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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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BatmanTurian wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

See that guy I quoted first? THAT'S why I am waiting, waiting so patiently, to rub this IT nonsense down your throats. I don't care if that makes me a bad, little or POS person, I am going to LOVE IT. 

Come Tuesday, it's time for fun. 


MassEffected555 wrote...

Thanks for responding, I can add your name to the list.


No.  User banned.

Totally cool. Thank you.:wub::)


I'm glad the mods became more proactive. Not that they weren't proactive before, it's just that they're more closely monitoring the boards now for this obnoxious nonsense.

Makes me feel alot better. I don't post that much but that doesn't make the trolls any less annoying. And I'm not nearly as clever or patient as most of you so it's nice to know there is someone out there who has the ability to just make them go away.


You really should post more. I see so many lurkers post so little. We'd love to talk to all of you (at least I would) but I would understand if you're shy even on a message board.

lol. Never been called shy before. I just can't get complex thoughts typed fast enough to keep up. By the time I get a few lines down my brain is 3 paragraphs past my fingers. Plus, there are plenty of posters in here far better at logic than I. I am content with adding the occasional obscure reference for comedic value. But thanks for the support. You've been around since the beginning of the first thread I think, and I have enjoyed your posts. :)

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paxxton wrote...

Whoa! I've been gone for 2 days and you do this! LOL. You honestly don't expect me to read 100+ pages of which significant chunk is trolls bashing IT.. Have anything worth at least 1 minute of my time happened since I left? Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image //sarcasm mode on


just trolls trolls trolls

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infinite_regress wrote...

This may be a silly question, but why are some ITers claiming they will pack their bags if IT isn't shown to be true in the EC? Is there no possibility that if nothing in the EC clearly states that Shep is indoctrinated/in the process of indoctrination, that it could simply point to the idea even more? As in, provide more evidence (or more strongly indicate that you all have been on the right track) in support of IT but that we will have to wait once again for the truth to be fully unveiled at a later date, such as in future DLC?

If I'm totally off the mark, and have missed something important such as a statement that the EC is the be-all-end-all then disregard my question!


I can only speak for myself, but I want a damn conclusion. I'm sick of it being open ended. IT or not. This crap has to end.

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Big G13 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

See that guy I quoted first? THAT'S why I am waiting, waiting so patiently, to rub this IT nonsense down your throats. I don't care if that makes me a bad, little or POS person, I am going to LOVE IT. 

Come Tuesday, it's time for fun. 


MassEffected555 wrote...

Thanks for responding, I can add your name to the list.


No.  User banned.

Totally cool. Thank you.:wub::)


I'm glad the mods became more proactive. Not that they weren't proactive before, it's just that they're more closely monitoring the boards now for this obnoxious nonsense.

Makes me feel alot better. I don't post that much but that doesn't make the trolls any less annoying. And I'm not nearly as clever or patient as most of you so it's nice to know there is someone out there who has the ability to just make them go away.


You really should post more. I see so many lurkers post so little. We'd love to talk to all of you (at least I would) but I would understand if you're shy even on a message board.

lol. Never been called shy before. I just can't get complex thoughts typed fast enough to keep up. By the time I get a few lines down my brain is 3 paragraphs past my fingers. Plus, there are plenty of posters in here far better at logic than I. I am content with adding the occasional obscure reference for comedic value. But thanks for the support. You've been around since the beginning of the first thread I think, and I have enjoyed your posts. :)


Well I came in around page 1000 of the first thread. So yeah, I'd say I'm somewhat of a veteran now. I guess. But thanks for the compliment.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 juin 2012 - 09:27 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Whoa! I've been gone for 2 days and you do this! LOL. You honestly don't expect me to read 100+ pages of which significant chunk is trolls bashing IT.. Have anything worth at least 1 minute of my time happened since I left? Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image //sarcasm mode on


just trolls trolls trolls

LOL. Did BioWare by any chance say anything (even vague) about some DLC coming up some day in the Summer?

Modifié par paxxton, 24 juin 2012 - 09:28 .


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Golferguy758 wrote...

infinite_regress wrote...

This may be a silly question, but why are some ITers claiming they will pack their bags if IT isn't shown to be true in the EC? Is there no possibility that if nothing in the EC clearly states that Shep is indoctrinated/in the process of indoctrination, that it could simply point to the idea even more? As in, provide more evidence (or more strongly indicate that you all have been on the right track) in support of IT but that we will have to wait once again for the truth to be fully unveiled at a later date, such as in future DLC?

If I'm totally off the mark, and have missed something important such as a statement that the EC is the be-all-end-all then disregard my question!


I can only speak for myself, but I want a damn conclusion. I'm sick of it being open ended. IT or not. This crap has to end.


