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[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

Ohai All !!!  Any new documentary over the last few hours?

Ohai. Where you been? HF's new video is going to be ready today.

[Golferguy758]

Relevant:

Modifié par Golferguy758, 25 juin 2012 - 11:01 .

[senshi420]

 great, now all i can hear is www.youtube.com/watch in my head

[Smeffects]

Starbuck8 wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

fade2black.1337 wrote...

I know that a lot of fans (most?) aren't "believers"... but I think that speculation gone so wild (and IT has reached the top in the history of games that i'm aware of), when it is finally disproven, may be very damaging, even if it doesn't affect the totality or even the majority of the fanbase.

They've said repeatedly that the EC will not "confirm nor deny IT" and that if you believe IT, the EC will not change that. We will see what the implications are when the EC comes out.

Thank you for being concerned for us though

i'm more concerned about the EC being a disappointment

Can you please provide me the source? i didn't knew they said that, i just listened to the interview that was released with the announcement and i don't remember that particular point.

Here are a few from Jessica Merizan's twitter:

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216335345803993088
twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216332500555935744
twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/216323581741760512

I have big problems with those tweet. It says pretty much that either, IT is real or that IT is not real and some people will be so retarded that they stick to IT what ever happens. Let me rephrase that into context. Lets say IT is wrong and that the whole EC is actually explanations and variations of the ending. You would have to be brain damaged to still belive in IT. Anyone would really think a major company is gona spend this much ressources on free content to make a vague dream... more logical? So if it was a dream, EC would have more hints of that.... it either confirms IT or not. Theres no way around it, because you dont need to clear a dream sequence logic via an extended cut, its a dream it doesent have to make sense.

Baiscly if they feel the need to show me krogan dancing with turians in a cut scene at the end of EC, IT will be dead. Or else why would be the need of such work for closure just to be not real.

Modifié par Smeffects, 25 juin 2012 - 11:08 .

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

They keep saying it will neither confirm or deny, which is good for the community since it allows speculation while adding a bit more closure (or illusion of closure to poor HuskShep - if you follow IT).

No part of that is true. Neither confirming nor denying is literally the worst thing they could do. We've been over this 50,000 times already. Literalists (at least the ones that qualify as sapient beings) hate the ending because it didn't make any sense, not because it didn't provide closure. They took a series that's historically stayed as close to scientifically accurate as sci-fi can possibly be and ended it with an amount of nonsensical space magic that would make Disney writers gag. Indoctrinations can't get closure without IT being outright confirmed because to us the Reapers are still reaping until Shepard gets up and ends them. And while I don't have hard numbers I'd say it's a safe bet that most of us view the Crucible as a Reaper trap. Meaning "Shep fought off the waking nightmare and hit the 'emergency shutdown genocide Cthulhus" button' explanation wouldn't fly. Once again. For the umpteenth time, EC is a massive waste of time if it doesn't address IT one way or the other.

Lastly, AFAIK "they" don't keep saying that. Jessica Merizan keeps saying it. And you must be really new here if you take her word as gospel. I'm sure she's a wonderful lady but you could probably go through her tweets and build a case that Joker is the head keeper and the Normandy is the Citadel from an alternate reality where everyone is a chipmunk.

I don't agree with you. The EC doesn't have to confirm or deny IT if BioWare's secret plan is to extend the story to another full game (especially if IT is ultimately true and the Crucible is a Reaper Doomsday Device). Waking up from the dream and destroying the Crucible leaves organics with no means to defeating the Reapers so a new campaign is needed to create a new weapon for that. Building the Crucible took the whole game so why wouldn't finding another way took another full game? Plus, I want ME4 within the current story and will pay to play it. Of course, the EC can confirm IT but I doubt that in case of the Crucible being a trap we'll get to finish the fight in the ME3 timeframe. Unless the only thing to do is to uninstall the Reaper core from the Crucible. In such an event there may be the final end to the Reapers in the EC.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 11:26 .

