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[v0rt3x22]

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Now that would be interesting. Repears retreating back to dark space... This is the first time I've heard an idea that could plausibly make a good ME4. Anything else I've tried thinking of seemed really lame. Not that I'm advocating for an ME4, mind you.

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?

Now that would be an interesting twist.

It'd be an interesting twist - but I usually don't like sequels which put people in a different character than before - while having the previous character still in the game.

[WolfyZA]

This is how I saw the Stargazer scene:

Grand pa:"...ok time for one more story..." = Want more ME 3??? Buy the DLC!!!

It didnt have anything to do with the actual story line IMO, its just to motivate the customers to buy more DLC as it releases.

[Smeffects]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Now that would be interesting. Repears retreating back to dark space... This is the first time I've heard an idea that could plausibly make a good ME4. Anything else I've tried thinking of seemed really lame. Not that I'm advocating for an ME4, mind you.

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?

Now that would be an interesting twist.

It'd be an interesting twist - but I usually don't like sequels which put people in a different character than before - while having the previous character still in the game.

Nah i like the idea. It would be fun, but its way out there.

[paxxton]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Now that would be interesting. Repears retreating back to dark space... This is the first time I've heard an idea that could plausibly make a good ME4. Anything else I've tried thinking of seemed really lame. Not that I'm advocating for an ME4, mind you.

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?

Now that would be an interesting twist.

It'd be an interesting twist - but I usually don't like sequels which put people in a different character than before - while having the previous character still in the game.

Vox Draco presented an interesting concept for ME4's story or at least a big post-ending DLC.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 11:53 .

[Smeffects]

WolfyZA wrote...

This is how I saw the Stargazer scene:

Grand pa:"...ok time for one more story..." = Want more ME 3??? Buy the DLC!!!

It didnt have anything to do with the actual story line IMO, its just to motivate the customers to buy more DLC as it releases.

touche.

[Andromidius]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Now that would be interesting. Repears retreating back to dark space... This is the first time I've heard an idea that could plausibly make a good ME4. Anything else I've tried thinking of seemed really lame. Not that I'm advocating for an ME4, mind you.

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?

Now that would be an interesting twist.

It'd be an interesting twist - but I usually don't like sequels which put people in a different character than before - while having the previous character still in the game.

Starcraft does this, though Kerrigan was only a supporting character before she was infested.

Of course, it would only happen if Shepard is indoctrinated.  Making it rather difficult to properly tie in to another sequel.  Who would Shepard be after if the Reapers lost their primary agent?

[NRieh]

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?
Now that would be an interesting twist.

It COULD be an interesting twist if not for StarWars, DIABLO1\\2, Warcraft3\\WoW (and many other less known, I suppose)

[Starbuck8]

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Now that would be interesting. Repears retreating back to dark space... This is the first time I've heard an idea that could plausibly make a good ME4. Anything else I've tried thinking of seemed really lame. Not that I'm advocating for an ME4, mind you.

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?

Now that would be an interesting twist.

Quick, someone tweet BioWare before it's too late!

[paxxton]

Andromidius wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Now that would be interesting. Repears retreating back to dark space... This is the first time I've heard an idea that could plausibly make a good ME4. Anything else I've tried thinking of seemed really lame. Not that I'm advocating for an ME4, mind you.

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?

Now that would be an interesting twist.

It'd be an interesting twist - but I usually don't like sequels which put people in a different character than before - while having the previous character still in the game.

Starcraft does this, though Kerrigan was only a supporting character before she was infested.

Of course, it would only happen if Shepard is indoctrinated.  Making it rather difficult to properly tie in to another sequel.  Who would Shepard be after if the Reapers lost their primary agent?

I like the idea! But there has to be a save import option so that the players get to see what monstrosity they have created.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 11:56 .

[Starbuck8]

Nrieh wrote...

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?
Now that would be an interesting twist.

It COULD be an interesting twist if not for StarWars, DIABLO12, Warcraft3WoW (and many other less known, I suppose)

There's no such thing as originality anymore. Well actually there's hope, if IT is true

[v0rt3x22]

I think especially because there is talk about "One more story about the Shepard" - there is a possibility that we will either get another DLC which will wrap up the story - but at the same time bridge the gap between ME3 and a potential ME4 - like Arrival.

