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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Andromidius wrote...

Okay, now he's being skeptical about the gun transformation and referring to it as a 'design oversight'. Erm, no. Doesn't work that way - it would if it was a different gun in a different shot or scene, not in the same frame!


Nobody's perfect - I do kinda wish he'd chatted with us in here as there'd be some interesting bouncing of ideas, but the end product as a whole is good and I'm glad he's been a bit critical of things ^_^

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Humakt83 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

If you want, you can faithfully recreate the experience of reading 80 pages of mostly trolling by smashing your face repeatedly onto a desk or a wall until you feel suitably brain-damaged.


Well, there was my (not so significant) notion about resemblance between Alliance Cruiser and structural objects where the "1M1" is labeled into. But everyone was seemingly busy feeding the trolls and arguing with the literalist for the thousanth time. Oh well.


yeah, sorry about that. Sometimes I turn into a bulldog.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

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Oh my gosh, @ about 34 mins he says if you got low EMS you see your dead squadmates and later see them walk out of the Normandy... didn't he ever watch a low EMS video? No one gets out with low EMS...


well, there's kinda low EMS, and there's very low EMS. With very low EMS, yeah, nobody gets out. With middle EMS, he's right.

I've never once seen a dead crewmember coming out.


Oh, believe me, it has been known to happen.

It's also stated that for some EDI came out in Destroy, for which the most plausible thing to say is it's a bug because it only occurs for a very small minority. For dead people coming out of the Normandy with medium-low EMS, if true, the most reasonable explanation would be that they just missed to set the dead boolean for them, resulting in this. Similar to the missing check if Tali is dead or alive right before the attack on Cronos Station.


I'm actually ok with explaining SOME things as technical oversights, but you're suggesting that the entirity of Bioware programmers and testing guys just went full retard.

What's that thing about Tali though?

Uhm medium-low EMS where you see dead crew members and supposedly see them coming out of the Normandy isn't easy to achieve, the min/max EMS for that would be pretty close together. Not setting a bool is hard to miss sometimes. I've got some experience in programming too, and it happened more then once.

For Tali: if you romance her but she dies (either in 2 or 3) she will come into your cabin and might spend the night before the attack with you.


wat
now wat
that's.. okay, I have no idea how that passed the test phase

I know it's easy to forget updating variables.. hell I sometimes search two days for an error and it turns out to be a missing semicolon.. but you would think they tested the ending a few times and spent enough attention on it.. the Tali thing just made me doubt though

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

hmm no ones answering me


http://social.biowar.../index/9922968 

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lex0r11 wrote...

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Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?





YES! Golferguy is back!





Lexor! hah!

My Friend!

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Andromidius wrote...

Oh dear. Now he's debunking the tree reflections as being a 'design oversight' caused by rushing...

He really needed to peer review his script.


I never found the tree reflections to be serious proof anyway. At least he gave it a plausible.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

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Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?


Why? What do I have to lose? The respect of people I don't even know or care about? Oh no, that would be terrible!:o




<_<


But how can you get by thinking that strangers who seem to think that having a different view on the ending is equivalent to pissing in their cheerios?

Also, I think Florida is going to float away soon because of this tropical storm. It's right above my home.

Tropical storm isn't much. hurricanes or typhoons are what to be afraid of. But I hope you and your family will be safe.


Eh, considering I used to go walking in the middle of hurricanes I know. This rain is just an annoyance. I finally get a free weekend and rain. Rain everywhere

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh dear. Now he's debunking the tree reflections as being a 'design oversight' caused by rushing...

He really needed to peer review his script.


I never found the tree reflections to be serious proof anyway. At least he gave it a plausible.

This. It's hardly conclusive evidence, especially since the old script called the area "guardian's garden"

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Just noticed something that MIGHT be important...

take a look at this: Posted Image

that's right, it's the stargazer thing. Look at the middle. What do you see? Trees, with leaves and all that tree stuff. Look at the left and right corner. What do you see? Dead trees. Like the dream ones.

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Humakt83 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

hmm no ones answering me


http://social.biowar.../index/9922968 


Thanks man! That's so awesome!

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nightcobra8928 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh dear. Now he's debunking the tree reflections as being a 'design oversight' caused by rushing...

He really needed to peer review his script.


he said it as a possibility, which Can be correct. so plausible was the way to go IMO


He also says he's leaning towards debunked, so its clear he didn't really beleive it anyway.  So yeah, I feel he messed up there.

Generally its good, but there's four things now that I strongly disagree with.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

The time for an answer has almost arrived. Anyone nervous?


Why? What do I have to lose? The respect of people I don't even know or care about? Oh no, that would be terrible!:o




<_<


But how can you get by thinking that strangers who seem to think that having a different view on the ending is equivalent to pissing in their cheerios?

