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[paxxton]

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

So paxxton are you excited to see if any of your theories turned out to be true?

Of course, any day now...

I have a theory myself, that you're seeding the BSN with theories with the hope that one of them turns out to be right and you hit the Jackpot! Can we split the winnings if I post in support? :happy:

LOL. Those theories may seem a bit far-fetched in places but generally they make up for a great opportunities (both in story-telling (UNIT) and business practice (RSDT)). UNIT explains why we see strangeness in the ending and RSDT allows BioWare to finish the trilogy with a bang, release another ME trilogy and make people's minds blow. Plus, $$$.

As for the Jackpot. I'm in desperate need for dog's food for my hungry dog but if something's left then who knows.

Oh, but still you have to post a long post to enter the sweepstakes. And I think I haven't seen you around the UNIT thread.

Haha aw youre right I don't really venture outside this thread much. Maybe I'll stop by later today. Night paxxton

See ya!

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 12:23 .

[Starbuck8]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Actually while we're having a mature conversation (finally) - I wanted to pitch something to you guys.

The crucible.

It relates to the IT theory - and that the ghost child is basically lying and a fabrication by the reapers.

I was wondering....

In the Mass Effect Wiki it says that no one knows who first built the Crucible (who had the idea) - and that it was a collaboration of many species in every cycle - but no one managed to activate the thing.

Well it got me thinking....if, who ever came up with the crucible at the very beginning, wanted to build a machine in a last attempt to win the war - why would they bother to create the crucible in such a way that you may either control the reapers or perform synthesis?

If you're in a hurry for survival - you'd be building a bomb - and nothing but a bomb.

So here's my theory: The crucible is a lie.

A fabrication of no other than - The Reapers.

Think about it - Legion said that the Geth were performing a social experiment in ME2 - in which they made up a story of a star system - which sparked some species to believe that it was proof of their gods.

He says that the social experiment ended when people actually started going to those stars and found out that they never existed.

But the Geth learned much in the process.

Now - the same could be said about the Crucible.

The Reapers insert a fabrication about a powerful device that may have the ability to destroy them - and they insert it into society.

Over each cycle - the news travels - and the machine is built and refined - but (and this is my opinion):

It doesn't actually work. It was never designed to do anything.

This all fits into IT as well - because the catalyst firing at the end - is only Shepard's thoughts on the fact that he may have succeeded in destroying the reapers.

It could very well be - that the catalyst is used by the reapers to create false hope - and perhaps throw off society into believing that they have a fighting chance. Sort of to create a diversion - or for some other purpose.

Thoughts?

I've thought about this too. Well, in a literal POV of the game, the whole crucible enabling those 3 choices doens't make a whole lot of sense. Neither does the every cycle adds to it story. Of course if the end choices are a hallucination, then I guess we still don't know what the crucible really does, although it still seems suspicious that it could be a trap of some kind.

Ok really going to bed now!

Modifié par Starbuck8, 25 juin 2012 - 12:26 .

[Earthborn_Shepard]

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

[Memnon]

WolfyZA wrote...

This is how I saw the Stargazer scene:

Grand pa:"...ok time for one more story..." = Want more ME 3??? Buy the DLC!!!

It didnt have anything to do with the actual story line IMO, its just to motivate the customers to buy more DLC as it releases.

Oddly enough, this is how I saw it also - when Buzz says something like, "yea but the details have been lost" hinting that everything you did is really just some figment of an unreliable memory

[StElmo]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

To be honest, it's pretty badly written into the plot. They could have done a much better job then an "I win" machine.

Then again, it's not significant enough to have bothered me on it';s own. The ending themes and narrative incohesion.

[NRieh]

There's no such thing as originality anymore. Well actually there's hope, if IT is true

one who've seen several Silent Hill-s(eg SH2) would never consider such thing as IT an "originality"

And to be honest - I'd love to see whether they buit EC so that any kind of headcanon (including IT) survives it. And I'm also curious how long will it take fans to create IT v2.0 or hide back into existing headcanons...in case clarified stuff will be too hard to stomach..

[Uncle Jo]

Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Well being a trilogy doesn't mean you can't expand further, but usually it does result in a pile of garbage.  So I somewhat agree, but I'm willing to be proven wrong if there is a really good and satisfying ME4 (or even a full blown ME3 expansion - not just a DLC mission pack).

No, expanding on it is fine.  But it does mean that the main story arc is supposed to be concluded.  The Reapers' invasion needs to be halted in ME3.

Quoted for truth. I don't mind playing an eventual ME4 without Shep as main character, but whatever BW comes up with the EC, the Reapers must get rid of in one way or another.

