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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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BatmanTurian

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FellishBeast wrote...

Wow...he just "debunked" Major Coats? He didn't even mention infrasound...


Again, why peer-review by us would have been beneficial. He always seems to be a bit behind us on the evidence collected.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 24 juin 2012 - 10:56 .


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MegumiAzusa

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Epök brought this to my attention. Read and tell me what you think.

https://twitter.com/...600049491251200

So this would make EDI coming out the Normandy a bug again, like I said earlier.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Epök brought this to my attention. Read and tell me what you think.

https://twitter.com/...600049491251200

So this would make EDI coming out the Normandy a bug again, like I said earlier.


Can we really trust what she says at all though?

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Just something to cheer us all up: Gamer Poop Skyrim 4 came out!


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TSA_383 wrote...

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Wait...what?

He talks about the binary codes on Bioware's Facebook, and how they all point to things that happen in ME3. And then DEBUNKS IT AS RELIVENT.

HOW?!?!

Seriously, how do you come to that conclusion? Hoooooooooow?

Edit: And yes I know he gives it a plausible.  Very grudgingly.  But its still mind boggling.

I do agree some of the decision making is... off.
But, at the end of the day it's good that someone's collected so much information together like this.


Maybe my reaction was a bit OTT, but yeah.  Its...bizzare how he discounts certain things but is fine with others.

Video is great and all, but...yeah, its like his previous video - he makes mistakes.  Only human.

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TSA_383 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

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You can find all the shadowmap files in Umodel but I don't have anything to read them with - but yeah, the shadow maps change from scene to scene - throughout the citadel sequence there are loads of such little subtle tweaks in lighting and such - have you ever tried turning around in the bloody keeper corridor when you reach the end of it?

Also folks, decided that I'm going to try slowing down the bits from the start and end of the prothean visions and put those on youtube - I remember seeing stuff of interest there ;)


The evidence you offered him about the listener stuff made my jaw hit the floor, so I am really interested in your dissection of the prothean visions. perhaps you could check the ones from the From Ashes DLC mission too?

Which not-from-ashes prothean visions are we talking about here? :lol:
I've slowed the from-ashes ones to 2fps, it's about six minutes long now - In keeping with the prothean belief in "patterns" we see a prothean soldier running towards a reaper then being knocked down by its beam repeatedly.
There's other stuff but I've not looked through in detail yet.
Youtube coming soon.


Not the ones that shepard can decipher, but the ones that fly by quickly.

That's precisely what I'm talking about ;)

oh. well, carry on then.

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Andromidius wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Wait...what?

He talks about the binary codes on Bioware's Facebook, and how they all point to things that happen in ME3. And then DEBUNKS IT AS RELIVENT.

HOW?!?!

Seriously, how do you come to that conclusion? Hoooooooooow?

Edit: And yes I know he gives it a plausible.  Very grudgingly.  But its still mind boggling.

I do agree some of the decision making is... off.
But, at the end of the day it's good that someone's collected so much information together like this.


Maybe my reaction was a bit OTT, but yeah.  Its...bizzare how he discounts certain things but is fine with others.

Video is great and all, but...yeah, its like his previous video - he makes mistakes.  Only human.

Maybe with reaper tech... :whistle:

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Andromidius wrote...

Okay, now he's being skeptical about the gun transformation and referring to it as a 'design oversight'. Erm, no. Doesn't work that way - it would if it was a different gun in a different shot or scene, not in the same frame!


Nobody's perfect - I do kinda wish he'd chatted with us in here as there'd be some interesting bouncing of ideas, but the end product as a whole is good and I'm glad he's been a bit critical of things ^_^


Frankly, he wasn't critical enough, imo.  And I say this as someone who wants IT to be true.

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I'm sticking with my own personal "Jessica is a lovely lady but about as reliable as a lead parachute" theory.


Lead parachute.  Hmm.  I like, but I think I still prefer "reliable as a magic 8-ball."

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Wow...so he debunks Coats (which we have confirmed evidence for) and he gives his "Anderson is looking at the camera" a CONFIRMED? He only did that because HE CAME UP WITH IT. I'm loving this video, but CleverNoob is kind of an ****.

