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[Starbuck8]

papapwnzone wrote...

I'm somewhat inebriated atm, but this is the only thing I read and was able to read quickly and realized that's all I kind of care about lol...especially since I've considered the ending DLC might not be as fufilling as I'd hoped. To be more accurate the current failure of an ending has had such a long time to stew and fester in my mind that no alternate or more explanative ending will even seem canon/logical unless Bioware actually takes the criticisms and interpretations from the fans to heart.

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I just realized that I will have to go through the entire Priority:Earth for the EC.

Awwwww no

The ME3 endings have driven some to alcoholism? This is not good.

[Ravereth]

Hey guys, anything new since yesterday?

[fade2black.1337]

There is one thing I really don't understand.

In the eventuality that the IT is going to be disproven in the upcoming EC DLC, I think that by letting the theory grow this much among the fans withuot ever denying it or at least toning it down, they are going to get even more rage than the one they are trying to cool down.
Thats because they have let a consistent part of the fans (and potential buyers of future -PAID- dlc) hope in something the developers know they weren't going to deliver.
I think that this kind of approach would have had much more sense if the EC was going to be paid, because they would have raised the expectation and gained profit from the curiosity of the speculating fanbase. On the contrary by making it free they will definitely download it, be pi^^ed off and stay away from future dlc, and bioware will not even get any revenue from the first -and surely most downloaded- dlc for ME3.

What i don't understand is why they didn't do anything to prevent the fans to go too deep into speculation. In my opinion they should have had avoided to create such a myth if they it wasn't true.

Sorry for my english, i hope you get what i mean.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Running the ending again and noticed something interesting in the TIM scene.

If you choose the paragon path of conversation there is a single moment when the black tendrils appear while focusing on TIM instead of Shepard and that is when TIM says: "I cant...They are too strong!"

The exact part where he realizes and admits he is Indoctrinated, black tendrils appear. I just found this interesting.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 25 juin 2012 - 09:25 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

fade2black.1337 wrote...

There is one thing I really don't understand.

In the eventuality that the IT is going to be disproven in the upcoming EC DLC, I think that by letting the theory grow this much among the fans withuot ever denying it or at least toning it down, they are going to get even more rage than the one they are trying to cool down.
Thats because they have let a consistent part of the fans (and potential buyers of future -PAID- dlc) hope in something the developers know they weren't going to deliver.
I think that this kind of approach would have had much more sense if the EC was going to be paid, because they would have raised the expectation and gained profit from the curiosity of the speculating fanbase. On the contrary by making it free they will definitely download it, be pi^^ed off and stay away from future dlc, and bioware will not even get any revenue from the first -and surely most downloaded- dlc for ME3.

What i don't understand is why they didn't do anything to prevent the fans to go too deep into speculation. In my opinion they should have had avoided to create such a myth if they it wasn't true.

Sorry for my english, i hope you get what i mean.

Potential outcome, yes. But even if IT is not true they still have fans, and regardless it's possible they have something even more complex than IT or anything else we can think of going on. We can't know for sure of anything until the time comes.

And I believe they meant us to go into heavy speculation, otherwise a few choice things would have been much clearer about the end. Perhaps we'll see that in the EC.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Running the ending again and noticed something interesting in the TIM scene.

If you choose the paragon path of conversation there is a single moment when the black tendrils appear while focusing on TIm instead of Shepard and taht si when TIM: "I cant...They are too strong!"

The exact part where he realizes and admits he is Indoctrinated, black tendrils appear. I just found this interesting.

A sound the color of....oily shadows... Hmn

[Sire Styx]

When the EC is released, this will be the first time I've played ME3 since I reached the ending. I was very disapointed with the ending, for obvious reasons. I don't like multiplayer (I never started playing this series to play multiplayer) and the ending made the replayability of the game drop to zero.

I've now read too much of the IT theory for the ending to make sense any other way. I will be very disapointed if the EC doesn't involve IT or if the EC makes such an awful job of filling the plot holes that it ends up worse than the ending we already have. I'm going to remain hopeful though, because they've had a few months to sort themselves out.

[nightcobra]

this is still the strongest point for IT IMO





simple math


this




plus this





doesn't equal this





it equals ****ing this


what would happen

[Jadebaby]

yep, I think we all already agreed on that nightcobra. But thanks for the HD pics

[Starbuck8]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Running the ending again and noticed something interesting in the TIM scene.

If you choose the paragon path of conversation there is a single moment when the black tendrils appear while focusing on TIm instead of Shepard and taht si when TIM: "I cant...They are too strong!"

The exact part where he realizes and admits he is Indoctrinated, black tendrils appear. I just found this interesting.

I noticed that too! The tendrils seem to always intensify when Shepard is feeling TIM's influence, but all of a sudden, when TIM starts feeling he's been indoctrinated we see the tendrils while focused on him. Very suspicious. A similar thing happens in the renegade scene, just before you shoot him.

[Starbuck8]

fade2black.1337 wrote...

There is one thing I really don't understand.