[Andromidius]

Nrieh wrote...

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?
Now that would be an interesting twist.

It COULD be an interesting twist if not for StarWars, DIABLO12, Warcraft3WoW (and many other less known, I suppose)

Well nothing is completely original.

[playoff52]

Ok so I know there's usually been a lot of rage about the catalyst/starchild popping up in the last cutscene of the game but I just caught an interesting bit of dialog out of Vendetta on Thessia where he says they suspected the reapers were just pawns of something else pushing the cycle agenda.

It actually hit me as a bit of a shock since I glossed over the bit of info the first play through. It's not as much fore shadowing as I'd think you'd require for having a second deus machina plot device in the game....but at least it was marginally hinted at.

Figured I'd toss that out for anyone unaware to chew on.

[senshi420]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Now that would be interesting. Repears retreating back to dark space... This is the first time I've heard an idea that could plausibly make a good ME4. Anything else I've tried thinking of seemed really lame. Not that I'm advocating for an ME4, mind you.

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?

Now that would be an interesting twist.

Quick, someone tweet BioWare before it's too late!

that would be awesome i think, facing down a perversion of something you helped create. especially if they made it YOUR shep you had to kill/bring down, talk about being emotionally invested. there would be real pain in something like that if done right. 

[Andromidius]

paxxton wrote...
I like the idea! But there has to be a save import option so that the players get to see what monstrosity they have created.

Or it just completely ignores what happened previously (like ME3 does on a few occasions), and not use imports at all.  Fresh character, fresh game files.

Would feel...weird.  But it would solve the problem with vastly differing imports.

[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

So paxxton are you excited to see if any of your theories turned out to be true?

Of course, any day now...

I have a theory myself, that you're seeding the BSN with theories with the hope that one of them turns out to be right and you hit the Jackpot! Can we split the winnings if I post in support? :happy:

[Asef Dimakiir]

senshi420 wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Now that would be interesting. Repears retreating back to dark space... This is the first time I've heard an idea that could plausibly make a good ME4. Anything else I've tried thinking of seemed really lame. Not that I'm advocating for an ME4, mind you.

Is it wrong that I'm imagining a possible Indoctrinated Shepard being the main villian of ME4, and you're a new hero who's trying to stop him/her?

Now that would be an interesting twist.

Quick, someone tweet BioWare before it's too late!

that would be awesome i think, facing down a perversion of something you helped create. especially if they made it YOUR shep you had to kill/bring down, talk about being emotionally invested. there would be real pain in something like that if done right. 

That's what I thought of when I thought of Shepard becoming indoctrinated (wrong choice) that you either take control of a delusional Shep and possibly attack your own squadmates OR you take control of your squadmates and have to fight through Shepard and probably kill him/her or convince your shepard to kill themselves  to activate the crucible properly. It'd be almost like doing a Saren/TIM ... except with your own character. That'd be heart breaking, but also incredibly good and -very- interesting. Not something I've seen game-wise before other than Breath of Fire 4, then again that's an entirely different type of game. XD

EDIT: Also, I meant this sequence to happen at the end of ME3. Not in ME4 at all. ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, which I'm totally fine with -- as long as it's concluded well. Good or Bad consequence in the end.

Modifié par Asef Dimakiir, 25 juin 2012 - 12:04 .

[nightcobra]

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Well being a trilogy doesn't mean you can't expand further, but usually it does result in a pile of garbage.  So I somewhat agree, but I'm willing to be proven wrong if there is a really good and satisfying ME4 (or even a full blown ME3 expansion - not just a DLC mission pack).

No, expanding on it is fine.  But it does mean that the main story arc is supposed to be concluded.  The Reapers' invasion needs to be halted in ME3.

Halted, but not necessarily outright defeated?

Would be interesting to see the Reapers flat out retreat.  Because then they can come back later with different tactics.

That being said...  A proper ending would be nice.  Means future ME games could focus on other enemies.

i'd rather the reapers to be defeated and outright destroyed while the master of the reapers and the cycles pattern remains unknown. for the time being the galaxy would be safe but we would only have the knowledge that we destroyed the enforcers of the pattern, not its master.
this would close the chapter of the reaper wars and leave it open for this unknown being to manifest itself later. 

