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[TJBartlemus]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Yes (they were talking about 16 different endings after all ). They also recommand to load a save before the Cronos mission. That is something which intrigues me...

Well if you complete the game, after the credits it sends you back to before you started the Cronos station mission. So it makes sense.

[Starbuck8]

FellishBeast wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

That's because it's not really that well-done, or at least there are several things he got wrong on an epic scale...

like what?

Well is counter to our Major Coats theory is that "he reminded him of Captain Price from CoD." Most people got a fishy vibe from him, not to mention the infrasonic noise emanating from him. Yet he slapped it with a big ol' NO.

Anderson looking straight at the camera when saying "you're indoctrinated" was pretty compelling, however. I didn't think it deserved a "confirmed," but he came up with it so he really liked it, I guess.

On an unrelated note:
Peer review is an awesome thing.

Yeah I thought it was really good, but of course there are a few things that people in this thread would disagree with him on. I think it's somewhat to be expected, as everyone has their own "version" or interpretation of IT, and almost anyone doing a video on it would give a little bias to their own interpretation or the pieces of evidence that stood out to them the most.

[Arian Dynas]

Also @Jadeba8y88

"I contemplated the size."

That's what she said.

[FellishBeast]

 The idea that Anderson is talking to Shep during the whole TIM showdown makes me wonder if that scene is not entirely illusion. Maybe it is just Shepard and Anderson talking, and Shepard is actually arguing with Anderson, suggesting control or something of that sort, and he is using an imagined TIM to enter a state of denial or something.
Just trying to think outside the box. Don't attack me again. 

[BatmanTurian]

FellishBeast wrote...

 The idea that Anderson is talking to Shep during the whole TIM showdown makes me wonder if that scene is not entirely illusion. Maybe it is just Shepard and Anderson talking, and Shepard is actually arguing with Anderson, suggesting control or something of that sort, and he is using an imagined TIM to enter a state of denial or something.
Just trying to think outside the box. Don't attack me again. 

noone is attacking you.

[FellishBeast]

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with. If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

I get what you mean. I've thought a similar thing. The IT itself has many "versions" or interpretations, each of us probably has multiple versions or speculations on, for example, where the hallucination starts. So if you ask if IT is true, well, which version would you be asking about? And it's possible that the IT in general is close, very close, to their original intent, but we're missing someing, or we're off in a certain aspect of it. So i guess we'll have to see what the EC presents us with. It's pretty exciting actually...

I get what he means. Basically "Indoctrination Theory" is a fan creation, based off our interpretation of "The Shepard Indoctrination Plotline" they share the same facts and the same idea, only one is a guess and the other is a surety. If that makes sense.

Basically it's the "Vader did kill your father, from a certain point of veiw" thing. Bioware can't confirm IT, since IT was made by us, but they can confirm Shepard's Indoctrination. This is our theory, and our concept can be proven correct, or Jossed.

You guys get it. Thank you. 

Of course
I think everyone's just a bit on edge right now. At first I was like, oh no Fellish is wavering, but I read the whole post and understood.

Nope, my resolve is stronger than ever! 

I hadn't seen a lot of those tweets, and Mike Gamble's face when he was talking about IT...

[Uncle Jo]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Yes (they were talking about 16 different endings after all ). They also recommand to load a save before the Cronos mission. That is something which intrigues me...

Well if you complete the game, after the credits it sends you back to before you started the Cronos station mission. So it makes sense.

True, but they couldn't send you anywhere else, since after you made your choice, it was the end of Shep's story. No I'm sure there is more to it : the explanation of the ending will begin on the Cronos Station.

[FellishBeast]

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

That's because it's not really that well-done, or at least there are several things he got wrong on an epic scale...

like what?

Well is counter to our Major Coats theory is that "he reminded him of Captain Price from CoD." Most people got a fishy vibe from him, not to mention the infrasonic noise emanating from him. Yet he slapped it with a big ol' NO.

Anderson looking straight at the camera when saying "you're indoctrinated" was pretty compelling, however. I didn't think it deserved a "confirmed," but he came up with it so he really liked it, I guess.

On an unrelated note:
Peer review is an awesome thing.

Yeah I thought it was really good, but of course there are a few things that people in this thread would disagree with him on. I think it's somewhat to be expected, as everyone has their own "version" or interpretation of IT, and almost anyone doing a video on it would give a little bias to their own interpretation or the pieces of evidence that stood out to them the most.

I get that, but he was very arrogant. A lot of his logic for dismissing claims was very flawed.