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Uh oh. He's doing the 'Bioware adopted IT in responce to criticism' routine. But he also admits the evidence is already in the game. So that really doesn't gel. For that to be right, Bioware had to have put the evidence and hints into the game with no intention of ever using it. Which is a very weird thing to believe.

Oh, and the comments section is full of 'ARRIVAL ISN'T CANON' trolls. Fun times.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just something to cheer us all up: Gamer Poop Skyrim 4 came out!


OMG:lol: BEST ONE YET! :lol:

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TSA_383 wrote...

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I'm sticking with my own personal "Jessica is a lovely lady but about as reliable as a lead parachute" theory.


I support this theory.

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Why every dialogue seems to be a proof for the IT now? I can't play without thinking that. For example Garrus said to a soldier that if you do not admire the skills of your enemy, you could get a surprise... Like being indoctrinated? Agh, I just need the DLC and forget ME3 forever.

Kaidan doesn't sleep well... Kjbjhvhfcgbj.

Modifié par Lat2oo5, 24 juin 2012 - 11:22 .


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FellishBeast

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 Hey TSA...you're a good guy. ;)

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BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Epök brought this to my attention. Read and tell me what you think.

https://twitter.com/...600049491251200

So this would make EDI coming out the Normandy a bug again, like I said earlier.


Can we really trust what she says at all though?


Unfortunately both Mike Gamble and Patrick Weekes confirm it in response to a query from a player:
twitter.com/tnedmonds/status/216957145072148480

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Andromidius wrote...

Oh, and the comments section is full of 'ARRIVAL ISN'T CANON' trolls. Fun times.


As there should be.  He should have at least acknowledged that there's debate as to whether Arrival is canon.  We're the ones who are stretching things by assuming it's canon.

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FellishBeast wrote...

Wow...so he debunks Coats (which we have confirmed evidence for) and he gives his "Anderson is looking at the camera" a CONFIRMED? He only did that because HE CAME UP WITH IT. I'm loving this video, but CleverNoob is kind of an ****.


I don't know why he didn't just put plausible down for it. I thought it could've just been a design oversight, which he said for other things and caused that info to be wrong or plausible, and then said it couldn't have been for other things.

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Andromidius wrote...

Uh oh. He's doing the 'Bioware adopted IT in responce to criticism' routine. But he also admits the evidence is already in the game. So that really doesn't gel. For that to be right, Bioware had to have put the evidence and hints into the game with no intention of ever using it. Which is a very weird thing to believe.

Oh, and the comments section is full of 'ARRIVAL ISN'T CANON' trolls. Fun times.


I wish Bioware would come out and difinitively say Arrival is canon. it's in the comic books. Just have one of them come on this forum and go " Yeeeeeah, about Arrival. It's Canon. "

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clennon8 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh, and the comments section is full of 'ARRIVAL ISN'T CANON' trolls. Fun times.


As there should be.  He should have at least acknowledged that there's debate as to whether Arrival is canon.  We're the ones who are stretching things by assuming it's canon.


It is canon, Bioware stated it is.  End of argument.

Sorry to be blunt, but facts are facts.  Non-Arrival Shep is as canon as Dead Shep from ME2.  You can experience it, but its not canon.

Modifié par Andromidius, 24 juin 2012 - 11:09 .


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Rankincountry wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Epök brought this to my attention. Read and tell me what you think.

https://twitter.com/...600049491251200

So this would make EDI coming out the Normandy a bug again, like I said earlier.


Can we really trust what she says at all though?


Unfortunately both Mike Gamble and Patrick Weekes confirm it in response to a query from a player:
twitter.com/tnedmonds/status/216957145072148480


I see nothing in their twitter responses that confirms the geth or edi are killed.

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Arrival has to be canon or else Shepard wouldn't be on earth. Or am I mistaken?

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FellishBeast wrote...

Wow...so he debunks Coats (which we have confirmed evidence for) and he gives his "Anderson is looking at the camera" a CONFIRMED? He only did that because HE CAME UP WITH IT. I'm loving this video, but CleverNoob is kind of an ****.


I also dont think that HE came up with it, I saw something about that posted a while back..... I think bill casey did that...

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clennon8

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Gamer Poop is stupid and unfunny. Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this?

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FellishBeast wrote...

Arrival has to be canon or else Shepard wouldn't be on earth. Or am I mistaken?


Some literalist will tell you it's because of Cerberus and being AWOL or something.