Whether or not you believe in IT, the end already is a conclusion.  Either Shep is indoctrinated and the reapers win, or Shep is not indoctrinated and the organics win. . .

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paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Whoa! I've been gone for 2 days and you do this! LOL. You honestly don't expect me to read 100+ pages of which significant chunk is trolls bashing IT.. Have anything worth at least 1 minute of my time happened since I left? Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image //sarcasm mode on


just trolls trolls trolls

LOL. Did BioWare by any chance said anything (even vague) about some DLC coming up some day in the Summer?


Tuesday is EC!!! That's why we've been having a huge trollstorm. 1.9 gigs of awesome (hopefully).

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 juin 2012 - 09:29 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

being indocrinated makes an individual agree with the reapers to some extent and this is a trait absent from shepard's character until the final choice, TIM and saren only shot themselves due to breaking free of the indocrination rather than resisting the indocrination attempt, they only hesitated and took their lives after being repeatedly told and pressured to come to their senses.


Yes the voices in my head tell me I'm not crazy... :P

I find the way the Reapers indoctrinate interesting. By using infrasonic noise to implant an idea into your subconsious and then it would manifest itself into seeming like your idea is ingenious and really decietful. Makes me wonder why people think they can trust the leader of the Reapers (starchild) wouldn't lie to them...


there's that very interesting part in Retribution, where Paul Greyson wants to fight the indoctrination. But the Reapers twist his thoughts in a way that he attempts to fight them in a way that actually benefits them, and he doesn't even notice. Scared me, to be honest.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

I can only speak for myself, but I want a damn conclusion. I'm sick of it being open ended. IT or not. This crap has to end.


Agreed.  We're not asking for something unreasonable.  They told us flat out that we're getting answers to everything, no "LOST" type ending, ect.  We just want them to deliver on what they promised us pre-release.  :(

I've as much faith as ever in IT.  There's just too much compelling evidence for me to believe it's all a coincidence.  But after 5 years, I'm tired of waiting.  I want to see the Reapers destroyed.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

being indocrinated makes an individual agree with the reapers to some extent and this is a trait absent from shepard's character until the final choice, TIM and saren only shot themselves due to breaking free of the indocrination rather than resisting the indocrination attempt, they only hesitated and took their lives after being repeatedly told and pressured to come to their senses.


Yes the voices in my head tell me I'm not crazy... :P

I find the way the Reapers indoctrinate interesting. By using infrasonic noise to implant an idea into your subconsious and then it would manifest itself into seeming like your idea is ingenious and really decietful. Makes me wonder why people think they can trust the leader of the Reapers (starchild) wouldn't lie to them...


there's that very interesting part in Retribution, where Paul Greyson wants to fight the indoctrination. But the Reapers twist his thoughts in a way that he attempts to fight them in a way that actually benefits them, and he doesn't even notice. Scared me, to be honest.


Wow, that totally doesn't sound like ANYTHING familiar *cough* *cough* :whistle:

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Okay, yeah. He tossed aside the Coates idea without actually addressing it properly. That's not good. Is he aware of the more recent discoveries about him?

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BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Whoa! I've been gone for 2 days and you do this! LOL. You honestly don't expect me to read 100+ pages of which significant chunk is trolls bashing IT.. Have anything worth at least 1 minute of my time happened since I left? Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image //sarcasm mode on


just trolls trolls trolls

LOL. Did BioWare by any chance said anything (even vague) about some DLC coming up some day in the Summer?


Tuesday is EC!!! That's why we've been having a huge trollstorm. 1.9 gigs of awesome (hopefully).

No kidding! I have to clean up my 6-year-old PC so that the performance isn't jaggy on Tuesday. Posted ImagePosted Image

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Andromidius wrote...

Okay, yeah. He tossed aside the Coates idea without actually addressing it properly. That's not good. Is he aware of the more recent discoveries about him?


I don't think he is, which is why I was disappointed with that point. But I'm willing to let it slide because the rest is great.

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what will become of this thread after the EC

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Well, Megumi, I guess I DID manage to convince you to come back. I hope that recent speculating has been calm and reasonable.

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Does anybody of you have a picture of Saren with his flying platform thingy? Can't find one on google

also, oh god, deviantart just told me there is Saren/Nihlus fanart
duh... :pinched:

Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 24 juin 2012 - 09:39 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Okay, yeah. He tossed aside the Coates idea without actually addressing it properly. That's not good. Is he aware of the more recent discoveries about him?


I don't think he is, which is why I was disappointed with that point. But I'm willing to let it slide because the rest is great.


I'm okay with it being plausible, since it isn't solid evidence.  But Coates is an interesting character, and it would make sense that he wasn't all he seemed to be.

