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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Uncle Jo

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HellishFiend wrote...

How goes it everyone?

Me? I'm just stopping by, killing time while waiting for some innominate background task to complete....

Saw your vid about infrasounds on youtube..awesome! When will be the second ready?

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Humakt83 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uh wow, I just started to replay ME1 again and when you first describe the dream/vision/nightmare (the choices you have to answer Chakwas) you hear voices in the background just like the strange voices in the dreams in ME3, the ones where you can make out some of it.


So all this was planned from the start then?

Wasn't there a theory that Prothean Beacon on Eden Prime was corrupted by Reapers?

I would say yes, it was planned from the start. I mean in the first mission you get info dumped with so much of what's going on with indoctrination but you can't make it out because you don't know the context of this info dump.

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Uncle Jo wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...


Now that is what I call an awesome comment.

And I agree that it's a rather troll-free day. Everyone's probably getting their saves ready.


The trolls are still there waiting in the darkness...

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lol this SO captures the mood on these forums over the next 24 hours. You should make a motivational and put it in the motiv/de-motive thread, to keep it up to date and everything. Plus it needs a bump I reckon, if EC goes south then we need some funny threads floating around.Posted Image

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Uncle Jo wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

How goes it everyone?

Me? I'm just stopping by, killing time while waiting for some innominate background task to complete....

Saw your vid about infrasounds on youtube..awesome! When will be the second ready?


"Soon"  :P

In all seriousness though, likely within the next hour. But definitely no more than 2. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

How goes it everyone?

Me? I'm just stopping by, killing time while waiting for some innominate background task to complete....

Hi! When is the video due?

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MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uh wow, I just started to replay ME1 again and when you first describe the dream/vision/nightmare (the choices you have to answer Chakwas) you hear voices in the background just like the strange voices in the dreams in ME3, the ones where you can make out some of it.


So all this was planned from the start then?

Wasn't there a theory that Prothean Beacon on Eden Prime was corrupted by Reapers?


There is! And I wouldn't see it as far fetched if most Prothean beacons were corrupted by the Reapers. And why shouldn't they? It's a nice method to find the most promising race for future Reapers.

Another thing is, which was always bothering me:
The images you see are mostly organic material with implants, no pure synthetic/organic stuff.

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I'm right there with you dreamgazer. 1.9 gigs for 10 mins per playthrough sounds like they cover some expansive differences.

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Macgummi wrote...

Hey guys, since the EC comes out tomorrow and I guess to me these are the final hours in this thread, I wanted to compliment all of you.
I´m a long-time lurker and threw some ideas in here and there but compared to what you found out it´s ridciulous. I didn´t agree with a lot of speculations, thought some things only have been overanalyzing etc...But overall I think you can be very proud of yourselves for not being cynical, full of hate and that you believed in something. The IT showed me once again how awesome the fan-base of ME is, these 2 threads probably spared me a lot of depressions.

So now all I can do is thank you for pure awesomness! (especially lexor :D)


Yeah, I've lurked for a while too.  Only recently started getting in on the discussion.  Gonna miss this place and the users when it's all said and done.  Wish I would've started sooner.

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Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uh wow, I just started to replay ME1 again and when you first describe the dream/vision/nightmare (the choices you have to answer Chakwas) you hear voices in the background just like the strange voices in the dreams in ME3, the ones where you can make out some of it.


Son of a shisno you're right!  That's pretty freaky.  Maybe the beacon was "tainted" some how when Saren used it.

Also everyone you talk with on Eden Prime tells you about the sound when Nazara descended. As if coming from your head and not from it, which would support that the Reaper horns in ME3 could also come from inside your head. You get pretty close to it until it ascends again, much closer then what is needed to Nazara affect the colonists as they said they first heard the sounds in their heads and then saw it. Strange strange.


Thinking about it now... Why would Saren and Sovereign have left the beacon intact in the first place? I know they had those bombs planted, did they really expect to foil Shepard with such a dim-witted plan? S/he wasn't a spectre yet, but Saren still knew who you were and that you were serving under Anderson.

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LazyTechGuy wrote...

I'm right there with you dreamgazer. 1.9 gigs for 10 mins per playthrough sounds like they cover some expansive differences.

The whole game is 10 GB. It contains content, executables and dlls. DLC contains only content so 2 GB is much.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 02:50 .


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So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uh wow, I just started to replay ME1 again and when you first describe the dream/vision/nightmare (the choices you have to answer Chakwas) you hear voices in the background just like the strange voices in the dreams in ME3, the ones where you can make out some of it.


Son of a shisno you're right!  That's pretty freaky.  Maybe the beacon was "tainted" some how when Saren used it.

Also everyone you talk with on Eden Prime tells you about the sound when Nazara descended. As if coming from your head and not from it, which would support that the Reaper horns in ME3 could also come from inside your head. You get pretty close to it until it ascends again, much closer then what is needed to Nazara affect the colonists as they said they first heard the sounds in their heads and then saw it. Strange strange.

Yes, I played that part not so much time ago and everyone had been complaining about reapers sounds but you couldnt hear it... Until ME3, and in a very clear way.

I have always thought that the crucible was in all the cycles, as a Trojan horse, but nobody could build it because they were defeated before it. Shepard is the only one who proves his value so for that, the reapers are interested in him.

Modifié par Lat2oo5, 25 juin 2012 - 02:49 .


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v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?

I cried when the Shepard killed the Reaper on Rannoch. Bastard (about the Shepard)! Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 02:49 .


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Jade8aby88 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uh wow, I just started to replay ME1 again and when you first describe the dream/vision/nightmare (the choices you have to answer Chakwas) you hear voices in the background just like the strange voices in the dreams in ME3, the ones where you can make out some of it.