[Memnon]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

[MaximizedAction]

Stornskar wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

Maybe they were. But the device didn't let them tell anyone.

[paxxton]

StElmo wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

To be honest, it's pretty badly written into the plot. They could have done a much better job then an "I win" machine.

Then again, it's not significant enough to have bothered me on it';s own. The ending themes and narrative incohesion.

I presume it was written in the language of mathematics which is so elegant that the blueprints could have been understood.

[v0rt3x22]

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

Thus see my theory above.

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

Maybe they were. But the device didn't let them tell anyone.

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I mean the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 01:08 .

[Uncle Jo]

Stornskar wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

They had a rough idea of what it could do (Switch off/Wipe out the Reapers)... The main problem was about the "collateral damages"...

[Earthborn_Shepard]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

Maybe they were. But the device didn't let them tell anyone.

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I meaqn the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

you're right! It even induced some kind of dream

[Andromidius]

A side thought about the Collectors.

Its entirely possible they were used to clean up the Galaxy after the last war, sort of a new idea by the Reapers. Before they may have never really done a good job cleaning up, hense why the Protheans were so clued up about what happened before and even got close to defeating the Reapers (though it did them little good, as we all know).

Also, you see a Collector who's been experimented upon while on the Collector Cruiser. Obviously it was done recently (or the body would have decomposed), so why? Maybe because they were doing experiments on compatiblity between Prothean and Human genetic material? Which would explain why the Human Reaper had a Prothean-style 'double eye' on one side. Its not a hybrid, its a tribrid - Human/Prothean/Reaper. Its also why I was teasing myself with the idea that the Collectors were actually independant from the Reapers - though that idea was shot down when I looked deeper into the evidence.

[v0rt3x22]

paxxton wrote...

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I meaqn the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

Good example.

That device ended up also being a hoax. 

Thus my theory that I just posted.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 25 juin 2012 - 12:53 .

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

Maybe they were. But the device didn't let them tell anyone.

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I meaqn the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

Seen the movie, love it, and actually felt reminded of it by ME3's ending. So apparently the Crucible is another eyewink to the movie...

[Earthborn_Shepard]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

Maybe they were. But the device didn't let them tell anyone.

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I meaqn the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

Seen the movie, love it, and actually felt reminded of it by ME3's ending. So apparently the Crucible is another eyewink to the movie...

the contact device actually looks a LOT like a mass effect portal... with the rotating rings...

[MaximizedAction]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I meaqn the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

Good example.

That device ended up also being a hoax. 

Thus my theory that I just posted.

Whaaat? There is a dialog scene between James Woods' character and that White House lady, where she opposes it being a hoax, as the camera recorded noise, but that for many hours.
So, we don't know if the device did transport Elli to this planet, but we know that it did do something for more hours than it seemed to the people outside of the machine.

[paxxton]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

Maybe they were. But the device didn't let them tell anyone.

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I meaqn the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

you're right! It even induced some kind of dream

SPOILERS FOR CONTACT FOLLOW.
READER'S DISCRETION IS STRONGLY ADVISED.
FOLLOW AT YOUR OWN RISK.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, YOU CAN STILL GO BACK.





uhm, LOL. This is not a real dream. She really travelled to the distant planet but for an observer it seemed as if she just fell through into the sea. There was a tape discussed at the end with hours of static between the beginning and the end of her journey. In my opinion this is the best cliffhanger ending in the history of movies.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

paxxton wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

Maybe they were. But the device didn't let them tell anyone.

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I meaqn the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

you're right! It even induced some kind of dream

SPOILERS FOR CONTACT FOLLOW.
READER'S DISCRETION IS STRONGLY ADVISED.
FOLLOW AT YOUR OWN RISK.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, YOU CAN STILL GO BACK.





uhm, LOL. This is not a real dream. She really travelled to the distant planet but for an observer it seemed as if she just fell through into the sea. There was a tape discussed at the end with hours of static between the beginning and the end of her journey. In my opinion this is the best cliffhanger ending in the history of movies.

That's why I said "kind of", duh.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Thus see my theory above.

It is actually an old idea in this thread, but what exactly the Crucible then is the big question.

Reaper trap is the most common, but that brings about its own problems.

Without the Crucible or some other outside force leveling the playing field, we have allready lost at Earth and by extension the war.

Common ideas as to how the Crucible could function include:

Reaper trap based on existing superweapon. Reapers removed vital compononent (Catalyst) from plans and left them for other races to find and waste ressources building. The Reaper could then work in a revelation of a fake catalyst to lure the enemy to where the Reapers wanted them.

