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[MaximizedAction]

Uncle Jo wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...


Can you dig out the comment? I'd be interested.

Here you go...


FellishBeast wrote...

"Hey guys...just a random thought, but I think we need realize that IT is something that the fans came up with.
If BW is planning a mind-blowing, it is almost certainly not IT. It would be BW's own thing (probably better than IT! . So when we ask about IT, while it may be on the right track, they aren't going to confirm it, because it is a fan-made creation. We need to ask the right questions. Ask about if everything is as it seems, rather than if IT is
true, because while I think it's our closest guess, it will not be exactly what happens. Even if Shepard is fighting indoctrination.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say?"


Arian Dynas wrote...
"I get what he means. Basically "Indoctrination Theory" is a fan creation, based off our interpretation of "The Shepard Indoctrination Plotline" they share the same facts and the same idea, only one is a guess and the other is a surety. If that makes sense.

Basically it's the "Vader did kill your father, from a certain point of veiw" thing. Bioware can't confirm IT, since IT was made by us, but they can confirm Shepard's Indoctrination. This is our theory, and our concept can be proven correct, or Jossed."

Now that is what I call an awesome comment.

And I agree that it's a rather troll-free day. Everyone's probably getting their saves ready.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 juin 2012 - 02:07 .

[paxxton]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Watching the IT Documentary, Pt. II reignited my hope for IT in tomorrow's EC. I was bummed on Friday, but I have some hope again. Especially seeing how coy Michael Gamble was at that press conference. His little smile and ability to say nothing have to mean something.

Merizan keeps reminding people on Twitter to keep an open mind. I take that to mean don't take everything at face value or assume it's all literal. We'll see tomorrow guys, but I'm ready.

And consider how he speaks during that speech (he repeats the word prescriptive even though he clearly wants to say more).

He definitely went in there with his prepared line of 'prescriptive'.  When he lost his place, he started at the beginning and repeated it again.  So he went in there knowing the carefully planned out line he was going to say so that he wouldn't say anything more. 


@MaximizedAction, yeah.  I hate that whole "Hey, we saw an oppurtunity to make the ending even better" BS.  Although, from our perspective, it looks like the EC was a response to backlash.  But maybe .... JUUUUST maybe, it was planned ahead of time and the quote actually means something good.  They saw a way to make IT good, so they'd release the game as is and then the EC later to make it even better.  I hate trusting Casey and Mac though.  

Exactly what I got from his speech. An in-advance prepared answer.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 02:08 .

[Andromidius]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Also the fact that Anderson supposively looks at the camera when saying "You're indoctrinated".

While this may be true - I honestly think this was just a coincidence - and has nothing to do with IT

I think it has merit, but its not the strongest point by a long shot.

Some of the things that were tossed aside, however...  I think they needed more.

[Humakt83]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

It is actually an old idea in this thread, but what exactly the Crucible then is the big question.

Reaper trap is the most common, but that brings about its own problems.

Without the Crucible or some other outside force leveling the playing field, we have allready lost at Earth and by extension the war.

Only if you consider conventional victory impossible.

[Rifneno]

v0rt3x22

So here's my theory: The crucible is a lie.

A fabrication of no other than - The Reapers.

Yeah we've mostly been of that train of thought for a few months. The Crucible is just too wrong in too many ways. The most telling (IMO) is that the Reapers clean up so thoroughly that every cycle is taken by surprise. Nobody even manages to leave a scrawled warning. Language barriers aren't that bad, somebody could just draw a series of pictures showing the Citadel as a trap. No, the Reapers are extremely thorough in their cleanup. "It's like someone came along after the Protheans were gone and cleansed the galaxy of clues." - Liara in ME1. Yet over and over, millions of years, countless cycles, they keep screwing up and leaving behind blueprints for a weapon that could destroy them? No ****ing way. That's absurd.

Oh, and species keep finding the blueprints right at the invasion apparently? Okay true we only have ours and the Protheans' to go by, but both times it seems like it was found at the invasion. If the Protheans had it before the Reapers invaded, why didn't they build it? Javik said they didn't have time to finish it, so clearly they only started well into the war. That vision Shepard gets in ME1 of the "Protheans" studying a Cro Magnan describes a vessel eerily similar to an Oculus - a Reaper vessel, not a Prothean one. Which implies that base on Mars may have started as a Prothean one, but it also might've ended up as a Collector one before it was truly abandoned.

Or there's the fact that the Reapers don't seem to care about the Crucible. If you're a complete tool and you murder the rachni queen in ME1 but let the puppet clone go in ME3, she and her brethren are indoctrinated. They betray you and murder some scientists working on the Crucible. Indoctrinated workers were literally on the Crucible, meaning there's no way the Reapers don't know about it and very likely exactly where it is. But they don't do a thing. They're wasting times with little colony worlds but they don't go break the Crucible. What's that tell you?