Son of a shisno you're right!  That's pretty freaky.  Maybe the beacon was "tainted" some how when Saren used it.

Also everyone you talk with on Eden Prime tells you about the sound when Nazara descended. As if coming from your head and not from it, which would support that the Reaper horns in ME3 could also come from inside your head. You get pretty close to it until it ascends again, much closer then what is needed to Nazara affect the colonists as they said they first heard the sounds in their heads and then saw it. Strange strange.


Thinking about it now... Why would Saren and Sovereign have left the beacon intact in the first place? I know they had those bombs planted, did they really expect to foil Shepard with such a dim-witted plan? S/he wasn't a spectre yet, but Saren still knew who you were and that you were serving under Anderson.

No Saren only gets to know in the time you were knocked out as established by Benezia.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...


lol this SO captures the mood on these forums over the next 24 hours. You should make a motivational and put it in the motiv/de-motive thread, to keep it up to date and everything. Plus it needs a bump I reckon, if EC goes south then we need some funny threads floating around.Posted Image

I will need the help of Lex0r for this :lol: ! I don't know if he showed up recently... I'll send him a PM with the link of the pic.
But true, it's gonna be a hell of s**t storm after Tuesday if something goes wrong with the EC and the trolls will show us no mercy... So get ready!

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

That'd be a cool twist if IT was true, and it's Shepard that is the true catalyst. But then I can't see her/him surviving in any ending lol I take that back.. That would suck.Posted Image


They placed clear emphasis on the beacon images here and there in the third game.  It certainly wouldn't have been unreasonable, and, no matter what, I think that Shepard having that strong mental constitution we've seen from the beginning plats an important part in making sense of what we're seeing.

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Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:


Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 juin 2012 - 02:51 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:


Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.


I saw a vid on YouTube about someone who was saying that Synthesis is the only true ending.

I don't believe it though.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?


I don't cry.  Not a tough guy thing, but I don't express feelings well.  I feel them, but don't express them.  Don't cry at funerals either.  That said, I got a little teary when hanging out with Garrus on the Presidium.  It's funny because I was trying to lock up Ashley as a LI, it was 1:30 AM, I had to go to bed, so I was going to quickly run to the commons area and talk with her.  Garrus stops me on the way and invites me somewhere and I'm like, "Well .... daamn, okay."  It was like being at one of those places where you're counting down the minutes on when you can leave.  But as it progressed, it was such a cool moment.  In a game where I figured I was going to die (I thought Shepard was the Catalyst with all his beacon input) I viewed it as the last real scene with my best friend who always trusted me.

Modifié par LazyTechGuy, 25 juin 2012 - 02:55 .


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v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?


I didn't get pushed that far, but I did get hit with three emotional gut twists: Mordin's ascent to the tower to cure the genophage (not him singing, just him gaining his composure as he went up after saying "Had to be me".); Legion and Tali's conversation right before he reassimilated and peace was brokered between the quarians and the geth; and the later, deeper "evolution" of EDI's character from an AI to a freer-thinking being.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 25 juin 2012 - 02:54 .


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MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:


Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.

Collectors are there too in ME1 !!! And the location of their base (at the end when the center of Milky Way is shown).

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:


Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.


I saw a vid on YouTube about someone who was saying that Synthesis is the only true ending.

I don't believe it though.


i don't believe mostly for one thing:

the one who is proposing the synthesis plan to us is also the one controlling the reapers...yeah, not gonna trust this guy.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?


Yes. I cried when Thane died. He isnt even my favorite character or anything. I like Legion and Mordin much more, but I didnt cry at their deaths. Probably because they didnt go out slowly dying from a disease in a hospital bed.

If Thane had simply died when Kai Leng stabbed him, I dont think I'd have cried.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Indeed. It ain't so black and white.

I'm hoping that the EC will serve a purpose similar to that device at the eye doctor, the one with the rotating lenses: it could bring the things you're seeing, and interpreting, more clearly in focus, while adding some closure to the whole she-bang that'll be more palatable and satisfying on the surface. And that'll hopefully work for everybody.


It won't. Many of us have already said that if EC doesn't outright confirm or kill IT, we're out of here and/or done with BW. Frankly I don't understand how more ambiguous crap can work for anyone, let alone everyone.

If you guys want to stay and tell the literalists "yeah, I know we said they'd have a DLC eventually to confirm IT and give us the real ending, and EC sure seemed like it'd be it, but it was just a fake and the real one will come soon I'm sure," then more power to you. Personally, I think I'll keep my self-respect.

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Thinking about it now... Why would Saren and Sovereign have left the beacon intact in the first place? I know they had those bombs planted, did they really expect to foil Shepard with such a dim-witted plan? S/he wasn't a spectre yet, but Saren still knew who you were and that you were serving under Anderson.


Do you remember how Saren just completely raged out when he found out Shepard saved the colony from those bombs? Saren definitely didn't expect Shepard to pull it off. Sovereign? Maybe... but I doubt it to be honest. If Sovereign knew Shepard's potential he would have tried to use him instead of Saren back then. Sovereign didn't seem to think Shepard was important since he never spouted any of the now typical Reaper "yo dawg, we synthetics are killing you so you don't get killed by synthetics" nonsense. If the Destroyer on Rannoch would try to feed Shepard that drivel, why not Sovereign?

v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?


Mordin's death. Best death I've ever seen a character get. Only time I've seen a character I love get killed and yet not want to save them because it was all so perfect. Thane's had me choked up but no waterworks. Legion's should have, he was my favorite character, but it was forgotten about 3 seconds later. They didn't properly dwell on it to let you take it all in.