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[paxxton]

dreamgazer wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?

I didn't get pushed that far, but I did get hit with three emotional gut twists: Mordin's ascent to the tower to cure the genophage (not him singing, just him gaining his composure as he went up after saying "Had to be me".); Legion and Tali's conversation right before he reassimilated and peace was brokered between the quarians and the geth; and the later, deeper "evolution" of EDI's character from an AI to a freer-thinking being.

On Rannoch I lost everyone.  I just asked myself like Vega - would I be a good candidate for the N7 program? I was teary (not crying ) when Liara brought the beacon to Shepard's cabin. Yeah, that was a really emotional moment because of the music too.

Oh, and I almost cried when I saw Shepard being burnt by electricity in Control.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 03:15 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Another thing, but that's just interesting and probably not relevant at all: in the story relevant DLC of ME1 (bring down the sky) you prevent Batarians to throw an asteroid onto a Human colony. In ME2 (arrival) you throw an asteroid on the relay and therefor blow up a Batarian colony. Sounds a bit ironic.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:

Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.

Collectors are there too in ME1 !!! And the location of their base (at the end when the center of Milky Way is shown).

First off: The second video is clearly edited. I've beaten ME1 30+ times, and the vision is not skippable, so believe me, I know for a fact there are no Collectors in the ME1 vision.

Second off: I never saw anything showing the location of their base. The scene in space zooming outwards to show planets is showing Ilos.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:

Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.

Collectors are there too in ME1 !!! And the location of their base (at the end when the center of Milky Way is shown).

No, the collector part is from ME2, he also stated that in the description of the video.

[Rifneno]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Another thing, but that's just interesting and probably not relevant at all: in the story relevant DLC of ME1 (bring down the sky) you prevent Batarians to throw an asteroid onto a Human colony. In ME2 (arrival) you throw an asteroid on the relay and therefor blow up a Batarian colony. Sounds a bit ironic.

"Shepard, you have to do something truly terrible to slow the Reapers.  Or else all is lost."
"I don't like the sound of this..."
"You have to blow up a relay and kill hundreds of thousands of batarians."
"Okay, so far so good, what's the terrible part?"

I was disappointed I didn't get a dialogue option to troll Balak with that.  "You should've killed me on that asteroid over Terra Nova."  "I wanted to show you how it's done.  Remember Aratoht? *trollface*"

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:

Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.

Collectors are there too in ME1 !!! And the location of their base (at the end when the center of Milky Way is shown).

First off: The second video is clearly edited. I've beaten ME1 30+ times, and the vision is not skippable, so believe me, I know for a fact there are no Collectors in the ME1 vision.

Second off: I never saw anything showing the location of their base. The scene in space zooming outwards to show planets is showing Ilos.

And this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWR3x3ctboY&t=11s

[dreamgazer]

Rifneno wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Indeed. It ain't so black and white.

I'm hoping that the EC will serve a purpose similar to that device at the eye doctor, the one with the rotating lenses: it could bring the things you're seeing, and interpreting, more clearly in focus, while adding some closure to the whole she-bang that'll be more palatable and satisfying on the surface. And that'll hopefully work for everybody.

It won't. Many of us have already said that if EC doesn't outright confirm or kill IT, we're out of here and/or done with BW. Frankly I don't understand how more ambiguous crap can work for anyone, let alone everyone.

If you guys want to stay and tell the literalists "yeah, I know we said they'd have a DLC eventually to confirm IT and give us the real ending, and EC sure seemed like it'd be it, but it was just a fake and the real one will come soon I'm sure," then more power to you. Personally, I think I'll keep my self-respect.

I'll have plenty of self-respect in retaining an interpretation of the story proper, which is where my perspective has always come from: evaluating the raw data and seeing if it's a feasible narrative outlook.

It's a shame that looking at a piece of fiction has turned simply into, "I'm right, and you're wrong".  It's that mentality that created the "cultist" accusations. But, c'est la vie.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Another thing, but that's just interesting and probably not relevant at all: in the story relevant DLC of ME1 (bring down the sky) you prevent Batarians to throw an asteroid onto a Human colony. In ME2 (arrival) you throw an asteroid on the relay and therefor blow up a Batarian colony. Sounds a bit ironic.

Lol, Bad Luck Batarians.