Also, I think Florida is going to float away soon because of this tropical storm. It's right above my home.

Tropical storm isn't much. hurricanes or typhoons are what to be afraid of. But I hope you and your family will be safe.


Eh, considering I used to go walking in the middle of hurricanes I know. This rain is just an annoyance. I finally get a free weekend and rain. Rain everywhere


I like rain. In fact, I'm only happy when it rains.

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Andromidius wrote...

Okay, now he's being skeptical about the gun transformation and referring to it as a 'design oversight'. Erm, no. Doesn't work that way - it would if it was a different gun in a different shot or scene, not in the same frame!

I believe it was in Prettz's video about this, he shows that both weapons, the carnifex and the predator, are both in Sheps hand.
My personal opinion in that matter is that it was done intentionally so that they could use both firing sounds in the cutscene.

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I'm anti-IT, or literalist, whatever you want to call me, but here's the thing....
With the way IT is structured, it can be true, no matter what, even if they clarify each and every ending, it can still be called shepard's post-death dream of what he thought happened. Hell, even if Bioware flat out denied IT, it could still be true.

Personally, I'm a literalist, but NOTHING has a single interpretation. It is up to YOU to interpret ANYTHING you see. This also give me a right to interpret things literally though, so cut me some slack there. I'm not stupid for viewing something different

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just noticed something that MIGHT be important...

take a look at this: Posted Image

that's right, it's the stargazer thing. Look at the middle. What do you see? Trees, with leaves and all that tree stuff. Look at the left and right corner. What do you see? Dead trees. Like the dream ones.


I hate to say this but I think you're reaching a little.

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BP20125810 wrote...

I'm anti-IT, or literalist, whatever you want to call me, but here's the thing....
With the way IT is structured, it can be true, no matter what, even if they clarify each and every ending, it can still be called shepard's post-death dream of what he thought happened. Hell, even if Bioware flat out denied IT, it could still be true.

Personally, I'm a literalist, but NOTHING has a single interpretation. It is up to YOU to interpret ANYTHING you see. This also give me a right to interpret things literally though, so cut me some slack there. I'm not stupid for viewing something different


Thank you, this is a refreshing change from all the trolls that just go "HURR DUR IT IS STUPID"

@BatmanTurian: Well I didn't say "LOOK AT THIS THIS IS IT PROOF"
at the time I'm just bored and looking at stuff.. just wanted to consider it ;)

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#27317
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BP20125810 wrote...

I'm anti-IT, or literalist, whatever you want to call me, but here's the thing....
With the way IT is structured, it can be true, no matter what, even if they clarify each and every ending, it can still be called shepard's post-death dream of what he thought happened. Hell, even if Bioware flat out denied IT, it could still be true.

Personally, I'm a literalist, but NOTHING has a single interpretation. It is up to YOU to interpret ANYTHING you see. This also give me a right to interpret things literally though, so cut me some slack there. I'm not stupid for viewing something different


That's perfectly fine.  And you're actually right with how IT works, in that it doesn't necessarily need to be 'confirmed' outright for it to still be a viable interpretation.

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BP20125810 wrote...

I'm anti-IT, or literalist, whatever you want to call me, but here's the thing....
With the way IT is structured, it can be true, no matter what, even if they clarify each and every ending, it can still be called shepard's post-death dream of what he thought happened. Hell, even if Bioware flat out denied IT, it could still be true.

Personally, I'm a literalist, but NOTHING has a single interpretation. It is up to YOU to interpret ANYTHING you see. This also give me a right to interpret things literally though, so cut me some slack there. I'm not stupid for viewing something different


No, that's fine. People who respectfully disagree and are willing to cut us slack and debate with civility, those are people we call literalists. Anti-I.T.'s are the ones who are close-minded and full of hate and venom. You're welcome in this thread if you're respectful.

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BP20125810 wrote...

I'm anti-IT, or literalist, whatever you want to call me, but here's the thing....
With the way IT is structured, it can be true, no matter what, even if they clarify each and every ending, it can still be called shepard's post-death dream of what he thought happened. Hell, even if Bioware flat out denied IT, it could still be true.

Personally, I'm a literalist, but NOTHING has a single interpretation. It is up to YOU to interpret ANYTHING you see. This also give me a right to interpret things literally though, so cut me some slack there. I'm not stupid for viewing something different


We appreciate people who can respectfully disagree, so thank you for that.

I, for one, don't want IT to be headcanon. I don't want it to be an interpretation. I want it to be explicitly shown. I want Shepard to be confronted by his squad if he gives in and I want the option to honorably kill myself. I want the option to fight my crew with a fleet of Reapers behind me. I want to ride a banshee into battle. I want to kill Harbinger. I want all of that. YES. YES. YES.