[Starbuck8]

Rifneno wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

They keep saying it will neither confirm or deny, which is good for the community since it allows speculation while adding a bit more closure (or illusion of closure to poor HuskShep - if you follow IT).

No part of that is true. Neither confirming nor denying is literally the worst thing they could do. We've been over this 50,000 times already. Literalists (at least the ones that qualify as sapient beings) hate the ending because it didn't make any sense, not because it didn't provide closure. They took a series that's historically stayed as close to scientifically accurate as sci-fi can possibly be and ended it with an amount of nonsensical space magic that would make Disney writers gag. Indoctrinations can't get closure without IT being outright confirmed because to us the Reapers are still reaping until Shepard gets up and ends them. And while I don't have hard numbers I'd say it's a safe bet that most of us view the Crucible as a Reaper trap. Meaning "Shep fought off the waking nightmare and hit the 'emergency shutdown genocide Cthulhus" button' explanation wouldn't fly. Once again. For the umpteenth time, EC is a massive waste of time if it doesn't address IT one way or the other.

Lastly, AFAIK "they" don't keep saying that. Jessica Merizan keeps saying it. And you must be really new here if you take her word as gospel. I'm sure she's a wonderful lady but you could probably go through her tweets and build a case that Joker is the head keeper and the Normandy is the Citadel from an alternate reality where everyone is a chipmunk.

Starbuck8 wrote...

If they flat out denied IT after all this time, that would be pretty messed up. But they've been very careful not to do that, and we don't think they'll be doing that at all in EC.

Honestly, I'm not sure if I'd prefer they firmly killed IT or left it ambiguous. I just want an answer. I'm starting to just want an answer more than the answer I want to hear. ... That sentence sounded better in my head, but you get the gist I think. I'm starting to wonder if a nonsensical space magic ending would be better than an ambiguous non-ending.

I'm very curious about how much really will be left up in the air in the EC. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but EC could pretty much confirm IT short of a data pad message saying "Hey Shep, your indoctrinated!", and technically not be "confirming" IT. But if we end up with an IT that's just about as ambiguous as it is right now (all of our "clues" left in), with all the literal endings "expanded" on, well I will probably be disappointed, unless the literal endings somehow actually make sense and end up being really good.

I really don't want to start prejudging the EC though either way, I'll let it speak for itself tomorrow.

And I'll just add that the whole EC not being "prescriptive" was also mentioned by Gamble at PAX i believe.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Relevant:

So.. exactly 24 hours remain? I'm in a different time zone :/

[paxxton]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Uhm, hello!

Ohai paxxton, I didn't know it was you! You're my favourite IT believer!

Thanks! You're my favorite Shepard that was born on the blue dot.

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Uhm, hello!

Do you guys hear a hum...or is that just me.

It's my new electric toothbrush with a mass effect field. Made in Reaperland.

[paxxton]

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ohai All !!!  Any new documentary over the last few hours?

Ohai. Where you been? HF's new video is going to be ready today.

I was on a trip to a land of no internet access. I'm going to watch the video when it's out.

[Golferguy758]

pirate1802 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Relevant:

So.. exactly 24 hours remain? I'm in a different time zone :/

Roughly.

[v0rt3x22]

Does anyone remember if the "Shepard moving" scene - comes before or after the scene with the kid and his grandfather?

[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ohai All !!!  Any new documentary over the last few hours?

Ohai. Where you been? HF's new video is going to be ready today.

I was on a trip to a land of no internet access. I'm going to watch the video when it's out.

Land of whaaaa

[Starbuck8]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Does anyone remember if the "Shepard moving" scene - comes before or after the scene with the kid and his grandfather?

Do you mean breathing?

[paxxton]

Golferguy758 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Relevant:

So.. exactly 24 hours remain? I'm in a different time zone :/

Roughly.

Timezones do not change time only interpret it. Everybody's going to get the EC for download at the same time (not including those who both own a PS3 AND live outside the US).

