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[Fingertrip]

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

still waiting on Jessica's reply to my twitter. I asked her:

"First you said EDI coming out of the Normandy wasn't a bug. Now you say that the geth and EDI die in destroy. Which is it exactly?"

i think they can survive if you have 5000 asstes and 100 galactic readyness. Because that could explain why she means they can die if you don't get the breath sence.

I know, i just want to see if i can get a definitive answer from her ( a fool's errand, I know).

The Red Herring seems appropiate 

Modifié par Fingertrip, 25 juin 2012 - 12:06 .

[BatmanTurian]

Fingertrip wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

still waiting on Jessica's reply to my twitter. I asked her:

"First you said EDI coming out of the Normandy wasn't a bug. Now you say that the geth and EDI die in destroy. Which is it exactly?"

i think they can survive if you have 5000 asstes and 100 galactic readyness. Because that could explain why she means they can die if you don't get the breath sence.

I know, i just want to see if i can get a definitive answer from her ( a fool's errand, I know).

The Red Herring seems appropiate 

She'll probably just at me.

[Andromidius]

jla0644 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh, and the EC won't confirm IT.  Most of us know that, and are fine with it.

If you know the EC won't confirm it for you, then you know that after Tuesday you will still have no ending to the game. So when and how do you think you are going to get an ending to this story?

And?  An open ending that makes sense is better then a closed ending that makes no sense.  So its a win for me, and it leaves room for potential sequels.  I see nothing wrong with that.

It would be like being upset with Return of the Jedi because it doesn't show the Empire being completely defeated, only their leader twarted in their attempt to control his greatest enemy and turn him to his will...

Oh.  Yeah.  That.

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh, and the EC won't confirm IT.  Most of us know that, and are fine with it.

If you know the EC won't confirm it for you, then you know that after Tuesday you will still have no ending to the game. So when and how do you think you are going to get an ending to this story?

And?  An open ending that makes sense is better then a closed ending that makes no sense.  So its a win for me, and it leaves room for potential sequels.  I see nothing wrong with that.

It would be like being upset with Return of the Jedi because it doesn't show the Empire being completely defeated, only their leader twarted in their attempt to control his greatest enemy and turn him to his will...

Oh.  Yeah.  That.

Crap, now you've ruined it for me.

[Lokanaiya]

If she gives anything but a definitive no, it's probably going to mean yes, just pointing out.

[BatmanTurian]

Lokanaiya wrote...

If she gives anything but a definitive no, it's probably going to mean yes, just pointing out.

Well, I know that. I just like making her job harder.

[Humakt83]

BatmanTurian wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh, and the EC won't confirm IT.  Most of us know that, and are fine with it.

If you know the EC won't confirm it for you, then you know that after Tuesday you will still have no ending to the game. So when and how do you think you are going to get an ending to this story?

Why do you really care what we think? Why does it matter to you? We'll just play the EC and see what happens. Either way, the series is over.

If nothing else, there should be some future DLC's. Which means that series ain't over as long as new titles are added to it.

[L0NEWOLF25]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

If she gives anything but a definitive no, it's probably going to mean yes, just pointing out.

Well, I know that. I just like making her job harder.

I had to find a use for this.

[BatmanTurian]

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

If she gives anything but a definitive no, it's probably going to mean yes, just pointing out.

Well, I know that. I just like making her job harder.

I had to find a use for this.

I love that movie and both of those comics.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...
Crap, now you've ruined it for me.

Sowwy!

But yeah, now that I think about it there are some eery similarities with Star Wars and Mass Effect.

And lots of big differences.

But the bits surrounding Luke's turn to the Dark Side does seem to ring true.  Complete with surreal visions.

[Arian Dynas]

byne wrote...

Big G13 wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

byne wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

@Arian Dynas- I would like to point out that you actually translated your Latin wrongly. If you're going to quote Latin ot sound smart, then its a bit embaressing if you do it wrong.

This is what you said: Quid quid latine dictum sit. Altum videtur.

"Anything said in Latin sounds profound."

This is not correct. Firstly, Altum videtur is in this case a separate sentence, and should not be. Secondly 'quidquid' meaning anything is actually one word. What you have written is 'what what'.

So you have actually written 'What what is said in Latin. It sounds profound'. Not to mention the fact that capital letters did not actually exist in Latin. The latin meaning you want would be recieved from 'quidquid latine dictum sit altum videtur'

If you are trying to impress everyone, then this was one hell of a fail.