[paxxton]

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

So paxxton are you excited to see if any of your theories turned out to be true?

Of course, any day now...

I have a theory myself, that you're seeding the BSN with theories with the hope that one of them turns out to be right and you hit the Jackpot! Can we split the winnings if I post in support? :happy:

LOL. Those theories may seem a bit far-fetched in places but generally they make up for a great opportunities (both in story-telling (UNIT) and business practice (RSDT)). UNIT explains why we see strangeness in the ending and RSDT allows BioWare to finish the trilogy with a bang, release another ME trilogy and make people's minds blow. Plus, $$$.

As for the Jackpot. I'm in desperate need for dog's food for my hungry dog but if something's left then who knows. \\

Oh, but still you have to post a long post to enter the sweepstakes. And I think I haven't seen you around the UNIT thread.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 12:22 .

[Starbuck8]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Wow have all the trolls disappeared? What's going on here?

We're actually having a mature and serious discussion about a potential sequel.

I'm impressed.

I noticed this tends to happen really late at night/early morning, at least in my time zone. It's nice to have a decent conversation without being bombarded by them.

Anyway, I should really get to bed. Night everyone

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

playoff52 wrote...

Ok so I know there's usually been a lot of rage about the catalyst/starchild popping up in the last cutscene of the game but I just caught an interesting bit of dialog out of Vendetta on Thessia where he says they suspected the reapers were just pawns of something else pushing the cycle agenda.

It actually hit me as a bit of a shock since I glossed over the bit of info the first play through. It's not as much fore shadowing as I'd think you'd require for having a second deus machina plot device in the game....but at least it was marginally hinted at.

Figured I'd toss that out for anyone unaware to chew on.

Idd take that sentence from vendetta with a grain of salt, mostly due to simple question. How did the Protheans reach that conclusion?

The Reaper nearly wipe each past cycle away with every pass, to quote Liara. "We know little of the Protheans and next to nothing of those before." Though Liara did see the signs of systematic extincition in her ressearch she never got any conclusive on what caused it, so how did the Protheans?

Even more so how did they gain knowledge of some great mastermind behind the curtain when we, when the Reapers are in our face, dont even have hints of that.

There is just way too many questions of how the Protheans learned that and too few answers for me not to take what Vendetta says with a grain of salt.

[v0rt3x22]

Actually while we're having a mature conversation (finally) - I wanted to pitch something to you guys.

The crucible.

It relates to the IT theory - and that the ghost child is basically lying and a fabrication by the reapers.

I was wondering....

In the Mass Effect Wiki it says that no one knows who first built the Crucible (who had the idea) - and that it was a collaboration of many species in every cycle - but no one managed to activate the thing.

Well it got me thinking....if, who ever came up with the crucible at the very beginning, wanted to build a machine in a last attempt to win the war - why would they bother to create the crucible in such a way that you may either control the reapers or perform synthesis?

If you're in a hurry for survival - you'd be building a bomb - and nothing but a bomb.

So here's my theory: The crucible is a lie.

A fabrication of no other than - The Reapers.

Think about it - Legion said that the Geth were performing a social experiment in ME2 - in which they made up a story of a star system - which sparked some species to believe that it was proof of their gods.

He says that the social experiment ended when people actually started going to those stars and found out that they never existed.

But the Geth learned much in the process.

Now - the same could be said about the Crucible.

The Reapers insert a fabrication about a powerful device that may have the ability to destroy them - and they insert it into society.

Over each cycle - the news travels - and the machine is built and refined - but (and this is my opinion):

It doesn't actually work. It was never designed to do anything.

This all fits into IT as well - because the catalyst firing at the end - is only Shepard's thoughts on the fact that he may have succeeded in destroying the reapers.

It could very well be - that the catalyst is used by the reapers to create false hope - and perhaps throw off society into believing that they have a fighting chance. Sort of to create a diversion - or for some other purpose.

Thoughts?

[Starbuck8]

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

So paxxton are you excited to see if any of your theories turned out to be true?

