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[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

Maybe they were. But the device didn't let them tell anyone.

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I meaqn the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

you're right! It even induced some kind of dream

SPOILERS FOR CONTACT FOLLOW.
READER'S DISCRETION IS STRONGLY ADVISED.
FOLLOW AT YOUR OWN RISK.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, YOU CAN STILL GO BACK.





uhm, LOL. This is not a real dream. She really travelled to the distant planet but for an observer it seemed as if she just fell through into the sea. There was a tape discussed at the end with hours of static between the beginning and the end of her journey. In my opinion this is the best cliffhanger ending in the history of movies.

Ironically, this ending was apparently so well received that it caused the South Park writers to write it into one episode: Mr. Garrison being reminded of the Contact movie ending makes him puke.

[paxxton]

Did you know that Eduard Khill who sang "Trololo" died on June 4th 2012? Just a few weeks ago.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 01:18 .

[v0rt3x22]

Ironically, this ending was apparently so well received

To be honest with you I don't really understand half of the community on BSN - who have a problem with the ending.

Sure we were promised something else - but what better way (if IT is true) - to create a plot twist - by having Shepard almost succumb to indoctrination?

Look - this is my take on it:

Shepard's been through a lot. He survived so much and has been trying to rally allies together ever since the first game.

He's the "go-to" guy for everyone's problems and a leader.

But suddenly - in the third game - we see him from a totally different perspective.

He's tired - he's sick of fighting...all that stress is getting the better of him.

There were even scenes in the game where he was getting pissed at his crew and even his LI (I can't remember exactly where now).

But it shows - Shepard is just human after all.

I can't see a better way (and time) - to show this now - by having him almost succumb to indoctrination.

It makes for one hell of a plot twist - and I always loved the ending for that reason.

I love Mass Effect, I love the universe - I feel for the characters.....I don't get all this hate for BioWare and complaining that the series was supposed to end.

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm still amazed by the fact that they were able to build a giant superweapon in very little time, following blueprints in another language made by another species.

And somehow they still weren't able to ever determine the function of the device ...

Maybe they were. But the device didn't let them tell anyone.

Have you seen Contact? There was a similar device there. I meaqn the scientists also had no idea what it would do upon activation.

you're right! It even induced some kind of dream

SPOILERS FOR CONTACT FOLLOW.
READER'S DISCRETION IS STRONGLY ADVISED.
FOLLOW AT YOUR OWN RISK.
IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, YOU CAN STILL GO BACK.





uhm, LOL. This is not a real dream. She really travelled to the distant planet but for an observer it seemed as if she just fell through into the sea. There was a tape discussed at the end with hours of static between the beginning and the end of her journey. In my opinion this is the best cliffhanger ending in the history of movies.

Ironically, this ending was apparently so well received that it caused the South Park writers to write it into one episode: Mr. Garrison being reminded of the Contact movie ending makes him puke.

The only thing that is unpleasant about the ending of Contact is that the sequel was never created. Perhaps, Carl Sagan would have written it if he hadn't died of pneumonia. Why great people have to die so early?

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 01:32 .

[MaximizedAction]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Ironically, this ending was apparently so well received

To be honest with you I don't really understand half of the community on BSN - who have a problem with the ending.

Sure we were promised something else - but what better way (if IT is true) - to create a plot twist - by having Shepard almost succumb to indoctrination?

Look - this is my take on it:

Shepard's been through a lot. He survived so much and has been trying to rally allies together ever since the first game.

He's the "go-to" guy for everyone's problems and a leader.

But suddenly - in the third game - we see him from a totally different perspective.

He's tired - he's sick of fighting...all that stress is getting the better of him.

There were even scenes in the game where he was getting pissed at his crew and even his LI (I can't remember exactly where now).

But it shows - Shepard is just human after all.

I can't see a better way (and time) - to show this now - by having him almost succumb to indoctrination.

It makes for one hell of a plot twist - and I always loved the ending for that reason.

I love Mass Effect, I love the universe - I feel for the characters.....I don't get all this hate for BioWare and complaining that the series was supposed to end.

Though my comment was about Contact's ending, I completely agree with you on ME3's ending:
On face value, without too much thinking it was "meh". Okay, trippy, melancholic, but meh.

Until one starts thinking, or reading other people think about it...

Before I knew about IT (it took me 2-3 weeks after having played the ending), I was really confused, like REALLY confused about BW's behaviour. Not in that rage like many others, but just confused as f*ck. I never honestly demanded a new ending, I never honestly held any lines...but I wanted to find clues, any clues to find out what made Bioware make these unnatural PR statements and interviews before and after the release.