Overall, it was great, but he pissed me off several times. Claiming he'd addressed every shred of evidence without even mentioning infrasound. Sheesh.<_<

[TJBartlemus]

Uncle Jo wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Yes (they were talking about 16 different endings after all ). They also recommand to load a save before the Cronos mission. That is something which intrigues me...

Well if you complete the game, after the credits it sends you back to before you started the Cronos station mission. So it makes sense.

True, but they couldn't send you anywhere else, since after you made your choice, it was the end of Shep's story. No I'm sure there is more to it : the explanation of the ending will begin on the Cronos Station.

You know what. In all the ME, it has you in a scene with your LI before the final mission. And in ME3 you have the scene with your LI before Cronos station...so Cronos station could be considered as part of the ending.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 25 juin 2012 - 01:25 .

[FellishBeast]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Yes (they were talking about 16 different endings after all ). They also recommand to load a save before the Cronos mission. That is something which intrigues me...

Well if you complete the game, after the credits it sends you back to before you started the Cronos station mission. So it makes sense.

True, but they couldn't send you anywhere else, since after you made your choice, it was the end of Shep's story. No I'm sure there is more to it : the explanation of the ending will begin on the Cronos Station.

You know what. In all the ME, it has you in a scene with your LI before the final mission. So Cronos station could be considered as part of the ending.

Cronos is the point of no return. Just like Ilos.

[RaenImrahl]

BatmanTurian wrote...

yes, the report function seems to have been fixed, much to the chagrin of trolls.

The reporting function works but it is not very helpful in a thread that is more than 1000 pages.  Instead, it is best to send a PM to a moderator (or a few).

[estebanus]

I'm starting to think that there aren't a lot of people in this network who quite understand the idea of nuclear detterence, but they like raving on about it as if they know everything anyway...

[v0rt3x22]

FellishBeast wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

That's because it's not really that well-done, or at least there are several things he got wrong on an epic scale...

like what?

Well is counter to our Major Coats theory is that "he reminded him of Captain Price from CoD." Most people got a fishy vibe from him, not to mention the infrasonic noise emanating from him. Yet he slapped it with a big ol' NO.

Anderson looking straight at the camera when saying "you're indoctrinated" was pretty compelling, however. I didn't think it deserved a "confirmed," but he came up with it so he really liked it, I guess.

On an unrelated note:
Peer review is an awesome thing.

I wouldn't say that made it wrong - but just a different way of interpreting it.

I disagreed with a few things in both of his videos as well though:

- His theory on the white light. I thought it was just a bit nit picking.

- Same for the pulsating light in his first video - by the beam. Again - I don't think that is significant.

- The same goes for his theory on the positioning of Shepard and how he got hit by the beam.

- The different armor that Shepard wears by the beam - as far as I'm concerned - is just blown up. Even if dreamt.

- The Kaiden / Ashley bodies by the beam (in the first vid) - were also a bit too much speculation on their identity.

- Also the thing about Anderson being on the Citadel. In the first video he states that this is a fabrication of the reapers - in order to feed Shepard with false information. I disagree. I think its a fabrication of Shepard and its his own mind which is trying to make sense of it within the dream.

- I was also surprised that the "moving walls" which Anderson talks about - wasn't being referenced as possibly being the moving walls that you encounter when you cross the catwalk.

- In the first documentary he also seemed to be confused about a final battle being talked about in the ME3 booklet. I think the booklet was simply created before they changed the ending - and that originally there was going to be a boss fight - but they simply scrapped it.

In the second video he talks about:

- The QA team not catching the bug about the child running into a closed door. I dismiss this. I work in the gaming industry - and have worked in QA myself. It is not always up to the testers on what bugs get fixed - regardless of whether they find them or not. Not all bugs are fixed - and are often deemed as "ok" to leave in.

- I also drew comparison of the way he was noting that the kid travels around in the first level - from A to B. I saw heavy reference here myself - to the Half-Life games - in which the "GMan" travels around and pops up in many different places.

- The tree reflection thing at the very end of the game - I simply dismiss. I think this was just a material that the dev team chose - which - by coincidence - happened to have trees as a reflective material embedded. From the footage it was also very hard to make out whether those were trees.

- The relay explosion not originating from Sol - was interesting - but again - I would see this as perhaps an oversight by the design team. Time will tell.

Having said that - I am a strong supporter of the InDoc theory - and one of the few people left on tthe forums who actually liked the ending to begin with - because I think "IT" was planned by BioWare all along. 

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 25 juin 2012 - 01:29 .

[BatmanTurian]

RaenImrahl wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

yes, the report function seems to have been fixed, much to the chagrin of trolls.

