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[Starbuck8]

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

I get what you mean. I've thought a similar thing. The IT itself has many "versions" or interpretations, each of us probably has multiple versions or speculations on, for example, where the hallucination starts. So if you ask if IT is true, well, which version would you be asking about? And it's possible that the IT in general is close, very close, to their original intent, but we're missing someing, or we're off in a certain aspect of it. So i guess we'll have to see what the EC presents us with. It's pretty exciting actually...

[jla0644]

Andromidius wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

jla0644 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh, and the EC won't confirm IT.  Most of us know that, and are fine with it.

If you know the EC won't confirm it for you, then you know that after Tuesday you will still have no ending to the game. So when and how do you think you are going to get an ending to this story?

And?  An open ending that makes sense is better then a closed ending that makes no sense.  So its a win for me, and it leaves room for potential sequels.  I see nothing wrong with that.

It would be like being upset with Return of the Jedi because it doesn't show the Empire being completely defeated, only their leader twarted in their attempt to control his greatest enemy and turn him to his will...

Oh.  Yeah.  That.

Then you think the ending will come in a sequel, that ME3 is NOT the conclusion of Shepard's story.

Thank you for anwering the question.

Great job not reading what I said.

*slowclap*

Go reread it.  And then come back and give me an actual responce.  And if you get it wrong again, then that's no skin off my nose.

I asked how and when you think the ending will come (sequel or DLC), if you know it won't be in the EC. You answered "And?", which didn't make any sense. But then you said you're fine with not getting an ending from the EC because it leaves the door open for sequels. Granted, you didn't explicitly state that ME3's ending would come in a sequel, but I assumed you were trying to answer my question.

If it wasn't what you were trying to say, then you didn't respond to the question. You replied to a question with a post that didn't answer it. Hence, the confusion. My apologies.

Modifié par jla0644, 25 juin 2012 - 12:58 .

[Jadebaby]

TJBartlemus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Hey guys, fast approaching 2am here and I have an 8:30 meeting... damn.

Anyway, here's the prothean visions at 1/16th speed:

Well there's now proof on how Shepard survived getting hit with Harbinger's beam. Watch at about 1:45 mark. The guy is hit and when the beam goes out he just falls.

That's interesting, it was a destroyer though, not a capital ship.

[warlock22]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This is going to be a stretch but what they hey... "speculations!"

What if they are neither confirming/denying IT in EC because they are setting up an expansion for IT or ME4 maybe? I know I know, ME3 Shepard's last story, last Mass Effect only prequels... But they've said a lot of things that have been lies...
I guess the only thing that will disprove it is those epilogue scenes... Damn so close it's frustrating, I just want to know Bioware! =(

There can be an ME4 without Shepard.

Have to disagree with you on that. Its juts not ME without Shepard and the characters really. But thats just how I feel.

[v0rt3x22]

I still don't understand why there are so many people who don't believe in IT and don't trust BioWare to come up with this all along. I'm tired of trying to convince people as well - but it's just what I believe.

I have a feeling that even if it gets confirmed - those who never believed in IT - won't like it.
Personally - if it is confirmed true - I think it makes for one hell of a plot twist.

[BatmanTurian]

TJBartlemus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

Hey guys, fast approaching 2am here and I have an 8:30 meeting... damn.

Anyway, here's the prothean visions at 1/16th speed:

Well there's now proof on how Shepard survived getting hit with Harbinger's beam. Watch at about 1:45 mark. The guy is hit and when the beam goes out he just falls.

it's the same scenes repeated over and over with very little variation. I'm not getting any new information out of this myself.

[Dendio1]

Gernbuster wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Surprised you guys aren't talking about the new indoc video

which one maybe I missed it?

Brand new one by the guy who did the original documentary.

[BatmanTurian]

warlock22 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This is going to be a stretch but what they hey... "speculations!"

What if they are neither confirming/denying IT in EC because they are setting up an expansion for IT or ME4 maybe? I know I know, ME3 Shepard's last story, last Mass Effect only prequels... But they've said a lot of things that have been lies...
I guess the only thing that will disprove it is those epilogue scenes... Damn so close it's frustrating, I just want to know Bioware! =(

There can be an ME4 without Shepard.