And I know this part doesn't mean nearly as much as it used to, but the writers did initially tell us that there'd be no Deus Ex Machina device with a Reaper shut down button. Which is exactly what the Crucible is if it's not a Reaper trap. Speaking of which, if we all noticed all of this, why didn't the characters? Why doesn't even one character voice concern that the notion of the Crucible successfully getting passed down from one cycle to the next without express written permission from both Major League Baseball and the Reapers is preposterous? If it was legit, they should've done exactly that and found some way to assure us that it is legit. Because this thing smells fishier than that asari who refuses to bathe.

[Rifneno]

Humakt83 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

It is actually an old idea in this thread, but what exactly the Crucible then is the big question.

Reaper trap is the most common, but that brings about its own problems.

Without the Crucible or some other outside force leveling the playing field, we have allready lost at Earth and by extension the war.

Only if you consider conventional victory impossible.

Which you do if you have any idea the staggering difference in military power.

[paxxton]

I know why you have a sheep as your avatar.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 02:39 .

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

paxxton wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Watching the IT Documentary, Pt. II reignited my hope for IT in tomorrow's EC. I was bummed on Friday, but I have some hope again. Especially seeing how coy Michael Gamble was at that press conference. His little smile and ability to say nothing have to mean something.

Merizan keeps reminding people on Twitter to keep an open mind. I take that to mean don't take everything at face value or assume it's all literal. We'll see tomorrow guys, but I'm ready.

And consider how he speaks during that speech (he repeats the word prescriptive even though he clearly wants to say more).

He definitely went in there with his prepared line of 'prescriptive'.  When he lost his place, he started at the beginning and repeated it again.  So he went in there knowing the carefully planned out line he was going to say so that he wouldn't say anything more. 


@MaximizedAction, yeah.  I hate that whole "Hey, we saw an oppurtunity to make the ending even better" BS.  Although, from our perspective, it looks like the EC was a response to backlash.  But maybe .... JUUUUST maybe, it was planned ahead of time and the quote actually means something good.  They saw a way to make IT good, so they'd release the game as is and then the EC later to make it even better.  I hate trusting Casey and Mac though.  

Exactly what I got from his speech. A in-advance prepared answer.

Man, I remember that live PAX thread that was so FTL, it made the Kessel Run 10 times as fast as the Falcon. People's reaction when that IT line fell...

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 juin 2012 - 02:11 .

[Salient Archer]

Alright boys and girls; I'm just checking-in to say that I'm officially signing-out. With the EC about to be nocking on our doors I've decided to go dark until I've had a chance to experience it without any preconceptions. I will be back, either to celebrate or join in on some group therapy but either way I just want you all to know that I think everyone that's contributed to this thread is amazing. Regardless of how you feel about your roll in the IDT, great or small, just remember: I'm Salient Archer and this is my favorite thread on the internet.

Modifié par Salient Archer, 25 juin 2012 - 02:11 .

[LazyTechGuy]

I can't do MP today or tonight so I'm hitting the iPhone datapad app to get the readiness back up. Didn't realize I dropped to around 70%.

Taboo-XX (not a big fan) did have one thing right. The EMS "fix" that's stickied to this forum and coming out tomorrow with the EC means they want everyone to have the full array of endings at their disposal. They want the best ending expanded on and seen by more. Gonna be interesting to see HOW Shepard survives.


EDIT:  Archer, see you on the other side mate.

Modifié par LazyTechGuy, 25 juin 2012 - 02:12 .

[dreamgazer]

Uncle Jo wrote...

It reminds of a post from someone yesterday, who said that the IT was intended but might be shown in a different way that we have imagined/interpretated it. I found it very interesting.

That's where my mind-set has been for quite a while now. I still feel the devices are there to be interpreted in this fashion, and that they were intended by BioWare, but I've done so under the assumption that the extended cut wasn't coming---or that it wouldn't point-blank offer answers or payoff.  That's why I've always emphasized the importance of looking at what's purely on the surface and observable from a top-down story perspective.

I still firmly believe they wanted to create a debated mystery that offered a different way of looking at the story's ending, just like Blade Runner, Brazil, Minority Report ... and so on and so forth.  What people don't understand is that you can have the intention for something like that within a flawed narrative; people can have both good and bad ideas and render them both together.  I've experienced enough narratives in my time to see bad productions with one or two really strong ideas, and really strong narratives with one or two bad ideas.  Looking at fiction so black and white is a mistake. 

I think there are purposefully-implemented elements in the narrative proper that I believe BioWare specifically molded to be interpreted as indoctrination symptoms, and that there are very intentionally surreal components throughout the ending that "make sense" through literal, dream-like, and indoctrination lenses. My stance on that will not change unless they dismiss it in the extended cut, in that it remains a "valid" outlook that the creators very well may have intended when banging out the script. And if they do what I think they're likely going to do, it'll remain as such.  

