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#27276
Andromidius

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Not nervous, impatiently excited.

I might even go back on my 'wait and see what everyone else says first' promise, and just go play it anyway and make up my own mind. And then come see what everyone else said.

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Golferguy758

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Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?

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UrgedDuke wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?


I am, but only because I fear for the worst


Well, to my mind, the only thing that could be worse than the thing we have now, is the introduction of the infamous rainbow-coloured ending (or a purple coloured one). Everything else would be crap, too - but not of worse quality than the crap we have now ;)

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UrgedDuke

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well guys I have to leave for a few days, so I guess that I will talk to you guys after I play the EC. (if I'm not too upset with it) Whatever happens tho, it's been an honor speculating with you all *hugz all around*

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?


Why? What do I have to lose? The respect of people I don't even know or care about? Oh no, that would be terrible!:o




<_<

Memories of possibly hundreds of hours of gametime? I didn't have respect in mind when I made the post. Just personal anticipation.

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Golferguy758

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?


Why? What do I have to lose? The respect of people I don't even know or care about? Oh no, that would be terrible!:o




<_<


But how can you get by thinking that strangers who seem to think that having a different view on the ending is equivalent to pissing in their cheerios?

Also, I think Florida is going to float away soon because of this tropical storm. It's right above my home.

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Just remembered.. a few days before the release, I was watching some ME-related stuff on youtube, and somebody tried to troll and apparently spoiled the ending. He said that at the end of ME3 you would upload a virus into the "reaper king" (guess he meant Harby) and then the other reapers would get disorientated. At the time I was like "FUUUUUUUUUU" but.. yeah.. he probably just tried to be cool...
or he knew something we don't.. DUN DUN DUUUUN

no really, I think he was just trolling.

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When breezing through the London mission, I'mma turn up Suicide Mission OST so high yo.

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Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?


Nah.  I have my own personal interpretation(s) of what I've seen, based on the intended narrative proper, and they'll remain as such until BioWare offers something otherwise.

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I have a question - I'm just watching IT Doc Part 1 again before Part 2.

I'm just brainstorming about the entire last 20 minutes of the game being indoc. attempts - and everything is actually going on in Shepard's mind.

Now I agree with all of this - but here's the thing: What does that make the crucible?

On the main Mass Effect wiki it states:

"It is unknown who initially began the development of the Crucible."

And why would a device - which was designed to counter the reapers - have options to control them or form an alliance with them - in the first place?

It seems to me that the logical course of action in breaking a cycle in which civilization is destroyed over and over again - it would require the destruction of the reapers (which is why I also believe destruction is the only true ending).

But then why create a device which could also do other things?

I'm starting to form another theory here - that the crucible is actually a lie.

Perhaps - even created by the Reapers.

Legion says something similar in ME2: The geth created a fabrication about stars which a group of people believed to be proof of their gods.

It was a social experiment that the geth ran.

I could very well see the same thing being done with the crucible.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

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Oh my gosh, @ about 34 mins he says if you got low EMS you see your dead squadmates and later see them walk out of the Normandy... didn't he ever watch a low EMS video? No one gets out with low EMS...


well, there's kinda low EMS, and there's very low EMS. With very low EMS, yeah, nobody gets out. With middle EMS, he's right.

I've never once seen a dead crewmember coming out.


Oh, believe me, it has been known to happen.

It's also stated that for some EDI came out in Destroy, for which the most plausible thing to say is it's a bug because it only occurs for a very small minority. For dead people coming out of the Normandy with medium-low EMS, if true, the most reasonable explanation would be that they just missed to set the dead boolean for them, resulting in this. Similar to the missing check if Tali is dead or alive right before the attack on Cronos Station.

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TSA_383 wrote...

If you want, you can faithfully recreate the experience of reading 80 pages of mostly trolling by smashing your face repeatedly onto a desk or a wall until you feel suitably brain-damaged.


Well, there was my (not so significant) notion about resemblance between Alliance Cruiser and structural objects where the "1M1" is labeled into. But everyone was seemingly busy feeding the trolls and arguing with the literalist for the thousanth time. Oh well.

Modifié par Humakt83, 24 juin 2012 - 10:05 .


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Earthborn_Shepard

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Oh my gosh, @ about 34 mins he says if you got low EMS you see your dead squadmates and later see them walk out of the Normandy... didn't he ever watch a low EMS video? No one gets out with low EMS...


well, there's kinda low EMS, and there's very low EMS. With very low EMS, yeah, nobody gets out. With middle EMS, he's right.

I've never once seen a dead crewmember coming out.


Oh, believe me, it has been known to happen.

It's also stated that for some EDI came out in Destroy, for which the most plausible thing to say is it's a bug because it only occurs for a very small minority. For dead people coming out of the Normandy with medium-low EMS, if true, the most reasonable explanation would be that they just missed to set the dead boolean for them, resulting in this. Similar to the missing check if Tali is dead or alive right before the attack on Cronos Station.


I'm actually ok with explaining SOME things as technical oversights, but you're suggesting that the entirity of Bioware programmers and testing guys just went full retard.

What's that thing about Tali though?

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Okay, now he's being skeptical about the gun transformation and referring to it as a 'design oversight'. Erm, no. Doesn't work that way - it would if it was a different gun in a different shot or scene, not in the same frame!