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 11:22 .

[Andromidius]

Smeffects wrote...

I have big problems with those tweet. It says pretty much that either, IT is real or that IT is not real and some people will be so retarded that they stick to IT what ever happens. Let me rephrase that into context. Lets say IT is wrong and that the whole EC is actually explanations and variations of the ending. You would have to be brain damaged to still belive in IT. Anyone would really think a major company is gona spend this much ressources on free content to make a vague dream... more logical? So if it was a dream, EC would have more hints of that.... it either confirms IT or not. Theres no way around it, because you dont need to clear a dream sequence logic via an extended cut, its a dream it doesent have to make sense.

Baiscly if they feel the need to show me krogan dancing with turians in a cut scene at the end of EC, IT will be dead. Or else why would be the need of such work for closure just to be not real.

/sigh

That's right, if someone has a different interpretation of a story then they are brain damaged.

/slowclap

Will the same apply to people who dislike IT if its confirmed either directly or via more hints/evidence?

[Andromidius]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Does anyone remember if the "Shepard moving" scene - comes before or after the scene with the kid and his grandfather?

Before, and then cuts to credits.  Stargazer scene is right before the DLC message.

Actually, I'm not sure.  Thought it was before... but I can't find a video to back that up so I'll retract for the time being.

Modifié par Andromidius, 25 juin 2012 - 11:21 .

[olshi]

Who is Jessica Merizan?

[v0rt3x22]

Starbuck8 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Does anyone remember if the "Shepard moving" scene - comes before or after the scene with the kid and his grandfather?

Do you mean breathing?

yea

[Starbuck8]

Andromidius wrote...

/sigh

That's right, if someone has a different interpretation of a story then they are brain damaged.

/slowclap

Will the same apply to people who dislike IT if its confirmed either directly or via more hints/evidence?

Ok that was better than ignoring it.

[MaximizedAction]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Does anyone remember if the "Shepard moving" scene - comes before or after the scene with the kid and his grandfather?

before.

That Grandfather scene is a true Easter Egg, since it's even after the Credits, moreover, if I remember correctly it's only there if you imported a Shepard.

HellishFiend suggested that it might represent a dialog between Bioware and the players.

Because, assume it were 'real', as in a canon scene between two characters in the future. If you look closely at the 'kid' in the scene, it has the body proportions of an adult human -- some here even think it's Shepard. So that grandpa must be some kind of giant. Therefore, taking the scene not to serious is more rewarding than to assume it were 'real'.

[Andromidius]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok that was better than ignoring it.

Couldn't resist. 

Edit: And thanks for the better info then I gave, Maximized.

Modifié par Andromidius, 25 juin 2012 - 11:24 .

[Starbuck8]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Does anyone remember if the "Shepard moving" scene - comes before or after the scene with the kid and his grandfather?

Do you mean breathing?

yea

After the Normandy crash scene, before the credits/stargazer.

[v0rt3x22]

MaximizedAction wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Does anyone remember if the "Shepard moving" scene - comes before or after the scene with the kid and his grandfather?

before.

That Grandfather scene is a true Easter Egg, since it's even after the Credits, moreover, if I remember correctly it's only there if you imported a Shepard.

HellishFiend suggested that it might represent a dialog between Bioware and the players.

Because, assume it were 'real', as in a canon scene between two characters in the future. If you look closely at the 'kid' in the scene, it has the body proportions of an adult human -- some here even think it's Shepard. So that grandpa must be some kind of giant. Therefore, taking the scene not to serious is more rewarding than to assume it were 'real'.

So in IT terms - if the shepard moving scene comes BEFORE - then that should make the Kid / Grandfather scene not be part of the IT attempt.

[Andromidius]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

So in IT terms - if the shepard moving scene comes BEFORE - then that should make the Kid / Grandfather scene not be part of the IT attempt.

Essentially, yes.  But it still sticks out like a sore thumb, and actually made me a bit annoyed when I saw it on my first playthrough.