I expected indoc. to play a more prominent role in ME3 but it never got me suspicious, not to mention Shepard, my ME avatar, going into that trap.

It goes without saying that once I sat down to watch the ACAVYOS video, I walked the Earth with a blown mind for 3 whole weeks. And my faith in Bioware...the only faith I ever had in anything (besides Einstein's theory of relativity )...has been restored into concrete. No way IT is false.

And THAT makes it a damn good ending...without even bing an actual ending.
And that's fine in a time of DLCs.

I don't know why so many people have a hard time imagining that the ending on the discs doesn't necessarily have to be the ending to the game. Yeah, world crushing experience, big whoop...that's how the world works. Gotta adjust to survive.

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

The only thing that is unpleasant about the ending of Contact is that the sequel was never created. Perhaps, Carl Sagan would have written it if he hadn't died of pneumonia. Why great people have to die so early?

[v0rt3x22]

MaximizedAction wrote...

I don't know why so many people have a hard time imagining that the ending on the discs doesn't necessarily have to be the ending to the game.

completely agree with your post.

But on the sentence above - I keep hearing people who didn't like the ending that it was due to bad writing and I even had one guy say that "BioWare isn't that clever" [to create an ending of that magnitude].

How am I supposed to take people seriously that way?

If you understand the ending and still don't like it - due to personal opinion - that's perfectly fine.

But just to simply say "it sucks" without giving specific reasons is just so.....argggg

,...oh and yes I know your comment was on the ending of the movie  which was my point.

If it was well received - then I don't see why a similar ending with ME3 isn't 

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 25 juin 2012 - 01:38 .

[nightcobra]

 watched the 2nd indocrination documentary again.

some people have been arguing that TIM poofing into the control room and anderson being there before shepard is just story flow or gameplay limitations.

....how exactly?

couldn't it have been somewhat simple to integrate more entry points in the control room? it's a circular room, there could have been at least 3 more points of entry. anderson could have arrived through another section closer to the room than shepard and TIM could have been shown entering the room from one of the other entry points.

[v0rt3x22]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

 watched the 2nd indocrination documentary again.

some people have been arguing that TIM poofing into the control room and anderson being there before shepard is just story flow or gameplay limitations.

....how exactly?

couldn't it have been somewhat simple to integrate more entry points in the control room? it's a circular room, there could have been at least 3 more points of entry. anderson could have arrived through another section closer to the room than shepard and TIM could have been shown entering the room from one of the other entry points.

I kind of agree with the fact that it was story flow.

There were a few things from both documentaries that I didn't quite agree with here.

Also the fact that Anderson supposively looks at the camera when saying "You're indoctrinated".

While this may be true - I honestly think this was just a coincidence - and has nothing to do with IT

[MaximizedAction]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

 watched the 2nd indocrination documentary again.

some people have been arguing that TIM poofing into the control room and anderson being there before shepard is just story flow or gameplay limitations.

....how exactly?

couldn't it have been somewhat simple to integrate more entry points in the control room? it's a circular room, there could have been at least 3 more points of entry. anderson could have arrived through another section closer to the room than shepard and TIM could have been shown entering the room from one of the other entry points.

I mentally prepare myself to see something like this in the EC.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 juin 2012 - 01:42 .

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The only thing that is unpleasant about the ending of Contact is that the sequel was never created. Perhaps, Carl Sagan would have written it if he hadn't died of pneumonia. Why great people have to die so early?

A quintessence of his moral teaching. Puts Earth and its inhabitants into the perspective of the vast reaches of the Cosmos.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 01:44 .

[nightcobra]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

 watched the 2nd indocrination documentary again.

some people have been arguing that TIM poofing into the control room and anderson being there before shepard is just story flow or gameplay limitations.

....how exactly?

couldn't it have been somewhat simple to integrate more entry points in the control room? it's a circular room, there could have been at least 3 more points of entry. anderson could have arrived through another section closer to the room than shepard and TIM could have been shown entering the room from one of the other entry points.

I kind of agree with the fact that it was story flow.

There were a few things from both documentaries that I didn't quite agree with here.

Also the fact that Anderson supposively looks at the camera when saying "You're indoctrinated".

While this may be true - I honestly think this was just a coincidence - and has nothing to do with IT

 i honestly thought that was strange as anderson just looked at the screen instead of TIM, as if talking to the player. that's the impression i got when i played it.

[umadcommander]

paxxton wrote...

Did you know that Eduard Khill who sang "Trololo" died on June 4th 2012? Just a few weeks ago.

what? NO! 

[Uncle Jo]

MaximizedAction wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

 watched the 2nd indocrination documentary again.

some people have been arguing that TIM poofing into the control room and anderson being there before shepard is just story flow or gameplay limitations.