Of course, any day now...

I have a theory myself, that you're seeding the BSN with theories with the hope that one of them turns out to be right and you hit the Jackpot! Can we split the winnings if I post in support? :happy:

LOL. Those theories may seem a bit far-fetched in places but generally they make up for a great opportunities (both in story-telling (UNIT) and business practice (RSDT)). UNIT explains why we see strangeness in the ending and RSDT allows BioWare to finish the trilogy with a bang, release another ME trilogy and make people's minds blow. Plus, $$$.

As for the Jackpot. I'm in desperate need for dog's food for my hungry dog but if something's left then who knows.

Oh, but still you have to post a long post to enter the sweepstakes. And I think I haven't seen you around the UNIT thread.

Haha aw youre right I don't really venture outside this thread much. Maybe I'll stop by later today. Night paxxton

[Earthborn_Shepard]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Actually while we're having a mature conversation (finally) - I wanted to pitch something to you guys.

The crucible.

It relates to the IT theory - and that the ghost child is basically lying and a fabrication by the reapers.

I was wondering....

In the Mass Effect Wiki it says that no one knows who first built the Crucible (who had the idea) - and that it was a collaboration of many species in every cycle - but no one managed to activate the thing.

Well it got me thinking....if, who ever came up with the crucible at the very beginning, wanted to build a machine in a last attempt to win the war - why would they bother to create the crucible in such a way that you may either control the reapers or perform synthesis?

If you're in a hurry for survival - you'd be building a bomb - and nothing but a bomb.

So here's my theory: The crucible is a lie.

A fabrication of no other than - The Reapers.

Think about it - Legion said that the Geth were performing a social experiment in ME2 - in which they made up a story of a star system - which sparked some species to believe that it was proof of their gods.

He says that the social experiment ended when people actually started going to those stars and found out that they never existed.

But the Geth learned much in the process.

Now - the same could be said about the Crucible.

The Reapers insert a fabrication about a powerful device that may have the ability to destroy them - and they insert it into society.

Over each cycle - the news travels - and the machine is built and refined - but (and this is my opinion):

It doesn't actually work. It was never designed to do anything.

This all fits into IT as well - because the catalyst firing at the end - is only Shepard's thoughts on the fact that he may have succeeded in destroying the reapers.

It could very well be - that the catalyst is used by the reapers to create false hope - and perhaps throw off society into believing that they have a fighting chance. Sort of to create a diversion - or for some other purpose.

Thoughts?

Yeah, that has been mentioned before. With IT, this seems possible.

[playoff52]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

playoff52 wrote...

Ok so I know there's usually been a lot of rage about the catalyst/starchild popping up in the last cutscene of the game but I just caught an interesting bit of dialog out of Vendetta on Thessia where he says they suspected the reapers were just pawns of something else pushing the cycle agenda.

It actually hit me as a bit of a shock since I glossed over the bit of info the first play through. It's not as much fore shadowing as I'd think you'd require for having a second deus machina plot device in the game....but at least it was marginally hinted at.

Figured I'd toss that out for anyone unaware to chew on.

Idd take that sentence from vendetta with a grain of salt, mostly due to simple question. How did the Protheans reach that conclusion?

The Reaper nearly wipe each past cycle away with every pass, to quote Liara. "We know little of the Protheans and next to nothing of those before." Though Liara did see the signs of systematic extincition in her ressearch she never got any conclusive on what caused it, so how did the Protheans?

Even more so how did they gain knowledge of some great mastermind behind the curtain when we, when the Reapers are in our face, dont even have hints of that.

There is just way too many questions of how the Protheans learned that and too few answers for me not to take what Vendetta says with a grain of salt.

Vendetta clearly states they have no clue who is pulling the reapers strings, merely that it was an educated guess they were a means to someone elses ends.

He's not outright saying "The catalyst is a ghostly looking earth child who controls the reapers". Merely "there may be a force exerting control over the reapers perpetuating the cycle."

Not really anything that needs a shadow of doubt to linger with it. It's simply a bad attempt at foreshadowing on the narratives part. I said it wasn't a very good one, but given how terribly the story starts to unwind it's probably as good as you can expect at this point.