[Jadebaby]

Just playing through the game again, I don't know whether it's because of my prejudice against him or not, but that kid at the start is creeeeeepy. Not in general, just that scene in the vent duct. Very strange.
People say that IT is too intricate of a theory, but this game is all about subtlety, from finding the Hamster running around in Jack's hidey-hole to what happened with Joker's sister. A lot of proof of the things that happen in this game have to be analyzed, that can only ever support the IT.
But really, "you can't help me..."
Was that always that creepy? Then the reaper wails afterwards that sound all distorted.
Also in the 1st dream, I ran around looking at benches for a while, and in the sound I noticed an increasing ringing noise, it got to the point where I actually flinched away from it and turned down the volume beause I use a headset in was like right in my ear lol then, to top it off, the game somehow automatically put me infront of the kid when I ran too far out of the area. =/
Also worth noting that this picture...




Reminds me a lot of.....

https://encrypted-tb...-vT6T2OjNq1PAag

This could be a sign that the Reapers used the child (due to Shepard witnessing his death on Earth) to embed into Shepad's nervous system. And then the dreams represent the reaper influence (child) going from his nerve endings (the presence of trees), into his brain (the ground the trees are connected too and which the child plays on). Then your avatar Shepard that you control, obviously represents the subconscious part of Shepard that realizes something wrong is happening in a section of his/her brain and tries to discover the source. You never find out though because each time your subconsicous tries to warn you it is absorbed when the child is covered with flames, therefore becoming apart of the reaper influence. This would also give meaning to the final dream where Shepard sees an image of him/herself burning with the child.

OR... I've just gone completely crazy waiting for the EC to come out... lol

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:

Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.

Collectors are there too in ME1 !!! And the location of their base (at the end when the center of Milky Way is shown).

First off: The second video is clearly edited. I've beaten ME1 30+ times, and the vision is not skippable, so believe me, I know for a fact there are no Collectors in the ME1 vision.

Second off: I never saw anything showing the location of their base. The scene in space zooming outwards to show planets is showing Ilos.

And this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWR3x3ctboY&t=11s

I have made the part of my previous post that you clearly missed stand out more.

[Rifneno]

Why's everyone assuming that biomechanical crap in the Prothean vision is about synthesis? I noticed it a couple years ago in my first playthrough after ME2. I got a good chuckle out of the fact they were telling us that Reapers are made with people smoothies 15 minutes into ME1. I'm still pretty sure that's all it meant.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:

Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.

Collectors are there too in ME1 !!! And the location of their base (at the end when the center of Milky Way is shown).

No, the collector part is from ME2, he also stated that in the description of the video.

I remember that Collector but I can't remember when it shows up in ME2.

[Andromidius]

Jade8aby88 wrote...
Thinking about it now... Why would Saren and Sovereign have left the beacon intact in the first place? I know they had those bombs planted, did they really expect to foil Shepard with such a dim-witted plan? S/he wasn't a spectre yet, but Saren still knew who you were and that you were serving under Anderson.

Wouldn't explain his burst of anger when he finds out it was used, though.

More likely it was just added to their plans once they realised Shepard was a thorn in their side.  The idea that the Beacon was tainted (maybe because of Saren/Sovereign's use of it beforehand) is very good though.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

No, the collector part is from ME2, he also stated that in the description of the video.

I remember that Collector but I can't remember when it shows up in ME2.

N7: Archaeological Dig Site

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?

Yes. I cried when Thane died. He isnt even my favorite character or anything. I like Legion and Mordin much more, but I didnt cry at their deaths. Probably because they didnt go out slowly dying from a disease in a hospital bed.

If Thane had simply died when Kai Leng stabbed him, I dont think I'd have cried.

I didn't cry at that point, but I felt it.

I almost cried when Mordin died, though he died for a good cause and as a hero.  That was certainly bittersweet.

I barely even blinked when Miranda died.  Which was very cold of me.

[Humakt83]

Rifneno wrote...

It won't. Many of us have already said that if EC doesn't outright confirm or kill IT, we're out of here and/or done with BW. Frankly I don't understand how more ambiguous crap can work for anyone, let alone everyone.

If you guys want to stay and tell the literalists "yeah, I know we said they'd have a DLC eventually to confirm IT and give us the real ending, and EC sure seemed like it'd be it, but it was just a fake and the real one will come soon I'm sure," then more power to you. Personally, I think I'll keep my self-respect.