....how exactly?

couldn't it have been somewhat simple to integrate more entry points in the control room? it's a circular room, there could have been at least 3 more points of entry. anderson could have arrived through another section closer to the room than shepard and TIM could have been shown entering the room from one of the other entry points.

I mentally prepare myself to see something like this in the EC.

It reminds of a post from someone yesterday, who said that the IT was intended but might be shown in a different way that we have imagined/interpretated it. I found it very interesting.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 25 juin 2012 - 01:47 .

[v0rt3x22]

Uncle Jo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

 watched the 2nd indocrination documentary again.

some people have been arguing that TIM poofing into the control room and anderson being there before shepard is just story flow or gameplay limitations.

....how exactly?

couldn't it have been somewhat simple to integrate more entry points in the control room? it's a circular room, there could have been at least 3 more points of entry. anderson could have arrived through another section closer to the room than shepard and TIM could have been shown entering the room from one of the other entry points.

I mentally prepare myself to see something like this in the EC.

It reminds of a post from someone yesterday, who said that the IT was intended but might be shown in a different way that we have imagined/interpretated it. I found it very interesting.

Can you dig out the comment? I'd be interested.

[LazyTechGuy]

Watching the IT Documentary, Pt. II reignited my hope for IT in tomorrow's EC. I was bummed on Friday, but I have some hope again. Especially seeing how coy Michael Gamble was at that press conference. His little smile and ability to say nothing have to mean something.

Merizan keeps reminding people on Twitter to keep an open mind. I take that to mean don't take everything at face value or assume it's all literal. We'll see tomorrow guys, but I'm ready.

[MaximizedAction]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Watching the IT Documentary, Pt. II reignited my hope for IT in tomorrow's EC. I was bummed on Friday, but I have some hope again. Especially seeing how coy Michael Gamble was at that press conference. His little smile and ability to say nothing have to mean something.

Merizan keeps reminding people on Twitter to keep an open mind. I take that to mean don't take everything at face value or assume it's all literal. We'll see tomorrow guys, but I'm ready.

That and that from the podcast:
"So there's no doubt that there will be a whole new wave of discussion and debate, maybe even controversy. But we didn't do the Extended Cut because we're trying to make everybody happy, make it perfect - we just saw an opportunity to expand on things that we felt could add value to the experience, for those that appreciate it."

That last part however...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 juin 2012 - 01:57 .

[paxxton]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Watching the IT Documentary, Pt. II reignited my hope for IT in tomorrow's EC. I was bummed on Friday, but I have some hope again. Especially seeing how coy Michael Gamble was at that press conference. His little smile and ability to say nothing have to mean something.

Merizan keeps reminding people on Twitter to keep an open mind. I take that to mean don't take everything at face value or assume it's all literal. We'll see tomorrow guys, but I'm ready.

And consider how he spoke during that speech (he repeated the word prescriptive even though he clearly wanted to say more).

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 01:58 .

[nightcobra]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

 watched the 2nd indocrination documentary again.

some people have been arguing that TIM poofing into the control room and anderson being there before shepard is just story flow or gameplay limitations.

....how exactly?

couldn't it have been somewhat simple to integrate more entry points in the control room? it's a circular room, there could have been at least 3 more points of entry. anderson could have arrived through another section closer to the room than shepard and TIM could have been shown entering the room from one of the other entry points.

I mentally prepare myself to see something like this in the EC.

It reminds of a post from someone yesterday, who said that the IT was intended but might be shown in a different way that we have imagined/interpretated it. I found it very interesting.

Can you dig out the comment? I'd be interested.

so many comments and they're still coming more and more:blink:

found one of them but i can't find the other which was better

"Plus, TIM tends to show up out of nowhere all the time, and not just through his little holographic thing. If the arms of the Citadel were already closed before Shep got there, it's logical to assume TIM had already arrived at the Citadel beforehand to warn the Reapers - just like it's plausible to assume that, since Shepard has been the only one to achieve the impossible in ME1 and ME2, Hackett, through those mysterious comms of the Mass Effect universe that just happen to be tuned in to- " 


...soooo many comments

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 25 juin 2012 - 01:58 .

[Uncle Jo]

v0rt3x22 wrote...


Can you dig out the comment? I'd be interested.

Here you go...


FellishBeast wrote...

"Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with.
If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is
true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say?"


Arian Dynas wrote...
"I get what he means. Basically "Indoctrination Theory" is a fan creation, based off our interpretation of "The Shepard Indoctrination Plotline" they share the same facts and the same idea, only one is a guess and the other is a surety. If that makes sense.