And also the argument that 'someone has to stay behind'...  Okay, why not Anderson then?  He's an older guy, and the leader of the entire resistance.  Coates is a Major, a field officer - if anything he should be leading the charge!

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Does anybody of you have a picture of Saren with his flying platform thingy? Can't find one on google

You can take a picture screenshot from a YouTube video.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Does anybody of you have a picture of Saren with his flying platform thingy? Can't find one on google


found it in 5 secs.

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Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Okay, yeah. He tossed aside the Coates idea without actually addressing it properly. That's not good. Is he aware of the more recent discoveries about him?


I don't think he is, which is why I was disappointed with that point. But I'm willing to let it slide because the rest is great.


I'm okay with it being plausible, since it isn't solid evidence.  But Coates is an interesting character, and it would make sense that he wasn't all he seemed to be.

And also the argument that 'someone has to stay behind'...  Okay, why not Anderson then?  He's an older guy, and the leader of the entire resistance.  Coates is a Major, a field officer - if anything he should be leading the charge!


Anderson is someone who'd want to be in the thick of it, as I understand from what I've seen of his personality. But yes, Anderson is an admiral and should have stayed behind, which is even more weird when he's on the citadel.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Does anybody of you have a picture of Saren with his flying platform thingy? Can't find one on google


found it in 5 secs.

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how.. how did you even...

I bow to you, master :ph34r:

I thought I had seen the starbinger's floating platform before, but.. yeah.. this is definately not it

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So here is a recent post on twitter by Michael Gamble:

Nikos Tsesmetzis
@Loaderini
@GambleMike
all of the content of the Extended Cut can be seen AFTER the game's
final choice, right? there's nothing before the beam, right?Michael Gamble[/b]

@
GambleMike
@Loaderini there is content before the beam :)

And this just makes my theory sound more and more plausible. So I hope it is more content that can help with my WNT.

I guess at this point everyone is hoping they are right.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 24 juin 2012 - 09:43 .


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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Does anybody of you have a picture of Saren with his flying platform thingy? Can't find one on google


found it in 5 secs.

Posted Image


how.. how did you even...

I bow to you, master :ph34r:

I thought I had seen the starbinger's floating platform before, but.. yeah.. this is definately not it

One day my netfu will be weak and then you will be the master. :ph34r:

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Andromidius wrote...

Okay, yeah. He tossed aside the Coates idea without actually addressing it properly. That's not good. Is he aware of the more recent discoveries about him?


I assume my infrasound research didn't make the cut then? ;)

thisisme8 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

infinite_regress wrote...

This
may be a silly question, but why are some ITers claiming they will pack
their bags if IT isn't shown to be true in the EC? Is there no
possibility that if nothing in the EC clearly states that Shep is
indoctrinated/in the process of indoctrination, that it could simply
point to the idea even more? As in, provide more evidence (or more
strongly indicate that you all have been on the right track) in support
of IT but that we will have to wait once again for the truth to be fully
unveiled at a later date, such as in future DLC?

If I'm totally
off the mark, and have missed something important such as a statement
that the EC is the be-all-end-all then disregard my question!


I can only speak for myself, but I want a damn conclusion. I'm sick of it being open ended. IT or not. This crap has to end.


Whether
or not you believe in IT, the end already is a conclusion.  Either Shep
is indoctrinated and the reapers win, or Shep is not indoctrinated and
the organics win. . .

Not really, if shep breaks free of indoctrination, there's still a war to finish :?

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just reached the part about how
TIM's and Andersons shadows act weird on the citadel. Now I'm studying
computer science, and we've done some modeling and some
light-shadow-engine stuff. There's no reason for those shadows to behave
that weird if not for some extra settings.

You can find all the shadowmap files in Umodel but I don't have anything to read them with - but yeah, the shadow maps change from scene to scene - throughout the citadel sequence there are loads of such little subtle tweaks in lighting and such - have you ever tried turning around in the bloody keeper corridor when you reach the end of it?

Also folks, decided that I'm going to try slowing down the bits from the start and end of the prothean visions and put those on youtube - I remember seeing stuff of interest there ;)

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TJBartlemus wrote...

So here is a recent post on twitter by Michael Gamble:

Nikos Tsesmetzis
@Loaderini
@GambleMike
all of the content of the Extended Cut can be seen AFTER the game's
final choice, right? there's nothing before the beam, right?Michael Gamble[/b]

@
GambleMike
@Loaderini there is content before the beam :)

And this just makes my theory sound more and more plausible. So I hope it is more content that can help with my WNT.

I guess at this point everyone is hoping they are right.


Especially the Anti-IT's, who believe we are Kai Leng eating their cereal and peeing in their vases.