I think all the heated discussion will die rather abruptly, if  IT is either confirmed or denied. What it all comes to is the execution of DLC. What you think happens when they confirm IT in it but EC is crap?

Modifié par Humakt83, 25 juin 2012 - 03:16 .

[MaximizedAction]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Just playing through the game again, I
don't know whether it's because of my prejudice against him or not, but
that kid at the start is creeeeeepy. Not in general, just that scene in
the vent duct. Very strange.
People say that IT is too intricate of a
theory, but this game is all about subtlety, from finding the Hamster
running around in Jack's hidey-hole to what happened with Joker's
sister. A lot of proof of the things that happen in this game have to be
analyzed, that can only ever support the IT.
But really, "you can't help me..."
Was that always that creepy? Then the reaper wails afterwards that sound all distorted.
Also
in the 1st dream, I ran around looking at benches for a while, and in
the sound I noticed an increasing ringing noise, it got to the point
where I actually flinched away from it and turned down the volume beause
I use a headset in was like right in my ear lol then, to top it off,
the game somehow automatically put me infront of the kid when I ran too
far out of the area. =/
Also worth noting that this picture...




Reminds me a lot of.....

https://encrypted-tb...-vT6T2OjNq1PAag

This
could be a sign that the Reapers used the child (due to Shepard
witnessing his death on Earth) to embed into Shepad's nervous system.
And then the dreams represent the reaper influence (child) going from
his nerve endings (the presence of trees), into his brain (the ground
the trees are connected too and which the child plays on). Then your
avatar Shepard that you control, obviously represents the subconscious
part of Shepard that realizes something wrong is happening in a section
of his/her brain and tries to discover the source. You never find out
though because each time your subconsicous tries to warn you it
is absorbed when the child is covered with flames, therefore becoming
apart of the reaper influence. This would also give meaning to the final
dream where Shepard sees an image of him/herself burning with the
child.

OR... I've just gone completely crazy waiting for the EC to come out... lol

There was a thread (if I remember correctly back in March) where the OP was a medical student and also brought up that those trees reminded him of neuron networks in the brain.

So you're not alone there.

Furthermore, if you look at the background trees in the dreams, they seem to have a constant pulsation frequency...almost like a heartbeat.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 25 juin 2012 - 03:15 .

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:

Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.

Collectors are there too in ME1 !!! And the location of their base (at the end when the center of Milky Way is shown).

No, the collector part is from ME2, he also stated that in the description of the video.

I remember that Collector but I can't remember when it shows up in ME2.

There is a side mission with a small prothean pyramid where you get the vision from ME1 but with the added collector. Also the sound was a bit changed.

[byne]

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?

Yes. I cried when Thane died. He isnt even my favorite character or anything. I like Legion and Mordin much more, but I didnt cry at their deaths. Probably because they didnt go out slowly dying from a disease in a hospital bed.

If Thane had simply died when Kai Leng stabbed him, I dont think I'd have cried.

I didn't cry at that point, but I felt it.

I almost cried when Mordin died, though he died for a good cause and as a hero.  That was certainly bittersweet.

I barely even blinked when Miranda died.  Which was very cold of me.

You let Miri die? You monster! I dont even like her that much, but even I didnt let her die.

[Unschuld]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Vision from Prothean Beacon in slow-motion:


This is the clarified version with Liara:

Holy cow, I never watched this in slow-mo.
Megumi's right, it's organic and electronic parts combined....or Synthesis.

Mind blown.

Didn't notice those bits before? lol

I'm still trying to figure out what electronic bits and parts they used to make it. One object I see is a molex connector with cut wires, can see some circuit boards and another looks sort of like a spark plug. Must have been fun making those scenes, maybe just covering random electronics in cow guts and stuff.

I really hope the EC is epic. I really, REALLY hope that synthesis and control are revealed to be reaper traps since that's been alluded to throughout the series. Otherwise all the foreshadowing will be invalidated, and leave me with an even more "meh" feeling than before. I see all of the announcements and explanations from Bioware being either downplaying the coming content so that we expect less than what we get, or just generally disconcerting. If anything, I'd rather they just disprove indoctrination than leave the ending totally ambiguous AGAIN, with an explanation just as debatable as it currently is.

Come tomorrow morning, I guess I'll find out if holding out for indoc theory was worth the speculation or not.

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Just playing through the game again, I
don't know whether it's because of my prejudice against him or not, but
that kid at the start is creeeeeepy. Not in general, just that scene in
the vent duct. Very strange.
People say that IT is too intricate of a
theory, but this game is all about subtlety, from finding the Hamster
running around in Jack's hidey-hole to what happened with Joker's
sister. A lot of proof of the things that happen in this game have to be
analyzed, that can only ever support the IT.
But really, "you can't help me..."
Was that always that creepy? Then the reaper wails afterwards that sound all distorted.
Also
in the 1st dream, I ran around looking at benches for a while, and in
the sound I noticed an increasing ringing noise, it got to the point
where I actually flinched away from it and turned down the volume beause
I use a headset in was like right in my ear lol then, to top it off,
the game somehow automatically put me infront of the kid when I ran too
far out of the area. =/
Also worth noting that this picture...




Reminds me a lot of.....

https://encrypted-tb...-vT6T2OjNq1PAag

This
could be a sign that the Reapers used the child (due to Shepard
witnessing his death on Earth) to embed into Shepad's nervous system.
And then the dreams represent the reaper influence (child) going from
his nerve endings (the presence of trees), into his brain (the ground
the trees are connected too and which the child plays on). Then your
avatar Shepard that you control, obviously represents the subconscious
part of Shepard that realizes something wrong is happening in a section
of his/her brain and tries to discover the source. You never find out
though because each time your subconsicous tries to warn you it
is absorbed when the child is covered with flames, therefore becoming
apart of the reaper influence. This would also give meaning to the final
dream where Shepard sees an image of him/herself burning with the
child.

OR... I've just gone completely crazy waiting for the EC to come out... lol

There was a thread (if I remember correctly back in March) where the OP was a medical student and also brought up that those trees reminded him of neuron networks in the brain.

So you're not alone there.

Furthermore, if you look at the background trees in the dreams, they seem to have a constant pulsation frequency...almost like a heartbeat.

Yeah, possible. For me they are fractals and that explains the similarities even in RL.

[Unschuld]

byne wrote...

You let Miri die? You monster! I dont even like her that much, but even I didnt let her die.

I "let" her die. Problem?

Guess it was because I was tired of her telling half truths/lies about what she was up to, yet expecting me to be completely explicit. Alliance data access: denied.


I tear up every time in ME1 when the scene for defending the Destiny Ascension plays, never in ME2. In ME3 it's a combo of a few things. Mordin dying, Anderson's last words, and yes, even the dream sequences. It sounds stupid, why the hell would following Harbichild get to me? I dunno, maybe it was the alcohol at the time, but on my second playthrough the disembodied voices reminded me of some of my military buddies who are no longer around. Those dreams suck.

Modifié par Unschuld, 25 juin 2012 - 03:23 .

[byne]

Unschuld wrote...

Come tomorrow morning, I guess I'll find out if holding out for indoc theory was worth the speculation or not.

For me, whether IT is true or not, the speculation will always  have been worth it. 

[dreamgazer]

Andromidius wrote...

byne wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?

Yes. I cried when Thane died. He isnt even my favorite character or anything. I like Legion and Mordin much more, but I didnt cry at their deaths. Probably because they didnt go out slowly dying from a disease in a hospital bed.

If Thane had simply died when Kai Leng stabbed him, I dont think I'd have cried.

I didn't cry at that point, but I felt it.

Oh, I need to add a fourth emotional moment, though it's a little different:  I didn't feel it so much when Thane died, per se, but I did when Kolyat talked about the nature of reading the poem for Shepard instead of Thane. 

I really wanted to take Kolyat along for the ride right after that. 

[Jadebaby]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


lol this SO captures the mood on these forums over the next 24 hours. You should make a motivational and put it in the motiv/de-motive thread, to keep it up to date and everything. Plus it needs a bump I reckon, if EC goes south then we need some funny threads floating around.

I will need the help of Lex0r for this ! I don't know if he showed up recently... I'll send him a PM with the link of the pic.
But true, it's gonna be a hell of s**t storm after Tuesday if something goes wrong with the EC and the trolls will show us no mercy... So get ready!

If you can think you the title and caption I'd be happy to do it for you.