it's okay, but if not I don't want to go into any detail yet until people have watched it and formed their own opinions. I don't want to tick people off with spoilers.

Ah okay.  I'll keep watching, but I'm sure I'll disagree with other points.  No-one shares the same opinions 100%.

[Rifneno]

infinite_regress wrote...

This may be a silly question, but why are some ITers claiming they will pack their bags if IT isn't shown to be true in the EC? Is there no possibility that if nothing in the EC clearly states that Shep is indoctrinated/in the process of indoctrination, that it could simply point to the idea even more? As in, provide more evidence (or more strongly indicate that you all have been on the right track) in support of IT but that we will have to wait once again for the truth to be fully unveiled at a later date, such as in future DLC?

If I'm totally off the mark, and have missed something important such as a statement that the EC is the be-all-end-all then disregard my question!

Oh it's not that we don't think IT would still be possible. It's that we're not willing to wait another 3 years for Mass Effect 3-2 to finish the story. If we waited 3 and a half months for a huge DLC that's all about the ending and it solves nothing, then it's safe to say we're not getting a real ending anytime soon.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

How can he say Vendetta didn't detect Shepard is indoctrinated because she isn't yet and then go on saying the VIs are fallible in detecting indoctrination? Tis guy doesn't make any sense. Saren was already very well indoctrinated on Virmire and still had hesitations.

[nightcobra]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne are you going to add IT documentation part two to the front page?

Huh, hadnt realized it was out.

Adding now.

How can he say Vendetta didn't detect Shepard is indoctrinated because she isn't yet and then go on saying the VIs are fallible in detecting indoctrination? Tis guy doesn't make any sense. Saren was already very well indoctrinated on Virmire and still had hesitations.

prothean VIs can detect indocrinated individuals, though they're not perfect so some might fly under the radar.
however shepard isn't indocrinated at that point in time so there's a 0% chance of the prothean VI detecting anything unusual about shepard.

You can't be sure about that, that's the problem here, but he states it as a fact.

being indocrinated makes an individual agree with the reapers to some extent and this is a trait absent from shepard's character until the final choice, TIM and saren only shot themselves due to breaking free of the indocrination rather than resisting the indocrination attempt, they only hesitated and took their lives after being repeatedly told and pressured to come to their senses.

[BatmanTurian]

Big G13 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

See that guy I quoted first? THAT'S why I am waiting, waiting so patiently, to rub this IT nonsense down your throats. I don't care if that makes me a bad, little or POS person, I am going to LOVE IT. 

Come Tuesday, it's time for fun. 

MassEffected555 wrote...

Thanks for responding, I can add your name to the list.

No.  User banned.

Totally cool. Thank you.

I'm glad the mods became more proactive. Not that they weren't proactive before, it's just that they're more closely monitoring the boards now for this obnoxious nonsense.

Makes me feel alot better. I don't post that much but that doesn't make the trolls any less annoying. And I'm not nearly as clever or patient as most of you so it's nice to know there is someone out there who has the ability to just make them go away.

You really should post more. I see so many lurkers post so little. We'd love to talk to all of you (at least I would) but I would understand if you're shy even on a message board.

[MegumiAzusa]

masster blaster wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne are you going to add IT documentation part two to the front page?

Huh, hadnt realized it was out.

Adding now.

How can he say Vendetta didn't detect Shepard is indoctrinated because she isn't yet and then go on saying the VIs are fallible in detecting indoctrination? Tis guy doesn't make any sense.

Just combining two possible explanations for the VI not detecting indoctrination. Even if Shepard WAS fully indoctrinated, they might fail to detect it.

The problem with that is he says that if Shep was already fully indoctrinated she would just serve the Reapers instead of heaving a fight in her head, which is disproven by Seran at multiple occasions where he hesitated and later killed himself, and TIM who later killed himself.

But that's it why tell Shepard that he, or she is indcotrinated. That deffets the purpose of the story because we would know it was going to happen in the end of tehegame. Am I right or wrong.

You can't, as I said Saren and TIM had times of hesitation, which makes the end uncertain.

I'm at watching the video right now, so I'm not finished but I like picking it apart without watching it two times

He proceeds with saying the Child looks at the Reaper and that the Reaper is moving and says that the people who believe the Reaper is standing still are wrong. But he doesn't take into account that after about 1 or 1 1/2 minutes the Reaper does in fact stop and wont start moving again, again a very sloppy point which he presents as fact.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Hey guys.. I'm watching the documentary (part 2) right now..

could you have a look at minute 30:45? Shepard is talking with Coates, and in the background.. are those.. pieces of paper, floating from the earth into the sky? o.O

[Domanese]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

So who thinks that "IT" was carefully planned by BioWare all along?

Or am I the only one on these forums who thinks that?

Still thinking it. I have hope.

[MegumiAzusa]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne are you going to add IT documentation part two to the front page?

Huh, hadnt realized it was out.

Adding now.