In the eventuality that the IT is going to be disproven in the upcoming EC DLC, I think that by letting the theory grow this much among the fans withuot ever denying it or at least toning it down, they are going to get even more rage than the one they are trying to cool down.
Thats because they have let a consistent part of the fans (and potential buyers of future -PAID- dlc) hope in something the developers know they weren't going to deliver.
I think that this kind of approach would have had much more sense if the EC was going to be paid, because they would have raised the expectation and gained profit from the curiosity of the speculating fanbase. On the contrary by making it free they will definitely download it, be pi^^ed off and stay away from future dlc, and bioware will not even get any revenue from the first -and surely most downloaded- dlc for ME3.

What i don't understand is why they didn't do anything to prevent the fans to go too deep into speculation. In my opinion they should have had avoided to create such a myth if they it wasn't true.

Sorry for my english, i hope you get what i mean.

Maybe because the EC is not going to disprove IT, and will even make it more obvious 

[thisisme8]

Starbuck8 wrote...
Maybe because the EC is not going to disprove IT, and will even make it more obvious 

They keep saying it will neither confirm or deny, which is good for the community since it allows speculation while adding a bit more closure (or illusion of closure to poor HuskShep - if you follow IT).

[fade2black.1337]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

There is one thing I really don't understand.

In the eventuality that the IT is going to be disproven in the upcoming EC DLC, I think that by letting the theory grow this much among the fans withuot ever denying it or at least toning it down, they are going to get even more rage than the one they are trying to cool down.
Thats because they have let a consistent part of the fans (and potential buyers of future -PAID- dlc) hope in something the developers know they weren't going to deliver.
I think that this kind of approach would have had much more sense if the EC was going to be paid, because they would have raised the expectation and gained profit from the curiosity of the speculating fanbase. On the contrary by making it free they will definitely download it, be pi^^ed off and stay away from future dlc, and bioware will not even get any revenue from the first -and surely most downloaded- dlc for ME3.

What i don't understand is why they didn't do anything to prevent the fans to go too deep into speculation. In my opinion they should have had avoided to create such a myth if they it wasn't true.

Sorry for my english, i hope you get what i mean.

Potential outcome, yes. But even if IT is not true they still have fans, and regardless it's possible they have something even more complex than IT or anything else we can think of going on. We can't know for sure of anything until the time comes.

And I believe they meant us to go into heavy speculation, otherwise a few choice things would have been much clearer about the end. Perhaps we'll see that in the EC.

I know that a lot of fans (most?) aren't "believers"... but I think that speculation gone so wild (and IT has reached the top in the history of games that i'm aware of) when it is finally disproven may be very damaging, even if it doesn't affect the totality or even the majority of the fanbase.

Modifié par fade2black.1337, 25 juin 2012 - 09:35 .

[fade2black.1337]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Maybe because the EC is not going to disprove IT, and will even make it more obvious 

I hope so.. i really like IT and never thought it to be a mass delusion, even now.
In my post i was assuming the worst scenario.

[nightcobra]

thisisme8 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...
Maybe because the EC is not going to disprove IT, and will even make it more obvious 

They keep saying it will neither confirm or deny, which is good for the community since it allows speculation while adding a bit more closure (or illusion of closure to poor HuskShep - if you follow IT).

following IT doesn't mean shepard is automatically a husk though.
you only end up indocrinated (tricked to agreeing with the reapers)
destroy is to resist that attempt
control and synthesis mean submiting, but there's always a chance to pull a "matriarch benezia" and break free of indocrination for a limited time before death.

[Starbuck8]

fade2black.1337 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

There is one thing I really don't understand.

In the eventuality that the IT is going to be disproven in the upcoming EC DLC, I think that by letting the theory grow this much among the fans withuot ever denying it or at least toning it down, they are going to get even more rage than the one they are trying to cool down.
Thats because they have let a consistent part of the fans (and potential buyers of future -PAID- dlc) hope in something the developers know they weren't going to deliver.
I think that this kind of approach would have had much more sense if the EC was going to be paid, because they would have raised the expectation and gained profit from the curiosity of the speculating fanbase. On the contrary by making it free they will definitely download it, be pi^^ed off and stay away from future dlc, and bioware will not even get any revenue from the first -and surely most downloaded- dlc for ME3.

What i don't understand is why they didn't do anything to prevent the fans to go too deep into speculation. In my opinion they should have had avoided to create such a myth if they it wasn't true.

Sorry for my english, i hope you get what i mean.

Potential outcome, yes. But even if IT is not true they still have fans, and regardless it's possible they have something even more complex than IT or anything else we can think of going on. We can't know for sure of anything until the time comes.

And I believe they meant us to go into heavy speculation, otherwise a few choice things would have been much clearer about the end. Perhaps we'll see that in the EC.

I know that a lot of fans (most?) aren't "believers"... but I think that speculation gone so wild (and IT has reached the top in the history of games that i'm aware of), when it is finally disproven, may be very damaging, even if it doesn't affect the totality or even the majority of the fanbase.

They've said repeatedly that the EC will not "confirm nor deny IT" and that if you believe IT, the EC will not change that. We will see what the implications are when the EC comes out.