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just remembered.. a few days before the release, I was watching some ME-related stuff on youtube, and somebody tried to troll and apparently spoiled the ending. He said that at the end of ME3 you would upload a virus into the "reaper king" (guess he meant Harby) and then the other reapers would get disorientated. At the time I was like "FUUUUUUUUUU" but.. yeah.. he probably just tried to be cool...
or he knew something we don't.. DUN DUN DUUUUN

no really, I think he was just trolling.

I actually think that makes more sense than the other endings, that would mean an easy incorporation of a boss fight. I think the idea itself is overused and would rather many more ending variants but it's better than the one we're given.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Oh my gosh, @ about 34 mins he says if you got low EMS you see your dead squadmates and later see them walk out of the Normandy... didn't he ever watch a low EMS video? No one gets out with low EMS...


well, there's kinda low EMS, and there's very low EMS. With very low EMS, yeah, nobody gets out. With middle EMS, he's right.

I've never once seen a dead crewmember coming out.


Oh, believe me, it has been known to happen.

It's also stated that for some EDI came out in Destroy, for which the most plausible thing to say is it's a bug because it only occurs for a very small minority. For dead people coming out of the Normandy with medium-low EMS, if true, the most reasonable explanation would be that they just missed to set the dead boolean for them, resulting in this. Similar to the missing check if Tali is dead or alive right before the attack on Cronos Station.


merizan did say that EDI surviving on destroy is not a bug, it's in the video you're seeing right now.;)

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Malanek999 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?


Why? What do I have to lose? The respect of people I don't even know or care about? Oh no, that would be terrible!:o




<_<

Memories of possibly hundreds of hours of gametime? I didn't have respect in mind when I made the post. Just personal anticipation.


if the ending is bad, it won't mess up the games for me. I really like the Mass Effect universe.

#27293
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Golferguy758 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?


Why? What do I have to lose? The respect of people I don't even know or care about? Oh no, that would be terrible!:o




<_<


But how can you get by thinking that strangers who seem to think that having a different view on the ending is equivalent to pissing in their cheerios?

Also, I think Florida is going to float away soon because of this tropical storm. It's right above my home.

Tropical storm isn't much. hurricanes or typhoons are what to be afraid of. But I hope you and your family will be safe.

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hmm no ones answering me

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Oh dear. Now he's debunking the tree reflections as being a 'design oversight' caused by rushing...

He really needed to peer review his script.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Oh my gosh, @ about 34 mins he says if you got low EMS you see your dead squadmates and later see them walk out of the Normandy... didn't he ever watch a low EMS video? No one gets out with low EMS...


well, there's kinda low EMS, and there's very low EMS. With very low EMS, yeah, nobody gets out. With middle EMS, he's right.

I've never once seen a dead crewmember coming out.


Oh, believe me, it has been known to happen.

It's also stated that for some EDI came out in Destroy, for which the most plausible thing to say is it's a bug because it only occurs for a very small minority. For dead people coming out of the Normandy with medium-low EMS, if true, the most reasonable explanation would be that they just missed to set the dead boolean for them, resulting in this. Similar to the missing check if Tali is dead or alive right before the attack on Cronos Station.


I'm actually ok with explaining SOME things as technical oversights, but you're suggesting that the entirity of Bioware programmers and testing guys just went full retard.

What's that thing about Tali though?

Uhm medium-low EMS where you see dead crew members and supposedly see them coming out of the Normandy isn't easy to achieve, the min/max EMS for that would be pretty close together. Not setting a bool is hard to miss sometimes. I've got some experience in programming too, and it happened more then once.

For Tali: if you romance her but she dies (either in 2 or 3) she will come into your cabin and might spend the night before the attack with you.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5btNmoapa0emNUdrdf8IbkReWhEx-Yel30beg4t7wQPMYH6teOMIlQuNMbQ



YES! Golferguy is back!


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@UrgedDuke (Gives bro-hug and salute) It's been an honor. See you on the other side.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

I have a question - I'm just watching IT Doc Part 1 again before Part 2.

I'm just brainstorming about the entire last 20 minutes of the game being indoc. attempts - and everything is actually going on in Shepard's mind.

Now I agree with all of this - but here's the thing: What does that make the crucible?

On the main Mass Effect wiki it states:

"It is unknown who initially began the development of the Crucible."

And why would a device - which was designed to counter the reapers - have options to control them or form an alliance with them - in the first place?

It seems to me that the logical course of action in breaking a cycle in which civilization is destroyed over and over again - it would require the destruction of the reapers (which is why I also believe destruction is the only true ending).

But then why create a device which could also do other things?

I'm starting to form another theory here - that the crucible is actually a lie.

Perhaps - even created by the Reapers.

Legion says something similar in ME2: The geth created a fabrication about stars which a group of people believed to be proof of their gods.

It was a social experiment that the geth ran.

I could very well see the same thing being done with the crucible.


Yeah, most of us believe the crucible is the equivalent of the Reapers giving organics a hamster wheel to run in right before they crush them with an anvil..

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Andromidius wrote...

Oh dear. Now he's debunking the tree reflections as being a 'design oversight' caused by rushing...

He really needed to peer review his script.


he said it as a possibility, which Can be correct. so plausible was the way to go IMO