How can he say Vendetta didn't detect Shepard is indoctrinated because she isn't yet and then go on saying the VIs are fallible in detecting indoctrination? Tis guy doesn't make any sense. Saren was already very well indoctrinated on Virmire and still had hesitations.

prothean VIs can detect indocrinated individuals, though they're not perfect so some might fly under the radar.
however shepard isn't indocrinated at that point in time so there's a 0% chance of the prothean VI detecting anything unusual about shepard.

You can't be sure about that, that's the problem here, but he states it as a fact.

Hey, you can't be sure about anyting IT-related. It's just too exhausting to always add "maybe..." or "in my opinion" to everything.

He uses it as fact to make another point, which is bad in itself and the problem. Just saying Shep isn't indoctrinated there would have been okayish, but using it to make a new point is just bad, especially if the point in question has multiple examples that counter it.

[BatmanTurian]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Hey guys.. I'm watching the documentary (part 2) right now..

could you have a look at minute 30:45? Shepard is talking with Coates, and in the background.. are those.. pieces of paper, floating from the earth into the sky? o.O

Weird, but I chalk it up to ambient wind effects. We see enough epileptic trees as it is.

[TJBartlemus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

See that guy I quoted first? THAT'S why I am waiting, waiting so patiently, to rub this IT nonsense down your throats. I don't care if that makes me a bad, little or POS person, I am going to LOVE IT. 

Come Tuesday, it's time for fun. 

MassEffected555 wrote...

Thanks for responding, I can add your name to the list.

No.  User banned.

Totally cool. Thank you.

I'm glad the mods became more proactive. Not that they weren't proactive before, it's just that they're more closely monitoring the boards now for this obnoxious nonsense.

Yes, I agree. Keep up the good work!!!

[MegumiAzusa]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne are you going to add IT documentation part two to the front page?

Huh, hadnt realized it was out.

Adding now.

How can he say Vendetta didn't detect Shepard is indoctrinated because she isn't yet and then go on saying the VIs are fallible in detecting indoctrination? Tis guy doesn't make any sense. Saren was already very well indoctrinated on Virmire and still had hesitations.

prothean VIs can detect indocrinated individuals, though they're not perfect so some might fly under the radar.
however shepard isn't indocrinated at that point in time so there's a 0% chance of the prothean VI detecting anything unusual about shepard.

You can't be sure about that, that's the problem here, but he states it as a fact.

being indocrinated makes an individual agree with the reapers to some extent and this is a trait absent from shepard's character until the final choice, TIM and saren only shot themselves due to breaking free of the indocrination rather than resisting the indocrination attempt, they only hesitated and took their lives after being repeatedly told and pressured to come to their senses.

After many more years of indoctrination I might add. It just cannot support it.

[paxxton]

Whoa! I've been gone for 2 days and you do this! LOL. You honestly don't expect me to read 100+ pages. Have anything worth at least 1 minute of my time happened since I left?  //sarcasm mode on

Modifié par paxxton, 24 juin 2012 - 09:22 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

Just reached the part about how TIM's and Andersons shadows act weird on the citadel. Now I'm studying computer science, and we've done some modeling and some light-shadow-engine stuff. There's no reason for those shadows to behave that weird if not for some extra settings.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

paxxton wrote...

Whoa! I've been gone for 2 days and you do this! LOL. You honestly don't expect me to read 100+ pages. Have anything worth at least 1 minute of my time happened since I left?  //sarcasm mode on

Indoctrination documentary part 2 is out (and interesting)
otherwise, not much

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Byne are you going to add IT documentation part two to the front page?

Huh, hadnt realized it was out.

Adding now.

How can he say Vendetta didn't detect Shepard is indoctrinated because she isn't yet and then go on saying the VIs are fallible in detecting indoctrination? Tis guy doesn't make any sense. Saren was already very well indoctrinated on Virmire and still had hesitations.

prothean VIs can detect indocrinated individuals, though they're not perfect so some might fly under the radar.
however shepard isn't indocrinated at that point in time so there's a 0% chance of the prothean VI detecting anything unusual about shepard.

You can't be sure about that, that's the problem here, but he states it as a fact.

being indocrinated makes an individual agree with the reapers to some extent and this is a trait absent from shepard's character until the final choice, TIM and saren only shot themselves due to breaking free of the indocrination rather than resisting the indocrination attempt, they only hesitated and took their lives after being repeatedly told and pressured to come to their senses.

After many more years of indoctrination I might add. It just cannot support it.

I don't understand your disagreement exactly.

[TJBartlemus]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

being indocrinated makes an individual agree with the reapers to some extent and this is a trait absent from shepard's character until the final choice, TIM and saren only shot themselves due to breaking free of the indocrination rather than resisting the indocrination attempt, they only hesitated and took their lives after being repeatedly told and pressured to come to their senses.

Yes the voices in my head tell me I'm not crazy...

I find the way the Reapers indoctrinate interesting. By using infrasonic noise to implant an idea into your subconsious and then it would manifest itself into seeming like your idea is ingenious and really decietful. Makes me wonder why people think they can trust the leader of the Reapers (starchild) wouldn't lie to them...