Arian doesnt need correct Latin to impress us. He is impressive all on his own. You, on the other hand, coming in and randomly spending an entire post correcting his Latin, seem to be trying to impress us with your knowledge of Latin.

Also: I missed Arian?! Nooooooooooooo!

Heh im not trying to offend anyone, im just saying i don't know one person who quotes in latin who i don't consider to be doing i to flaunt their knowledge rather than to actually make their point.

o.k. but, in the case of Arian Dynas you are mistaken.

Yeah, if Arian wanted to flaunt his knowledge, he'd just flaunt his knowledge. He wouldnt waste time speaking in Latin.

So... you are correcting a slight grammatical interpretation (seeing as literal interpretation of most languages from one language to another are actual impossibilities, since languages, unlike codes do not usually have a one to one transferrence) by basically saying what I said, only more awkwardly. Ever heard of a blind idiot translation? I commit one woolseyism to make the sentence flow better to an English speaking ear, and this is somehow incorrect? Explain the logic behind this for me please.

And beside the point, I only do it because I like Latin, and well, Children of The Lamp; "There was something about people who spoke in Latin, like judges and popes that makes them very hard to argue with." That and, well I'm used to Lincoln-Douglas style debates so I regularly work Latin into points I make.

As for the repetition of the word quid, unintentional, mia culpa.
And yes, this IS me flaunting my knowledge, just for fun.  I have plenty of it to flaunt if I want to, but I try to avoid being arrogant about it. Try anyway.

Also for the record, if I wanted to do it entirely correctly, it would have been qvidqvid, since there was at the time, no "u" character in the Latin alphabet, and V was substituted where a "U" sound was needed.

Yes I may have flunked my Linguistics class, but at least I learned SOMETHING!

Also, got my laptop back from the service station at last! But it's running a bit hot right now, so I am somewhat worried. Will do some checking.

Also, glad to be back people.

[FellishBeast]

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

[Rifneno]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I commit one woolseyism

This guy are sick.

[TJBartlemus]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Crap, now you've ruined it for me.

Sowwy!

But yeah, now that I think about it there are some eery similarities with Star Wars and Mass Effect.

And lots of big differences.

But the bits surrounding Luke's turn to the Dark Side does seem to ring true.  Complete with surreal visions.

Well I would believe it accurate to say that Mass Effect is pretty much the Star Wars of this generation. (I think someone has said this before...)

[jla0644]

BatmanTurian wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh, and the EC won't confirm IT.  Most of us know that, and are fine with it.

If you know the EC won't confirm it for you, then you know that after Tuesday you will still have no ending to the game. So when and how do you think you are going to get an ending to this story?

Why do you really care what we think? Why does it matter to you? We'll just play the EC and see what happens. Either way, the series is over.

Does that mean you don't want to answer the question? Over 1000 pages here, and now you're done talking, lol?  Call it curiosity if you want. Why does anyone ask anything on a forum? Does it matter to me, not really. Am I curious, absolutely.

Seems to me that not confirming the IT with the EC pretty much kills the IT. They are giving us DLC that they never planned on, all in order to clarify the ending. This DLC will NOT (so we are told) confirm a very popular theory. If Bioware wanted to go forward with this theory, why would they waste time and resources with a DLC that does nothing to confirm it or move it forward?

By almost all accounts, the EC will primarily show us more of what happened with the red, blue, and green endings, providing clarity and closure. If they were planning  to come out some time in the future and say none of this happened, here is the real ending, then what is the point of giving us the EC? They would just waitt and give us the IT ending.

If you continue to believe the IT is true, it can only one of two things. You think they are lying when they say the EC won't confirm or deny, OR you think Bioware is seriously commiting to the "indoctrinate the player" idea, and there will be more DLC or a new game to give the real conclusion to Shepard's story.

Modifié par jla0644, 25 juin 2012 - 12:29 .

[Andromidius]

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Why would you think that?  Any evidence?

And if IT wasn't Bioware's intention then why is the game riddled with clues and hints and inconsistancies that all point towards the same thing?

If IT wasn't Bioware's intention then why did they want the players to speculate on what the endings actually ment?

Or are you just going to state things without actually backing them up?

[v0rt3x22]

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Wrong. At least in my opinion.

What people aren't realizing is that we (the IT supporters) are not making this stuff up.
Which means - IT is everything else but a fan fabrication.

What we are doing is taking content in the game and analyzing it.

Content that has been created by BioWare.

And what we've come up with so far - seems to suggest (not necessarily confirm) - but highly suggest - that BioWare has put in these "clues" for a purpose.

So as you adequately put it - I think we are on the right track.

I just don't see why people don't believe it.

I think the problem is this: there are people who simply dont like the IT theory.
Which is why they dismiss it as bad writing.

I'm willing to bet that if the theory is confirmed true - those who never believed in the theory - will not start to support it - but will just leave the series all the same - because they think its a bad plot twist.

[TJBartlemus]

@Arian- Little late for that come back don't ya think? I think that conversation was yesterday. Did you fall in a black hole and get sent into the future?? :P

Edit: Also, glad that your back. Maybe you can educate any trolls that come out of their caves.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 25 juin 2012 - 12:30 .

[Makrys]

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Yes. And I think its a great point. Often something I've thought about. No one at Bioware can say, "Yep IT is true!" or "Nope it aint!", because there are quite a few versions of it. So answering a question about the IT covers a LOT of interpretations of the endings, because there are many variations of IT. And plus, we may have the general concepts down, but we may not have all the details and could have possibly interpreted it wrong in a few areas. Its likely to assume the IT is not exactly what they intended, but instead very similar. 

So instead of tweeting them, "Is the IT true?", we should be asking things like, "Was the starchild scene a hallucination?", "Did Anderson really die?", "Was everything so 'dreamy' on purpose?". These kinds of questions they most likely can answer, and it will also give us some sort of heading into what the EC could entail.

Or... we could just wait. 

Modifié par Makrys, 25 juin 2012 - 12:31 .

[JasonSic]

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Exactly my thought. I'm sure the EC will have something to do with indoctrination, but it's not going to be exactly like this theory.

[Andromidius]

jla0644 wrote...

Seems to me that not confirming the IT with the EC pretty much kills the IT.

Incorrect.  Only thing that would 'kill' it is if it was outright shown to be wrong.  Not confirming it means nothing.

Do we have to say this over and over and over again?  I think we do, because it never sticks.

[BatmanTurian]

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

No, because IT would be the same as what they're already doing.

[Humakt83]

jla0644 wrote... 

If you continue to believe the IT is true, it can only one of two things. You think they are lying when they say the EC won't confirm or deny, OR you think Bioware is seriously commiting to the "indoctrinate the player" idea, and there will be more DLC or a new game to give the real conclusion to Shepard's story.

Or it will be always left open-ended never providing closure to the question.

[Andromidius]

JasonSic wrote...

Exactly my thought. I'm sure the EC will have something to do with indoctrination, but it's not going to be exactly like this theory.

How?  You do realise that IT is basically just demonstrating that Shepard is undergoing indoctrination, right?  So if they show Shepard is indoctrinated...IT is correct.  No ifs, no buts.

Seriously, what do people think IT is about?  Because I'm pretty sure we're not reading the same page here.

[BatmanTurian]

jla0644 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh, and the EC won't confirm IT.  Most of us know that, and are fine with it.

If you know the EC won't confirm it for you, then you know that after Tuesday you will still have no ending to the game. So when and how do you think you are going to get an ending to this story?

Why do you really care what we think? Why does it matter to you? We'll just play the EC and see what happens. Either way, the series is over.

Does that mean you don't want to answer the question? Over 1000 pages here, and now you're done talking, lol?  Call it curiosity if you want. Why does anyone ask anything on a forum? Does it matter to me, not really. Am I curious, absolutely.

Seems to me that not confirming the IT with the EC pretty much kills the IT. They are giving us DLC that they never planned on, all in order to clarify the ending. This DLC will NOT (so we are told) confirm a very popular theory. If Bioware wanted to go forward with this theory, why would they waste time and resources with a DLC that does nothing to confirm it or move it forward?

By almost all accounts, the EC will primarily show us more of what happened with the red, blue, and green endings, providing clarity and closure. If they were planning  to come out some time in the future and say none of this happened, here is the real ending, then what is the point of giving us the EC? They would just waitt and give us the IT ending.

If you continue to believe the IT is true, it can only one of two things. You think they are lying when they say the EC won't confirm or deny, OR you think Bioware is seriously commiting to the "indoctrinate the player" idea, and there will be more DLC or a new game to give the real conclusion to Shepard's story.

Here's what I think. The EC hasn't come out yet and none of us have actually seen it. So saying anything about what's going to be in it is actually stupid at this point. I will wait to see what's in the EC and then revise what I think about IT. A wise man knows that he knows nothing. Only a fool thinks he knows everything.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 25 juin 2012 - 12:34 .