What was the question? Oh, you didn't have one.

Again, I appreciate what you said, as well as your respect, but I just want it to be clear. I don't want to have to make up my own ending. I just want a good one. :)

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

I'm anti-IT, or literalist, whatever you want to call me, but here's the thing....
With the way IT is structured, it can be true, no matter what, even if they clarify each and every ending, it can still be called shepard's post-death dream of what he thought happened. Hell, even if Bioware flat out denied IT, it could still be true.

Personally, I'm a literalist, but NOTHING has a single interpretation. It is up to YOU to interpret ANYTHING you see. This also give me a right to interpret things literally though, so cut me some slack there. I'm not stupid for viewing something different


Thank you, this is a refreshing change from all the trolls that just go "HURR DUR IT IS STUPID"

@BatmanTurian: Well I didn't say "LOOK AT THIS THIS IS IT PROOF"
at the time I'm just bored and looking at stuff.. just wanted to consider it ;)


It's interesting, but the logical part of my mind is beating me into submission and making me say it doesn't have a lot to stand on.

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I'm like 30 mins into the Indocumentary. The evidence is really good, though the guy, as in the first one, comes off as arrogant and jumps to some illogical conclusions, but it's very good regardless.

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FellishBeast wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

I'm anti-IT, or literalist, whatever you want to call me, but here's the thing....
With the way IT is structured, it can be true, no matter what, even if they clarify each and every ending, it can still be called shepard's post-death dream of what he thought happened. Hell, even if Bioware flat out denied IT, it could still be true.

Personally, I'm a literalist, but NOTHING has a single interpretation. It is up to YOU to interpret ANYTHING you see. This also give me a right to interpret things literally though, so cut me some slack there. I'm not stupid for viewing something different


We appreciate people who can respectfully disagree, so thank you for that.

I, for one, don't want IT to be headcanon. I don't want it to be an interpretation. I want it to be explicitly shown. I want Shepard to be confronted by his squad if he gives in and I want the option to honorably kill myself. I want the option to fight my crew with a fleet of Reapers behind me. I want to ride a banshee into battle. I want to kill Harbinger. I want all of that. YES. YES. YES.

What was the question? Oh, you didn't have one.

Again, I appreciate what you said, as well as your respect, but I just want it to be clear. I don't want to have to make up my own ending. I just want a good one. :)


You want to ride a Banshee into battle? :blink: Implications... problematic.

But I agree with your sentiments.

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BP20125810 wrote...

I'm anti-IT, or literalist, whatever you want to call me, but here's the thing....
With the way IT is structured, it can be true, no matter what, even if they clarify each and every ending, it can still be called shepard's post-death dream of what he thought happened. Hell, even if Bioware flat out denied IT, it could still be true.

Personally, I'm a literalist, but NOTHING has a single interpretation. It is up to YOU to interpret ANYTHING you see. This also give me a right to interpret things literally though, so cut me some slack there. I'm not stupid for viewing something different


That's good for you!!! :lol: I'm so glad there is a literalist person that has an open mind about things. (Not saying all of you are close minded) It's such a change from the trolls we have had here. Feel open to debate somethings about IT!!!

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FellishBeast wrote...

I'm like 30 mins into the Indocumentary. The evidence is really good, though the guy, as in the first one, comes off as arrogant and jumps to some illogical conclusions, but it's very good regardless.


I think he should have peer-reviewed with us and not just the people on his forum. Or is it our fault for not signing up to his site? Nah, he should come to us.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

I'm anti-IT, or literalist, whatever you want to call me, but here's the thing....
With the way IT is structured, it can be true, no matter what, even if they clarify each and every ending, it can still be called shepard's post-death dream of what he thought happened. Hell, even if Bioware flat out denied IT, it could still be true.

Personally, I'm a literalist, but NOTHING has a single interpretation. It is up to YOU to interpret ANYTHING you see. This also give me a right to interpret things literally though, so cut me some slack there. I'm not stupid for viewing something different


We appreciate people who can respectfully disagree, so thank you for that.

I, for one, don't want IT to be headcanon. I don't want it to be an interpretation. I want it to be explicitly shown. I want Shepard to be confronted by his squad if he gives in and I want the option to honorably kill myself. I want the option to fight my crew with a fleet of Reapers behind me. I want to ride a banshee into battle. I want to kill Harbinger. I want all of that. YES. YES. YES.

What was the question? Oh, you didn't have one.

Again, I appreciate what you said, as well as your respect, but I just want it to be clear. I don't want to have to make up my own ending. I just want a good one. :)


You want to ride a Banshee into battle? :blink: Implications... problematic.

But I agree with your sentiments.


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Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 24 juin 2012 - 10:47 .