Thank you for being concerned for us though

[thisisme8]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...
Maybe because the EC is not going to disprove IT, and will even make it more obvious 

They keep saying it will neither confirm or deny, which is good for the community since it allows speculation while adding a bit more closure (or illusion of closure to poor HuskShep - if you follow IT).

following IT doesn't mean shepard is automatically a husk though.
you only end up indocrinated (tricked to agreeing with the reapers)
destroy is to resist that attempt
control and synthesis mean submiting, but there's always a chance to pull a "matriarch benezia" and break free of indocrination for a limited time before death.

I know, I was adding a bit of humor to my post.

[Starbuck8]

fade2black.1337 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Maybe because the EC is not going to disprove IT, and will even make it more obvious 

I hope so.. i really like IT and never thought it to be a mass delusion, even now.
In my post i was assuming the worst scenario.

If they flat out denied IT after all this time, that would be pretty messed up. But they've been very careful not to do that, and we don't think they'll be doing that at all in EC.

[fade2black.1337]

Starbuck8 wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

There is one thing I really don't understand.

In the eventuality that the IT is going to be disproven in the upcoming EC DLC, I think that by letting the theory grow this much among the fans withuot ever denying it or at least toning it down, they are going to get even more rage than the one they are trying to cool down.
Thats because they have let a consistent part of the fans (and potential buyers of future -PAID- dlc) hope in something the developers know they weren't going to deliver.
I think that this kind of approach would have had much more sense if the EC was going to be paid, because they would have raised the expectation and gained profit from the curiosity of the speculating fanbase. On the contrary by making it free they will definitely download it, be pi^^ed off and stay away from future dlc, and bioware will not even get any revenue from the first -and surely most downloaded- dlc for ME3.

What i don't understand is why they didn't do anything to prevent the fans to go too deep into speculation. In my opinion they should have had avoided to create such a myth if they it wasn't true.

Sorry for my english, i hope you get what i mean.

Potential outcome, yes. But even if IT is not true they still have fans, and regardless it's possible they have something even more complex than IT or anything else we can think of going on. We can't know for sure of anything until the time comes.

And I believe they meant us to go into heavy speculation, otherwise a few choice things would have been much clearer about the end. Perhaps we'll see that in the EC.

I know that a lot of fans (most?) aren't "believers"... but I think that speculation gone so wild (and IT has reached the top in the history of games that i'm aware of), when it is finally disproven, may be very damaging, even if it doesn't affect the totality or even the majority of the fanbase.

They've said repeatedly that the EC will not "confirm nor deny IT" and that if you believe IT, the EC will not change that. We will see what the implications are when the EC comes out.

Thank you for being concerned for us though

i'm more concerned about the EC being a disappointment

Can you please provide me the source? i didn't knew they said that, i just listened to the interview that was released with the announcement and i don't remember that particular point.
(for "damaging", i meant damaging to bioware's relationship with their fanbase and therefore for their business, not damaging for the community )

Modifié par fade2black.1337, 25 juin 2012 - 09:45 .

[gunslinger_ruiz]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

this is still the strongest point for IT IMO


simple math

this




plus this





doesn't equal this





it equals ****ing this


what would happen

Could not have said it better myself! And I've tried, these images work out better than a big list of 8 things that kill Shepard in Destroy ...

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I'm pretty disappointed right now that the EC will only add like 10 minutes (and I'm afraid that at least 3 of that will be optional ME2 romance sexytime)
I would have hoped for 30 but I guess time was too short for that

[Arian Dynas]

Bleh, I hate this anticipation, this sucks so much.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm pretty disappointed right now that the EC will only add like 10 minutes (and I'm afraid that at least 3 of that will be optional ME2 romance sexytime)
I would have hoped for 30 but I guess time was too short for that

Reservations. Hopes. Save them for Tuesday. [/salute]

[Arian Dynas]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm pretty disappointed right now that the EC will only add like 10 minutes (and I'm afraid that at least 3 of that will be optional ME2 romance sexytime)
I would have hoped for 30 but I guess time was too short for that

Reservations. Hopes. Save them for Tuesday. [/salute]

10 minutes...

for each kind of playthrough, based off sheer variability.

I'd call that pretty substantial.

[Starbuck8]

fade2black.1337 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

I know that a lot of fans (most?) aren't "believers"... but I think that speculation gone so wild (and IT has reached the top in the history of games that i'm aware of), when it is finally disproven, may be very damaging, even if it doesn't affect the totality or even the majority of the fanbase.

They've said repeatedly that the EC will not "confirm nor deny IT" and that if you believe IT, the EC will not change that. We will see what the implications are when the EC comes out.

Thank you for being concerned for us though

i'm more concerned about the EC being a disappointment

Can you please provide me the source? i didn't knew they said that, i just listened to the interview that was released with the announcement and i don't remember that particular point.

Here are a few from Jessica Merizan's twitter:

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216335345803993088
twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216332500555935744
twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216323581741760512

Modifié par Starbuck8, 25 juin 2012 - 09:54 .