Powersource to activate the Citadel relay for the Reaper for when they leave again for dark space. This ties into taht the Citadel ahs no visible element zero core unlike other Relays and no one has found out taht the citadel is a relay. basicly they havent found out because it is not a relay until the Crucible is connected. As such teh Crucible full fills roughly the same function as above as device the races waste ressources on, but by the end the Reapers capture it for thier own use. The Vanguard left behind then gets rid of teh Crucible once again hiding the fact that the Citadel is a realy from the next cycle.

Mass Indoctrination device. Pretty self explanatory.

As for it might do if the Crucible/Citadel combination is a weapon there are also a few:

Citadel Mass Accelerator Cannon. Basicly this theory is taht the Crucible interacts with the Citadel Relay and turns it into giant Mass Accelerator capable of taking out even the largest Reapers in one shot. Not an instantanious victory, but would level the playing field somewhat. Also ties into the planet Klendagon´s great rift and the derelict Reaper who were both hit by a mass accelerator shot of unimaginable power.

Citadel Overload Bomb. Imagine what happens when you destroy a standard relay and then imagine it with the Citadel relay. Likely a last chance scenario as i doubt anything would get out of that alive, friend or foe.

Reaper shield overload. EMP blast of sorts overloading Reaper shields allowing a more equal fight between the fleet and the Reapers.

This was just some of the ideas which have been brought up throughout this threads life. But as to what the Crucible really does (if IT is correct) we will just ahve to wait and see...hopefully.

[v0rt3x22]

MaximizedAction wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I meaqn the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

Good example.

That device ended up also being a hoax. 

Thus my theory that I just posted.

Whaaat? There is a dialog scene between James Woods' character and that White House lady, where she opposes it being a hoax, as the camera recorded noise, but that for many hours.
So, we don't know if the device did transport Elli to this planet, but we know that it did do something for more hours than it seemed to the people outside of the machine.

Well Eli believes it - as much as Shepard believes (according to IT) - that he saved the planet - which is why you see the crucible firing at the end. It's going on in Shepards mind.

But that doesn't mean it actually happened.

Much like in the movie - the vessel fell right through the machine - and didn't get transported anywhere.

[v0rt3x22]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Thus see my theory above.

It is actually an old idea in this thread, but what exactly the Crucible then is the big question.

Reaper trap is the most common, but that brings about its own problems.

Without the Crucible or some other outside force leveling the playing field, we have allready lost at Earth and by extension the war.

Common ideas as to how the Crucible could function include:

Reaper trap based on existing superweapon. Reapers removed vital compononent (Catalyst) from plans and left them for other races to find and waste ressources building. The Reaper could then work in a revelation of a fake catalyst to lure the enemy to where the Reapers wanted them.

Powersource to activate the Citadel relay for the Reaper for when they leave again for dark space. This ties into taht the Citadel ahs no visible element zero core unlike other Relays and no one has found out taht the citadel is a relay. basicly they havent found out because it is not a relay until the Crucible is connected. As such teh Crucible full fills roughly the same function as above as device the races waste ressources on, but by the end the Reapers capture it for thier own use. The Vanguard left behind then gets rid of teh Crucible once again hiding the fact that the Citadel is a realy from the next cycle.

Mass Indoctrination device. Pretty self explanatory.

As for it might do if the Crucible/Citadel combination is a weapon there are also a few:

Citadel Mass Accelerator Cannon. Basicly this theory is taht the Crucible interacts with the Citadel Relay and turns it into giant Mass Accelerator capable of taking out even the largest Reapers in one shot. Not an instantanious victory, but would level the playing field somewhat. Also ties into the planet Klendagon´s great rift and the derelict Reaper who were both hit by a mass accelerator shot of unimaginable power.

Citadel Overload Bomb. Imagine what happens when you destroy a standard relay and then imagine it with the Citadel relay. Likely a last chance scenario as i doubt anything would get out of that alive, friend or foe.

Reaper shield overload. EMP blast of sorts overloading Reaper shields allowing a more equal fight between the fleet and the Reapers.

This was just some of the ideas which have been brought up throughout this threads life. But as to what the Crucible really does (if IT is correct) we will just ahve to wait and see...hopefully.

Thanks dude - I wasn't aware that theory was pitched before and those are some great things to think about. I'll come back to you on that.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Thanks dude - I wasn't aware that theory was pitched before and those are some great things to think about. I'll come back to you on that.

No problem, we have been on this for 3 months so it is not always easy to know what has been discussed and what has not