The reporting function works but it is not very helpful in a thread that is more than 1000 pages.  Instead, it is best to send a PM to a moderator (or a few).

very well, thank you for the clarification

[Starbuck8]

RaenImrahl wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

yes, the report function seems to have been fixed, much to the chagrin of trolls.

The reporting function works but it is not very helpful in a thread that is more than 1000 pages.  Instead, it is best to send a PM to a moderator (or a few).

Thanks again. We'll keep you guys/gals on speed dial

[Starbuck8]

FellishBeast wrote...

I get that, but he was very arrogant. A lot of his logic for dismissing claims was very flawed.

Overall, it was great, but he pissed me off several times. Claiming he'd addressed every shred of evidence without even mentioning infrasound. Sheesh.<_<

Yeah , guess I let that tone slide since I hear it a lot on YouTube...

And to add, I did appreciate that he adressed the opposition many times throughout the vid.

[FellishBeast]

@v0rt3x22

I'm joining a MP game atm so I can't thoroughly respond to your post, but in regards to the pulsing lights by the beam, what I found interesting is that same effect is seen in the tunnel with the keepers, and there are no light sources like that anywhere. Feels like a projection

[Big G13]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also @Jadeba8y88

"I contemplated the size."

That's what she said.

hehe, I have really missed Jadeba8y88. :happy:

[deltacypresss]

-Lurker mode deactivated-

well that was an interesting few days. Hurrah for EC.Now i just wait patiently.

i did have a theory about the end, but it all seems so pointless now. since i will just find out in two days.

[Jadebaby]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also @Jadeba8y88

"I contemplated the size."

That's what she said.

Oh snap!

Well it is the extended cut....

[L0NEWOLF25]

I just thought of something. What if Star child is really a "Being of Light" but he is Indocterated/part of an Indocterated race? kinda like the Keepers or Collectors. Then again this is happending in shepard's mind, as the IT would suggest, so I doubt it. Tehn again We don't know what this race is/was capable of and neither does shepard, but the reapers know and they might be able to use them in some way, once again like the Collectors and keepers. I don't know It's just something I thought of. I at least hope It gets people to come up with some other things for this theory even though EC is less than 2 days away and it might not be the most useful thing to do.

Modifié par L0NEWOLF25, 25 juin 2012 - 01:42 .

[Arian Dynas]

FellishBeast wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

That's because it's not really that well-done, or at least there are several things he got wrong on an epic scale...

like what?

Well is counter to our Major Coats theory is that "he reminded him of Captain Price from CoD." Most people got a fishy vibe from him, not to mention the infrasonic noise emanating from him. Yet he slapped it with a big ol' NO.

Anderson looking straight at the camera when saying "you're indoctrinated" was pretty compelling, however. I didn't think it deserved a "confirmed," but he came up with it so he really liked it, I guess.

On an unrelated note:
Peer review is an awesome thing.

Yeah I thought it was really good, but of course there are a few things that people in this thread would disagree with him on. I think it's somewhat to be expected, as everyone has their own "version" or interpretation of IT, and almost anyone doing a video on it would give a little bias to their own interpretation or the pieces of evidence that stood out to them the most.

I get that, but he was very arrogant. A lot of his logic for dismissing claims was very flawed.

Overall, it was great, but he pissed me off several times. Claiming he'd addressed every shred of evidence without even mentioning infrasound. Sheesh.<_<

Which is why I don't watch him or paticularly like him, to be entirely honest.

[Big G13]

Starbuck8 wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

yes, the report function seems to have been fixed, much to the chagrin of trolls.

The reporting function works but it is not very helpful in a thread that is more than 1000 pages.  Instead, it is best to send a PM to a moderator (or a few).

Thanks again. We'll keep you guys/gals on speed dial

Really like this guy/gal. The moderators must be expecting a giant S storm if they are giving us tips on how to report trolls. I mean, is that common. idk.

[Arian Dynas]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Also @Jadeba8y88

"I contemplated the size."

That's what she said.

Oh snap!

Well it is the extended cut....

So it's extra circumsized then?

[BatmanTurian]

L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

I just thought of something. What if Star child is really a "Being of Light" but he is Indocterated/part of an Indocterated race? kinda like the Keepers or Collectors. Then again this is happending in shepard's mind, as the IT would suggest, so I doubt it. We don't know what this race is/was capable of and neither does shepard but the reapers know and might be able to use them in a way as they have done with other races like the Collectors and keepers. I don't know It's just something I thought of. I at least hope It gets people to come up with some other things for this theory even though EC is less than 2 days away and it might not be the most useful thing to do.

no. no beings of light. please. no. just no.

respectfully, no.