Basically it's the "Vader did kill your father, from a certain point of veiw" thing. Bioware can't confirm IT, since IT was made by us, but they can confirm Shepard's Indoctrination. This is our theory, and our concept can be proven correct, or Jossed."

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 25 juin 2012 - 02:03 .

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Watching the IT Documentary, Pt. II reignited my hope for IT in tomorrow's EC. I was bummed on Friday, but I have some hope again. Especially seeing how coy Michael Gamble was at that press conference. His little smile and ability to say nothing have to mean something.

Merizan keeps reminding people on Twitter to keep an open mind. I take that to mean don't take everything at face value or assume it's all literal. We'll see tomorrow guys, but I'm ready.

That and that from the podcast:
"So there's no doubt that there will be a whole new wave of discussion and debate, maybe even controversy. But we didn't do the Extended Cut because we're trying to make everybody happy, make it perfect - we just saw an opportunity to expand on things that we felt could add value to the experience, for those that appreciate it."

That last part however...

That's the most interesting part. They saw that IT gives them a great chance too improve not only their game but also the field of interactive story-telling itself (by making their game a metaexperience).

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 02:02 .

[v0rt3x22]

I still can't get over the fact that nobody seems to be trolling today. If anything I'm getting the impression as if I'm getting through to people who don't believe in IT.

But yes - I'll shut up - don't want to jinx =P

[v0rt3x22]

[quote]Uncle Jo wrote...

[quote]v0rt3x22 wrote...


Can you dig out the comment? I'd be interested.

[/quote]Here you go...

[quote]FellishBeast wrote...



Hey guys...just a random thought, but I
think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with.
If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It
would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask
about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to
confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right
questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is
true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be
exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.



Do you understand what I'm trying to say?

[quote]Arian Dynas wrote...
I get what he means. Basically "Indoctrination Theory" is a fan
creation, based off our interpretation of "The Shepard Indoctrination
Plotline" they share the same facts and the same idea, only one is a
guess and the other is a surety. If that makes sense.



Basically
it's the "Vader did kill your father, from a certain point of veiw"
thing. Bioware can't confirm IT, since IT was made by us, but they can
confirm Shepard's Indoctrination. This is our theory, and our concept
can be proven correct, or Jossed.

[/quote]

oh yea I saw that too. 

[LazyTechGuy]

paxxton wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Watching the IT Documentary, Pt. II reignited my hope for IT in tomorrow's EC. I was bummed on Friday, but I have some hope again. Especially seeing how coy Michael Gamble was at that press conference. His little smile and ability to say nothing have to mean something.

Merizan keeps reminding people on Twitter to keep an open mind. I take that to mean don't take everything at face value or assume it's all literal. We'll see tomorrow guys, but I'm ready.

And consider how he speaks during that speech (he repeats the word prescriptive even though he clearly wants to say more).

He definitely went in there with his prepared line of 'prescriptive'.  When he lost his place, he started at the beginning and repeated it again.  So he went in there knowing the carefully planned out line he was going to say so that he wouldn't say anything more. 


@MaximizedAction, yeah.  I hate that whole "Hey, we saw an oppurtunity to make the ending even better" BS.  Although, from our perspective, it looks like the EC was a response to backlash.  But maybe .... JUUUUST maybe, it was planned ahead of time and the quote actually means something good.  They saw a way to make IT good, so they'd release the game as is and then the EC later to make it even better.  I hate trusting Casey and Mac though.  

Modifié par LazyTechGuy, 25 juin 2012 - 02:04 .

[nightcobra]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Watching the IT Documentary, Pt. II reignited my hope for IT in tomorrow's EC. I was bummed on Friday, but I have some hope again. Especially seeing how coy Michael Gamble was at that press conference. His little smile and ability to say nothing have to mean something.

Merizan keeps reminding people on Twitter to keep an open mind. I take that to mean don't take everything at face value or assume it's all literal. We'll see tomorrow guys, but I'm ready.

And consider how he speaks during that speech (he repeats the word prescriptive even though he clearly wants to say more).

He definitely went in there with his prepared line of 'prescriptive'.  When he lost his place, he started at the beginning and repeated it again.  So he went in there knowing the carefully planned out line he was going to say so that he wouldn't say anything more. 


@MaximizedAction, yeah.  I hate that whole "Hey, we saw an oppurtunity to make the ending even better" BS.  Although, from our perspective, it looks like the EC was a response to backlash.  But maybe .... JUUUUST maybe, it was planned ahead of time and the quote actually means something good.  They saw a way to make IT good, so they'd release the game as is and then the EC later to make it even better.  I hate trusting Casey and Mac though.  

at least patrick weekes is involved in the EC, better him than the other two.
in weekes we trust...for now:innocent: