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[Starbuck8]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Does anyone remember if the "Shepard moving" scene - comes before or after the scene with the kid and his grandfather?

before.

That Grandfather scene is a true Easter Egg, since it's even after the Credits, moreover, if I remember correctly it's only there if you imported a Shepard.

HellishFiend suggested that it might represent a dialog between Bioware and the players.

Because, assume it were 'real', as in a canon scene between two characters in the future. If you look closely at the 'kid' in the scene, it has the body proportions of an adult human -- some here even think it's Shepard. So that grandpa must be some kind of giant. Therefore, taking the scene not to serious is more rewarding than to assume it were 'real'.

So in IT terms - if the shepard moving scene comes BEFORE - then that should make the Kid / Grandfather scene not be part of the IT attempt.

Ah, I was thinking about that earlier today, and the moment we see Shepard breathe, s/he could still be dreaming, alive but still unconscious, so it's hard to say.

[Smeffects]

Andromidius wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

I have big problems with those tweet. It says pretty much that either, IT is real or that IT is not real and some people will be so retarded that they stick to IT what ever happens. Let me rephrase that into context. Lets say IT is wrong and that the whole EC is actually explanations and variations of the ending. You would have to be brain damaged to still belive in IT. Anyone would really think a major company is gona spend this much ressources on free content to make a vague dream... more logical? So if it was a dream, EC would have more hints of that.... it either confirms IT or not. Theres no way around it, because you dont need to clear a dream sequence logic via an extended cut, its a dream it doesent have to make sense.

Baiscly if they feel the need to show me krogan dancing with turians in a cut scene at the end of EC, IT will be dead. Or else why would be the need of such work for closure just to be not real.

/sigh

That's right, if someone has a different interpretation of a story then they are brain damaged.

/slowclap

Will the same apply to people who dislike IT if its confirmed either directly or via more hints/evidence?

It would make people kinda silly to also ignore the facts if EC heavily hint at the whole thing being a dream during EC. There is no problem in interpreting stories. The problem comes from the terrible logic of the writing staff if there is no Hint at IT at all and it would be " true ". The literal ending is much easier to confirm, as you dont need closure of logic in a dream sequence, you need hint that its a dream however.

All im saying is, if the EC does not hint IT at all and its simply more closure, more cut scene of the aftermath. Theres not 5000 ways to interpret this: IT would literally take the route of well i didnt like the EC either so it must also be part of a dream. Dreams dont need clarifications. We will all know tomorow... but as i said these tweet are terrible for both parties(against or for it). Thankfully these tweets are from someone thats not 100% reliable on what happens in the storyline.

So in short yes: Youd be retarded one way or another. If theres hint of IT in EC and you dont belive in IT, theres a problem that you belive they did this DLC for free, with hint of a dream for a form of IT to not be real. The reverse is also true. Unless EC is so amazingly vague that they pretty much didnt do what they said they would, bring closure, which was their flagship of the whole EC.

Modifié par Smeffects, 25 juin 2012 - 11:39 .

[Starbuck8]

olshi wrote...

Who is Jessica Merizan?

Bioware Community Manager. She runs the DA and ME twitter feeds.

[Starbuck8]

*sigh* I'll never link a tweet again! People read way too much into them. And they freak out.

[olshi]

Starbuck8 wrote...

olshi wrote...

Who is Jessica Merizan?

Bioware Community Manager. She runs the DA and ME twitter feeds.

But she is not part of the writing team?

[Andromidius]

Starbuck8 wrote...
Ah, I was thinking about that earlier today, and the moment we see Shepard breathe, s/he could still be dreaming, alive but still unconscious, so it's hard to say.

Probably best to put it aside for the time being, since its unclear what it could mean based on the chronological events.  But for argument's sake, it could mean:

1/ Shepard is still dreaming, but is starting to wake up.
2/ Shepard is dreaming that he breathed (weak).
3/ Its real, and means no matter what you do someone survives and remembers (not sure about this, sounds very weak)
4/ Its 4th wall breaking, a message from Bioware to the player (possible, though why only if you import a character?).

[paxxton]

olshi wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

olshi wrote...

Who is Jessica Merizan?

Bioware Community Manager. She runs the DA and ME twitter feeds.

But she is not part of the writing team?

I don't think so.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 11:32 .

[Starbuck8]

olshi wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

olshi wrote...

Who is Jessica Merizan?

Bioware Community Manager. She runs the DA and ME twitter feeds.

But she is not part of the writing team?

No. And that was pretty clear by her confuzzled comments after ME3 was first released. That's why it's best to take what she says with a grain of salt. She's played the games, she's talked with the devs, but she's not involved in the writing or programming. Sometimes I think that the devs keep her almost as much in the dark as they do the players.

[Rifneno]

MaximizedAction wrote...

When that kind of thinking starts overwhelming be, I think about Arian's theory, and all becomes good again.

The EC not taking a standpoint on IT doesn't hurt IT in any way. It can, of course, hurt individual players who relyed on the EC to finally give them 'closure' on all things ME3 and Shepard's story arc in general.
Yes, this game costs me too, nearly too much attention and brain processing power and I would also love to finally call it a day. But on the other hand, with a lot of DLC yet to be announced (remember: Comic Con is coming with a lot of 'stuff' to present), they have an awefull lot of devious possibilities to reveal IT.
The EC might give closure to the ending that is on the ME3 discs, but maybe not to the overall storyline.

I don't even remember Arian's theory completely, but I remember thinking "meh."

Yes, EC not taking a stand on IT would be catastrophic to IT. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise because Arian thinks there's some elaborate marketing scheme. When people pointed out the lack of an ending, we always said "there'll be DLC later that confirms it and gives us the end." Now they give us a massive DLC that took them 3 months of ass busting to make in response to the outcry against the ending, and you want us to write it off and say "yeah I guess that one was fake but the real one's on the way"? No way in hell. We'd be a laughing stock, and goddamn, we should be a laughing stock if we did that.

paxxton wrote...

I don't agree with you. The EC doesn't have to confirm or deny IT if BioWare's secret plan is to extend the story to another full game (especially if IT is ultimately true and the Crucible is a Reaper Doomsday Device). Waking up from the dream and destroying the Crucible leaves organics with no means to defeating the Reapers so a new campaign is needed to create a new weapon for that. Building the Crucible took the whole game so why wouldn't finding another way took another full game? Plus, I want ME4 within the current story and will pay to play it. Of course, the EC can confirm IT but I doubt that in case of the Crucible being a trap we'll get to finish the fight in the ME3 timeframe.

If they're planning to milk another game (why only one, why not another four?) out of what they said was a trilogy from day one, then I hope Mass Effect 4 bombs so hard you can see the mushroom cloud from space. I hope it ends with John Romero smugly satisfied at finally losing his legacy of being the XFL of the video game world. Doing that would be the ultimate betrayal of their precious artistic integrity.

Since we're hanging on old theories, I might add that I've explained in detail, several times, how the Reapers could be destroyed without the Crucible using an already foreshadowed and pretty realistic plan of attack. So no, it would not take another full game.

[Starbuck8]

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...
Ah, I was thinking about that earlier today, and the moment we see Shepard breathe, s/he could still be dreaming, alive but still unconscious, so it's hard to say.

Probably best to put it aside for the time being, since its unclear what it could mean based on the chronological events.  But for argument's sake, it could mean:

1/ Shepard is still dreaming, but is starting to wake up.
2/ Shepard is dreaming that he breathed (weak).
3/ Its real, and means no matter what you do someone survives and remembers (not sure about this, sounds very weak)
4/ Its 4th wall breaking, a message from Bioware to the player (possible, though why only if you import a character?).

Yes, all somewhat plausible. It's one of those things we can't pin down without more clarification...

[Andromidius]

Starbuck8 wrote...
No. And that was pretty clear by her confuzzled comments after ME3 was first released. That's why it's best to take what she says with a grain of salt. She's played the games, she's talked with the devs, but she's not involved in the writing or programming. Sometimes I think that the devs keep her almost as much in the dark as they do the players.

Yeah, wouldn't suprise me.  Either that or she's being fed false information, or being told to make stuff up to throw people off.

Impossible to tell.

[v0rt3x22]

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...
Ah, I was thinking about that earlier today, and the moment we see Shepard breathe, s/he could still be dreaming, alive but still unconscious, so it's hard to say.

Probably best to put it aside for the time being, since its unclear what it could mean based on the chronological events.  But for argument's sake, it could mean:

1/ Shepard is still dreaming, but is starting to wake up.
2/ Shepard is dreaming that he breathed (weak).
3/ Its real, and means no matter what you do someone survives and remembers (not sure about this, sounds very weak)
4/ Its 4th wall breaking, a message from Bioware to the player (possible, though why only if you import a character?).

Well the entire reason I was asking - is because I had theories on who that little kid is at the end - and I was thinking that it might be the same kid (essentially the Starchild) - but with the difference that its Shepard who imagines - that due to his actions - that kid survives.

But if he already wakes up before that scene - it doesn't make that much sense - even though I could still see that working.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

If they're planning to milk another game (why only one, why not another four?) out of what they said was a trilogy from day one, then I hope Mass Effect 4 bombs so hard you can see the mushroom cloud from space. I hope it ends with John Romero smugly satisfied at finally losing his legacy of being the XFL of the video game world. Doing that would be the ultimate betrayal of their precious artistic integrity.

Well being a trilogy doesn't mean you can't expand further, but usually it does result in a pile of garbage.  So I somewhat agree, but I'm willing to be proven wrong if there is a really good and satisfying ME4 (or even a full blown ME3 expansion - not just a DLC mission pack).

We'll see soon enough how the EC turns out.  If it sucks, I'm going to be upset.  But I'm braced for impact so I should get over it faster then I got over what we currently have.

[Starbuck8]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

If they're planning to milk another game (why only one, why not another four?) out of what they said was a trilogy from day one, then I hope Mass Effect 4 bombs so hard you can see the mushroom cloud from space. I hope it ends with John Romero smugly satisfied at finally losing his legacy of being the XFL of the video game world. Doing that would be the ultimate betrayal of their precious artistic integrity.

Well being a trilogy doesn't mean you can't expand further, but usually it does result in a pile of garbage.  So I somewhat agree, but I'm willing to be proven wrong if there is a really good and satisfying ME4 (or even a full blown ME3 expansion - not just a DLC mission pack).

We'll see soon enough how the EC turns out.  If it sucks, I'm going to be upset.  But I'm braced for impact so I should get over it faster then I got over what we currently have.

Psshh. They would never make an ME4. It would be called ME3, Part II
Lol ok I'm (mostly) kidding.

[Andromidius]

v0rt3x22 wrote...
Well the entire reason I was asking - is because I had theories on who that little kid is at the end - and I was thinking that it might be the same kid (essentially the Starchild) - but with the difference that its Shepard who imagines - that due to his actions - that kid survives.

But if he already wakes up before that scene - it doesn't make that much sense - even though I could still see that working.

Yeah, its very confusing.  Especially considering the kid seems to have the same voice.

[paxxton]

1111 = 15 in binary

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 11:40 .

[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

1111 = 15 in binary

Orly?

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Well being a trilogy doesn't mean you can't expand further, but usually it does result in a pile of garbage.  So I somewhat agree, but I'm willing to be proven wrong if there is a really good and satisfying ME4 (or even a full blown ME3 expansion - not just a DLC mission pack).

No, expanding on it is fine.  But it does mean that the main story arc is supposed to be concluded.  The Reapers' invasion needs to be halted in ME3.

[Starbuck8]

So paxxton are you excited to see if any of your theories turned out to be true?

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Well being a trilogy doesn't mean you can't expand further, but usually it does result in a pile of garbage.  So I somewhat agree, but I'm willing to be proven wrong if there is a really good and satisfying ME4 (or even a full blown ME3 expansion - not just a DLC mission pack).

No, expanding on it is fine.  But it does mean that the main story arc is supposed to be concluded.  The Reapers' invasion needs to be halted in ME3.

Halted, but not necessarily outright defeated?

Would be interesting to see the Reapers flat out retreat.  Because then they can come back later with different tactics.

That being said...  A proper ending would be nice.  Means future ME games could focus on other enemies.

[paxxton]

Starbuck8 wrote...

So paxxton are you excited to see if any of your theories turned out to be true?

Of course, any day now...

[Starbuck8]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Well being a trilogy doesn't mean you can't expand further, but usually it does result in a pile of garbage.  So I somewhat agree, but I'm willing to be proven wrong if there is a really good and satisfying ME4 (or even a full blown ME3 expansion - not just a DLC mission pack).

No, expanding on it is fine.  But it does mean that the main story arc is supposed to be concluded.  The Reapers' invasion needs to be halted in ME3.

Halted, but not necessarily outright defeated?

Would be interesting to see the Reapers flat out retreat.  Because then they can come back later with different tactics.

That being said...  A proper ending would be nice.  Means future ME games could focus on other enemies.

Now that would be interesting. Repears retreating back to dark space... This is the first time I've heard an idea that could plausibly make a good ME4. Anything else I've tried thinking of seemed really lame. Not that I'm advocating for an ME4, mind you.

[v0rt3x22]

Wow have all the trolls disappeared? What's going on here?

We're actually having a mature and serious discussion about a potential sequel.

I'm impressed.

[paxxton]

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

1111 = 15 in binary

Orly?

(moving from the last 1 towards the first 1) 2^0 + 2^1 + 2^2 + 2^3 = 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 = 15

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 11:50 .

[Andromidius]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Now that would be interesting. Repears retreating back to dark space... This is the first time I've heard an idea that could plausibly make a good ME4. Anything else I've tried thinking of seemed really lame. Not that I'm advocating for an ME4, mind you.

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?

Now that would be an interesting twist.