I've mostly stayed away from the theory aspects, mostly the digital data and the projection of what comes next, but I've always been a curious, skeptical supporter due to the interpretation aspect of it.  If they disprove it in an elegant way through the EC, good for them! If they suggest it harder, awesome.  Mass Effect 3 will always harbor flaws, but it'll also contain some strong storytelling and analytical elements.  That is, unless they take some White-Out to it and change the way everything looks tomorrow.  

[Rifneno]

paxxton wrote...

I know why you have a sheep as your avatar.

Are you talking to me?  Holy Christ.  First, get glasses.  Powerful ones.  Like, telescopes that have earpieces.  Then google "honey badger."

[MaximizedAction]

Salient Archer wrote...

Alright boys and girls; I'm just checking-in to say that I'm officially signing-out. With the EC about to be nocking on our doors I've decided to go dark until I've had a chance to experience it without any preconceptions. I will be back, either to celebrate or join in on some group therapy but either way I just want you all to know that I think everyone that's contributed to this thread is amazing. Regardless of how you feel about your roll in the IDT, great or small, just remember: I'm Salient Archer and this is my favorite thread on the internet.

Same here, gonna be away from the BSN until I witnessed it myself. But this day is not today!

[llbountyhunter]

Didn't weekes say EC wasn't a response, but a planned thing?

[umadcommander]

well i think its about time i came off the forums now (EMS at 60%) but i'll be back tomorrow to see what everyone here thinks, will be interesting to say the least

[Rifneno]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Didn't weekes say EC wasn't a response, but a planned thing?

They've said both.  One moment it was part of their "what we have in store" comment, the next it was a response to out nerdrage.  Which is why I have so much trouble taking their word as gospel now about what'll be in it.

[paxxton]

Rifneno wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I know why you have a sheep as your avatar.

Are you talking to me?  Holy Christ.  First, get glasses.  Powerful ones.  Like, telescopes that have earpieces.  Then google "honey badger."

LOL. You're right about the honey badger. I thought it was a kind of sheep with a black face as your avatar. Isn't Rifneno a name of a sheep in some movie because that's what misled me?

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 02:35 .

[LazyTechGuy]

dreamgazer, so it essence the EC is their second chance to do what they tried to do the first time around: get the narrative right for their ending to be properly speculated.

[Jadebaby]

Can someone please direct me to a picture of the tree shadow on the citadel?

[Dwailing]

Well, it's officially the calm before the storm. Tomorrow will make or break us all. And all I can say is, my body... is ready. So, anything I need to know before I head in tomorrow?

[Humakt83]

Salient Archer wrote...

Alright boys and girls; I'm just checking-in to say that I'm officially signing-out. With the EC about to be nocking on our doors I've decided to go dark until I've had a chance to experience it without any preconceptions. I will be back, either to celebrate or join in on some group therapy but either way I just want you all to know that I think everyone that's contributed to this thread is amazing. Regardless of how you feel about your roll in the IDT, great or small, just remember: I'm Salient Archer and this is my favorite thread on the internet.

This is IT, isn't it?

[Uncle Jo]

Rifneno wrote...

*snip*

Oh, and species keep finding the blueprints right at the invasion apparently? Okay true we only have ours and the Protheans' to go by, but both times it seems like it was found at the invasion. If the Protheans had it before the Reapers invaded, why didn't they build it? Javik said they didn't have time to finish it, so clearly they only started well into the war. That vision Shepard gets in ME1 of the "Protheans" studying a Cro Magnan describes a vessel eerily similar to an Oculus - a Reaper vessel, not a Prothean one. Which implies that base on Mars may have started as a Prothean one, but it also might've ended up as a Collector one before it was truly abandoned.

*snip*

Javik said that the war against the Reapers lasted for centuries... Yet they still didn't have time to build the Crucible ? So when did they discover the blueprints ? Also in a convenient moment (for the Reapers)

[MegumiAzusa]

Uh wow, I just started to replay ME1 again and when you first describe the dream/vision/nightmare (the choices you have to answer Chakwas) you hear voices in the background just like the strange voices in the dreams in ME3, the ones where you can make out some of it.

[v0rt3x22]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uh wow, I just started to replay ME1 again and when you first describe the dream/vision/nightmare (the choices you have to answer Chakwas) you hear voices in the background just like the strange voices in the dreams in ME3, the ones where you can make out some of it.

[Jadebaby]

Rifneno wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Didn't weekes say EC wasn't a response, but a planned thing?

They've said both.  One moment it was part of their "what we have in store" comment, the next it was a response to out nerdrage.  Which is why I have so much trouble taking their word as gospel now about what'll be in it.

Why can't it be both?

Leave it open-ended with a hidden message. Then collect fan feedback and incorporate that into a more elaborated version of your speculative ending.