Have to disagree with you on that. Its juts not ME without Shepard and the characters really. But thats just how I feel.

I think the same team that gave us unforgettable characters can give us more unforgettable characters. The story was always cool, but Mass Effect is a Character-driven action adventure. it's more about the characters than the plot.

[TJBartlemus]

TSA_383 wrote...
Yup.
Nobody else avoids being evaporated by a reaper beam throughout the series
Still not "proof", but interesting.

It's also there at 5:41. Other than that, it's a lot of repeating images. Mainly just the fight with Reaper, Javik, and for some reason the city in the distance.

Edit: Oh wait I'm wrong. He gets disintegrated. So just shows how unlikely that Shepard lived from that. But hey, BioWare can provide a clever explaination. Maybe Shepard has extreamly good kinetic barriers??

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 25 juin 2012 - 01:05 .

[L0NEWOLF25]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I still don't understand why there are so many people who don't believe in IT and don't trust BioWare to come up with this all along. I'm tired of trying to convince people as well - but it's just what I believe.

I have a feeling that even if it gets confirmed - those who never believed in IT - won't like it.
Personally - if it is confirmed true - I think it makes for one hell of a plot twist.

It's hard to convince people of stuff that they can't prove is 100% fact, just wait for the EC to come out and then we can hopefully finally decide who is right and wrong.

[Arian Dynas]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Really the thing that pisses me off the most about the whole situation?

The fact that XBOX gets it first by several days, while PC players, like myself have to wait, meaning I either avoid the forums, or get spoilers.

Also guys, buck up, they're not saying anything they haven't said before, and one way or another, we get closure, that is what we have been promised. Period. And at nearly 2 gigabytes in size, roughly an 8th of the entire ****ing game, we have got SOME kind of **** going on.

wow I didn't know that, so when does PC get it?

I have contemplated the size too and thought there was something going on, but remember that they are accounting for all playthroughs, so to see every piece of content in the EC you will have to do numerous playthroughs. 1.9GB might seem a lot, but you may only see 400MB worth of content on any one playthrough.

According to TSA, I was wrong on that account. 

Yeeeeeess.... but that fact alone, that there is THAT much variation, when considering they said they will not "change" the endings, means that by going literally, since the group ends up in the same place, Shepard dies either way and that most of the descriptions of things changed depending on the ending could be easily taken care of by cards with the wording swapped rather than cinematics or "ending scenes" indicates that what they are promising could easily be taken care of with far less data than what we are being sent.

[munnellyladt]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Really the thing that pisses me off the most about the whole situation?

The fact that XBOX gets it first by several days, while PC players, like myself have to wait, meaning I either avoid the forums, or get spoilers.

Also guys, buck up, they're not saying anything they haven't said before, and one way or another, we get closure, that is what we have been promised. Period. And at nearly 2 gigabytes in size, roughly an 8th of the entire ****ing game, we have got SOME kind of **** going on.

wow I didn't know that, so when does PC get it?

I have contemplated the size too and thought there was something going on, but remember that they are accounting for all playthroughs, so to see every piece of content in the EC you will have to do numerous playthroughs. 1.9GB might seem a lot, but you may only see 400MB worth of content on any one playthrough.

Guys you should have read the post properly,it says pc and xbox get the EC on the 26th WORLDWIDE.
You have to wait if your on PSN and don't live in NA.

[FellishBeast]

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Okay this is in response to everyone who shot me down when I posted this 2 pages ago...

I don't think you understood what I was trying to say. I hope you all know me well enough by now to know that I am a strong supporter of IT. What I'm saying is that while I support IT, the chances that we interpreted everything in the exact way they intended it are very slim.

IT is something we, the fans, came up with to make sense of the ending. That is a fact. But the evidence is there. I've never denied that. What I'm suggesting is the reason they say the ending won't confirm or deny IT is because their version of IT isn't IT. Does that make sense?

I'd appreciate if you would pay attention to everything I said before treating me like a literalist. I had considered most of you friends, of a sort. Or at least colleagues.

Does this make any more sense?

[Dendio1]

estebanus wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Surprised you guys aren't talking about the new indoc video

That's because it's not really that well-done, or at least there are several things he got wrong on an epic scale...

Thats not fair to the guy. He put in alot of work to get it out before Extended Cut. He did a good job.

One thing he may have gotten wrong was the squadmates dying, yet showing up later. People are still rumoring a middle ground ems where you see them in both instances. Its a small issue in an overall well done video.

Modifié par Dendio1, 25 juin 2012 - 01:09 .

[Arian Dynas]

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

I get what you mean. I've thought a similar thing. The IT itself has many "versions" or interpretations, each of us probably has multiple versions or speculations on, for example, where the hallucination starts. So if you ask if IT is true, well, which version would you be asking about? And it's possible that the IT in general is close, very close, to their original intent, but we're missing someing, or we're off in a certain aspect of it. So i guess we'll have to see what the EC presents us with. It's pretty exciting actually...

I get what he means. Basically "Indoctrination Theory" is a fan creation, based off our interpretation of "The Shepard Indoctrination Plotline" they share the same facts and the same idea, only one is a guess and the other is a surety. If that makes sense.

Basically it's the "Vader did kill your father, from a certain point of veiw" thing. Bioware can't confirm IT, since IT was made by us, but they can confirm Shepard's Indoctrination. This is our theory, and our concept can be proven correct, or Jossed.

[v0rt3x22]

estebanus wrote...

That's because it's not really that well-done, or at least there are several things he got wrong on an epic scale...

like what?

[FellishBeast]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

I get what you mean. I've thought a similar thing. The IT itself has many "versions" or interpretations, each of us probably has multiple versions or speculations on, for example, where the hallucination starts. So if you ask if IT is true, well, which version would you be asking about? And it's possible that the IT in general is close, very close, to their original intent, but we're missing someing, or we're off in a certain aspect of it. So i guess we'll have to see what the EC presents us with. It's pretty exciting actually...

I get what he means. Basically "Indoctrination Theory" is a fan creation, based off our interpretation of "The Shepard Indoctrination Plotline" they share the same facts and the same idea, only one is a guess and the other is a surety. If that makes sense.

Basically it's the "Vader did kill your father, from a certain point of veiw" thing. Bioware can't confirm IT, since IT was made by us, but they can confirm Shepard's Indoctrination. This is our theory, and our concept can be proven correct, or Jossed.

You guys get it. Thank you. 

[Arian Dynas]

My pleasure. And yeah, it's a difficult thing to find the right words to express.

[BatmanTurian]

FellishBeast wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

Okay this is in response to everyone who shot me down when I posted this 2 pages ago...

I don't think you understood what I was trying to say. I hope you all know me well enough by now to know that I am a strong supporter of IT. What I'm saying is that while I support IT, the chances that we interpreted everything in the exact way they intended it are very slim.

IT is something we, the fans, came up with to make sense of the ending. That is a fact. But the evidence is there. I've never denied that. What I'm suggesting is the reason they say the ending won't confirm or deny IT is because their version of IT isn't IT. Does that make sense?

I'd appreciate if you would pay attention to everything I said before treating me like a literalist. I had considered most of you friends, of a sort. Or at least colleagues.

Does this make any more sense?

I understand. We could be one point off and that would be enough for them to wiggle out of telling us.

[FellishBeast]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

That's because it's not really that well-done, or at least there are several things he got wrong on an epic scale...

like what?

Well is counter to our Major Coats theory is that "he reminded him of Captain Price from CoD." Most people got a fishy vibe from him, not to mention the infrasonic noise emanating from him. Yet he slapped it with a big ol' NO.

Anderson looking straight at the camera when saying "you're indoctrinated" was pretty compelling, however. I didn't think it deserved a "confirmed," but he came up with it so he really liked it, I guess.

On an unrelated note:
Peer review is an awesome thing.

[warlock22]

BatmanTurian wrote...

warlock22 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This is going to be a stretch but what they hey... "speculations!"

What if they are neither confirming/denying IT in EC because they are setting up an expansion for IT or ME4 maybe? I know I know, ME3 Shepard's last story, last Mass Effect only prequels... But they've said a lot of things that have been lies...
I guess the only thing that will disprove it is those epilogue scenes... Damn so close it's frustrating, I just want to know Bioware! =(

There can be an ME4 without Shepard.

Have to disagree with you on that. Its juts not ME without Shepard and the characters really. But thats just how I feel.

I think the same team that gave us unforgettable characters can give us more unforgettable characters. The story was always cool, but Mass Effect is a Character-driven action adventure. it's more about the characters than the plot.

Yes is it character driven, and thats why it would have to have them same characters( again for me). But after what they did with the ME2 characters in ME3, I'm not sure they could give us more unforgettable characters. Especially if this is how they are going to treat them.

[Uncle Jo]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Really the thing that pisses me off the most about the whole situation?

The fact that XBOX gets it first by several days, while PC players, like myself have to wait, meaning I either avoid the forums, or get spoilers.

Also guys, buck up, they're not saying anything they haven't said before, and one way or another, we get closure, that is what we have been promised. Period. And at nearly 2 gigabytes in size, roughly an 8th of the entire ****ing game, we have got SOME kind of **** going on.

wow I didn't know that, so when does PC get it?

I have contemplated the size too and thought there was something going on, but remember that they are accounting for all playthroughs, so to see every piece of content in the EC you will have to do numerous playthroughs. 1.9GB might seem a lot, but you may only see 400MB worth of content on any one playthrough.

Yes (they were talking about 16 different endings after all ). They also recommand to load a save before the Cronos mission. That is something which intrigues me...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 25 juin 2012 - 01:14 .

[Starbuck8]

FellishBeast wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

I get what you mean. I've thought a similar thing. The IT itself has many "versions" or interpretations, each of us probably has multiple versions or speculations on, for example, where the hallucination starts. So if you ask if IT is true, well, which version would you be asking about? And it's possible that the IT in general is close, very close, to their original intent, but we're missing someing, or we're off in a certain aspect of it. So i guess we'll have to see what the EC presents us with. It's pretty exciting actually...

I get what he means. Basically "Indoctrination Theory" is a fan creation, based off our interpretation of "The Shepard Indoctrination Plotline" they share the same facts and the same idea, only one is a guess and the other is a surety. If that makes sense.

Basically it's the "Vader did kill your father, from a certain point of veiw" thing. Bioware can't confirm IT, since IT was made by us, but they can confirm Shepard's Indoctrination. This is our theory, and our concept can be proven correct, or Jossed.

You guys get it. Thank you. 

Of course
I think everyone's just a bit on edge right now. At first I was like, oh no Fellish is wavering, but I read the whole post and understood.

[Arashi08]

FellishBeast wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

I get what you mean. I've thought a similar thing. The IT itself has many "versions" or interpretations, each of us probably has multiple versions or speculations on, for example, where the hallucination starts. So if you ask if IT is true, well, which version would you be asking about? And it's possible that the IT in general is close, very close, to their original intent, but we're missing someing, or we're off in a certain aspect of it. So i guess we'll have to see what the EC presents us with. It's pretty exciting actually...

I get what he means. Basically "Indoctrination Theory" is a fan creation, based off our interpretation of "The Shepard Indoctrination Plotline" they share the same facts and the same idea, only one is a guess and the other is a surety. If that makes sense.

Basically it's the "Vader did kill your father, from a certain point of veiw" thing. Bioware can't confirm IT, since IT was made by us, but they can confirm Shepard's Indoctrination. This is our theory, and our concept can be proven correct, or Jossed.

You guys get it. Thank you. 

wow, I can;t believe I didn't think of it that way.  Very well worded I think, both of you. Apathy=diminished

[BatmanTurian]

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